Neumann Films Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 Someone asked what "1.tif" was about and I said I tried to upload a tif file but it wouldn't go through, no hidden meaning! ? I'm not a fan of DNG. Huge messy files that Adobe software STILL cannot handle properly. Give me ProRes or something like what is in the GH5 and I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 So you’re saying the new GH5 will shoot in ProRes... lol. I’m starting to think that the new GH5 will be called the GH5+. It will use the same sensor with a few changes to the body as noted, but the big changes are firmware related. I also think the GH5+ will sell at a higher price point and receive a few bells and whistles more but any current GH5 owners will have access to the FW upgrades via a paid update. PannySVHS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanWright Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 4:56 PM, mercer said: So you’re saying the new GH5 will shoot in ProRes... lol. I’m starting to think that the new GH5 will be called the GH5+. It will use the same sensor with a few changes to the body as noted, but the big changes are firmware related. I also think the GH5+ will sell at a higher price point and receive a few bells and whistles more but any current GH5 owners will have access to the FW upgrades via a paid update. Expand Im leaning towards this also PannySVHS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liszon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 4:54 PM, Neumann Films said: I'm not a fan of DNG. Huge messy files that Adobe software STILL cannot handle properly. Give me ProRes or something like what is in the GH5 and I'm happy. Expand I know, Adobe's support is shite.. For me DNG is about flexibility. I either use Resolve to do a quick white balance and output 12bit DNxHD or get Raw4Pro out of the tool shed and make CineformRaw then quick adjustments in Firstlight metadata before CC but I don't blame anybody who prefers to keep things a bit quicker. Neumann Films 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 5:28 PM, JordanWright said: Im leaning towards this also Expand Yeah the timing of this is too odd to be a completely new camera without an upgrade path for current GH5 owners... especially if the rumored price of $2499 is accurate. A new camera that beats the GH5 for only $500 more, this soon after release, is something Sony would do, and get blasted for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 5:57 PM, mercer said: Yeah the timing of this is too odd to be a completely new camera without an upgrade path for current GH5 owners... especially if the rumored price of $2499 is accurate. A new camera that beats the GH5 for only $500 more, this soon after release, is something Sony would do, and get blasted for doing so. Expand I can’t believe this hasn’t been mentioned anywhere yet, but the exact same thing happened with the GH4. Panasonic announced a GH4R which came with V Log L and a “video centric” firmware update - however your original GH4 could be one an “R” version if you purchased V-Log L and updated the firmware. So here we are again, only this time, the “S” version has red bits on it - to fit the branding of the GH9, DVX-200 and EVA-1. My guess is it’s both a new camera and firmware, like they did with the GH4R. Current GH5 owners pay up to $500 to get the extra features, but no red bits. I’ll take a really crazy guess for some fun on “what” it is. I’m gonna go for some type of RAW recording. The RAW boosts the lowlight and dynamic range. RAW doesn’t require a new sensor, and would really put the GH5 onto another level. Is this why Luke uploaded a tiff? Haha, probs not, but fun to speculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 This is the .tif I was going to upload but in .jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Hmm... I will say that his skin texture doesn’t look like regular GH5 footage... Hmm... However, I don’t think it’s Raw... I think Panny’s cinema division would burst a blood vessel if they did that... So, I think that maybe it will be ProRes. Perhaps Apple and Panny came to a deal since the 400mbps was making FCPX run slow? Was that an issue? Haha, maybe Panasonic is following Canon’s lead and they’re releasing a high bitrate mjpeg codec in the GH5+. They do have a big history using motion jpeg. Whatever it is, it does look nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 What else do you notice about it, what jumps out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 7:07 PM, mercer said: Hmm... I will say that his skin texture doesn’t look like regular GH5 footage... Hmm... However, I don’t think it’s Raw... I think Panny’s cinema division would burst a blood vessel if they did that... So, I think that maybe it will be ProRes. Perhaps Apple and Panny came to a deal since the 400mbps was making FCPX run slow? Was that an issue? Expand Yes. This is what I have been saying. There is, I think, something else to this footage other than an Arri lens. On 12/10/2017 at 7:12 PM, Neumann Films said: What else do you notice about it, what jumps out? Expand To me the skin and detail look stunning. The DOF is also razor thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 7:12 PM, Neumann Films said: What else do you notice about it, what jumps out? Expand Something with the whites? You have two pure whites but they’re showing up as different tones? Is it some kind of 3D exposure... background and foreground exposure is the logical conclusion... ? But I assume you mixed tungsten and daylight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 Nope, Daylight all around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatopardo Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 7:12 PM, Neumann Films said: What else do you notice about it, what jumps out? Expand Horrible color? Neumann Films, Jonesy Jones, TwoScoops and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Okay, so then the GH5+ will have the same sensor but have Dual ISO to get better lowlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 7:34 PM, mercer said: Okay, so then the GH5+ will have the same sensor but have Dual ISO to get better lowlight. Expand Wait. How did you get that from Luke's image? It was a well lit scene. Most of the images he's shared were from well exposed settings. Even the night shots weren't shots that require an ultra lowlight camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 7:16 PM, Jonesy Jones said: The DOF is also razor thin. Expand ++ Its a big ol' sensor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanWright Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Maybe its just a GH5R (not S) with Raw through HDMI and Dual ISO... It still doesn't compete with the EVA-1 because of no internal NDs and its DSLR style body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Because Luke said it was “daylight all around,” so since the white on the t-shirt and the white on the wall are different tones, but evenly exposed, I am guessing the subject is lit from a couple different windows and the new camera/firmware will have some sort of Dual ISO... @Jonesy Jones Just a guess on a boring Sunday afternoon... I could be off base but I think the white on white was a deliberate choice for a specific reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 7:33 PM, gatopardo said: Horrible color? Expand Derriple derler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 7:43 PM, JordanWright said: Maybe its just a GH5R (not S) with Raw through HDMI and Dual ISO... It still doesn't compete with the EVA-1 because of no internal NDs and its DSLR style body? Expand That’s true but I remember hearing murmurings that Panny’s cinema division was a little annoyed with the consumer division because they felt they were scavenging their tech. IronFilm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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