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2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

New video I have not seen, maybe on here, don't know. Looks like ISO 3200 Could be used in a pinch, but damn good color at lower ISO's.

 

Was the entire video shot with a pro mist filter, because all the images look soft and the skin looks kind of airbrushed.

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11 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Was the entire video shot with a pro mist filter, because all the images look soft and the skin looks kind of airbrushed.

If a Pro Mist or similar diffusion filter was used, you'd see blooming and glow on the highlights (which I didn't see). The hair in some shots is over sharp. If the hair is sharp and skin looks soft, either the face is not quite in focus, the camera is doing skin smoothing, or compression is removing skin detail (which can be very subtle compared to hair). I would suggest turning noise reduction off if possible (though might be a challenge for 4K material at these low bitrates). In order to get highlights looking filmic, it's best to shoot in log and make sure highlights don't clip (which they didn't do).

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When I used to shoot 4K with the GH4, hair looked brittle, and since most of my subjects have hair, it was disconcerting. I'm not seeing that so much with the G85. I'm able to get realistic looking skin tones with the G85, but I shoot with noise reduction dialed down to -5. Even the close up of the young woman, where the lens is stopped down to f/4 or so, and we can see the tiny wrinkles around her eyes and her eyelashes are clearly in focus, the details look smoothed over. Excuse me for a moment while I delete another spammer. :) 

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I like skin tones that have some richness, tonality, and texture. I dislike washed out out skin tones with no texture or detail, particularly in shots of men. In the fashion shoot we saw earlier, shot with the Leica 42.5mm f/1.2, the lighting was very soft and flattering, and the model is wearing makeup, so we won't se much skin texture, but we want to see crisp detail in the eyes, the hair, and the lips, which there is. Below are screenshots from a lighting test I uploaded last night and from a recent video on YouTube over at the Cinematography Database. I resemble a Chernobyl victim with a radioactive lime green polo, while Matt Workman bears an uncanny resemblance to a marshmallow wearing a hoodie. 

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8 minutes ago, Inazuma said:

@jonpais

Strange! In the picture you posted above, your skin seems rich and evenly coloured to me. But in the YouTube video there's all sorts of red patchiness going on.

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Thanks for pointing that out. Now I've got to spend weeks researching the best settings so my YouTube videos look like the actual files, rather than a Frankenstein version! 

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1 hour ago, Inazuma said:

@jonpais

Strange! In the picture you posted above, your skin seems rich and evenly coloured to me. But in the YouTube video there's all sorts of red patchiness going on.

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That's different lenses on each shot btw. The red patchiness is there on both shots, but the Leica is a little darker/contrasty so that might have something to do with it. 

It's there on @jonpais other video with the 12mm too. Could it be that -2 contrast setting?

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1 minute ago, Fredrik Lyhne said:

That's different lenses on each shot btw. The red patchiness is there on both shots, but the Leica is a little darker/contrasty so that might have something to do with it. 

It's there on @jonpais other video with the 12mm too. Could it be that -2 contrast setting?

@Fredrik Lyhne I double checked myself, the same frame in my original file with the Leica and over at YouTube. YouTube is definitely adding patchiness and red in my complexion, making me look like Quasimodo.

@Fredrik Lyhne Are you seeing anything in the GH5 that would convince you to upgrade?

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15 minutes ago, jonpais said:

@Fredrik Lyhne I double checked myself, the same frame in my original file with the Leica and over at YouTube. YouTube is definitely adding patchiness and red in my complexion, making me look like Quasimodo.

@Fredrik Lyhne Are you seeing anything in the GH5 that would convince you to upgrade?

Well, that's good news, sort of... It's looks a lot better on Safari than Chrome btw. 

I'm seeing lots, and have been since I got my GX85 in June. The GH5 is actually a little overkill for me. Something between the G85 and GH5 would have been sufficient, but that's not going to happen. The way I see it is that I'm paying 500 $ more and getting a camera that I will have for years, until the next GH is out. 

Seriously, what's not to like? Color, RS, noise performance, crop, stabilization is much improved over the GH4. DR could always be better but apart from that it check's basically every mark off the list. 

I'm know there's other great cameras in that price range, but the GH5 is by far the best production tool in my opinion. 

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Here's my trick with Panny cameras I shoot tungsten at 4000k , never 3200k as it looks too pale on skin , I like warm tones , is shot the whole of the Pandora movie at 4000k for the tungsten ( arri Fresnels) and all the exterior day at 6500k not 5600k , and I've used that for the past 3 years on all panny cameras , it just looks nicer on skin tones , just dial in the kelvin manually , don't use presets at all

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2 minutes ago, Fredrik Lyhne said:

Something between the G85 and GH5 would have been sufficient, but that's not going to happen.

But it is going to happen, and I've been saying all along that we can expect an announcement  of a premium rangefinder style body by the fall of this year with some of the refinements of the GH5. Which features those will be is anybody's guess, but unlike Canon, when Panasonic comes out with stuff like 4K Photo, DFD technology, Dual IBIS, highlight and shadow curves, monochrome live view, and tons of other features, they don't just reserve them for their high end cameras. 

6 minutes ago, andy lee said:

Here's my trick with Panny cameras I shoot tungsten at 4000k , never 3200k as it looks too pale on skin , I like warm tones , is shot the whole of the Pandora movie at 4000k for the tungsten ( arri Fresnels) and all the exterior day at 6500k not 5600k , and I've used that for the past 3 years on all panny cameras , it just looks nicer on skin tones , just dial in the kelvin manually , don't use presets at all

Precisely - if you're using lighting, there's no excuse in the world for using presets, except out of sheer laziness.

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19 minutes ago, jonpais said:

But it is going to happen, and I've been saying all along that we can expect an announcement  of a premium rangefinder style body by the fall of this year with some of the refinements of the GH5. Which features those will be is anybody's guess, but unlike Canon, when Panasonic comes out with stuff like 4K Photo, DFD technology, Dual IBIS, highlight and shadow curves, monochrome live view, and tons of other features, they don't just reserve them for their high end cameras. 

Precisely - if you're using lighting, there's no excuse in the world for using presets, except out of sheer laziness.

I highly doubt it. I think they're going to be releasing an update to the GX8, but there is no guarantee it will even have a headphone jack. I'm guessing it will be aimed towards photographers.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but no other Panasonic camera except the GH-line has ever had as high frame rates, bigger batteries, headphone jack, v-log L etc. Ergonomics is subjective, but I prefer the GH-line and GX8 over the smaller G85 and GX85.

The GH5 is meant to last for 3 years, why would they release a cheaper similar camera to compete with it? Maybe in a year or two we will see 4K 60p in a cheaper Panasonic camera.

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9 minutes ago, Fredrik Lyhne said:

I highly doubt it. I think they're going to be releasing an update to the GX8, but there is no guarantee it will even have a headphone jack. I'm guessing it will be aimed towards photographers.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but no other Panasonic camera except the GH-line has ever had as high frame rates, bigger batteries, headphone jack, v-log L etc. Ergonomics is subjective, but I prefer the GH-line and GX8 over the smaller G85 and GX85.

The GH5 is meant to last for 3 years, why would they release a cheaper similar camera to compete with it? Maybe in a year or two we will see 4K 60p in a cheaper Panasonic camera.

Many of the features that were on the GH4 were inherited by the G85, and it arguably has the better sensor, better color and more accurate white balance (some will disagree, that's fine). Not only that, but they added IBIS to the G85, one reason I stopped using the GH4 and eventually sold it. And for me, the G85 is the perfect size. But opinions are what make the world go 'round (or something like that). 

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1 minute ago, jonpais said:

Many of the features that were on the GH4 were inherited by the G85, and it arguably has the better sensor, better color and more accurate white balance (some will disagree, that's fine). Not only that, but they added IBIS to the G85, one reason I stopped using the GH4 and eventually sold it. And for me, the G85 is the perfect size. But opinions are what make the world go 'round (or something to like that). 

And the G85 came out almost 3 years after the GH4 which is what I'm saying. That's a little too long to wait for me. 

Don't know if that's for me but,  I don't disagree that the G85 has better color and more accurate WB. I posted that many months ago as the main reason to why I sold my GH4.

11 minutes ago, Fredrik Lyhne said:

The GH5 is meant to last for 3 years, why would they release a cheaper similar camera to compete with it? Maybe in a year or two we will see 4K 60p in a cheaper Panasonic camera.

 

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17 minutes ago, Fredrik Lyhne said:

And the G85 came out almost 3 years after the GH4 which is what I'm saying. That's a little too long to wait for me. 

Don't know if that's for me but,  I don't disagree that the G85 has better color and more accurate WB. I posted that many months ago as the main reason to why I sold my GH4.

 

If it were a rangefinder style camera, it wouldn't necessarily be competing with the DSLR shaped body of the GH5. Many people, myself included, prefer the ergonomics of the DSLR style. Remember, Panasonic also released the GM1 shortly after the GH4, which was a hit among several of us here, as well the G7, which was like a poor man's GH4, and I believe even Andy Lee said he used six or seven of them on a production. So there will still be lots of innovation, and as I've said in the past, I never used a tenth of the features on my GH4, and I would most likely not use 1/20th of the features of the GH5 after I've played with them for a while. For example, I never touched master pedestal, i don't do multi cam work, so I have no use for color bars, I don't do stills, so I have no need for high buffer rates, I never shot V-Log or anamorphic, I never used 4K photo and on and on, all these features I'm paying for but end up not using. 

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15 minutes ago, jonpais said:

If it were a rangefinder style camera, it wouldn't necessarily be competing with the DSLR shaped body of the GH5. Many people, myself included, prefer the ergonomics of the DSLR style. Remember, Panasonic also released the GM1 shortly after the GH4, which was a hit among several of us here, as well the G7, which was like a poor man's GH4, and I believe even Andy Lee said he used six or seven of them on a production. So there will still be lots of innovation, and as I've said in the past, I never used a tenth of the features on my GH4, and I would most likely not use 1/20th of the features of the GH5 after I've played with them for a while. For example, I never touched master pedestal, i don't do multi cam work, so I have no use for color bars, I don't do stills, so I have no need for high buffer rates, I never shot V-Log or anamorphic, I never used 4K photo and on and on, all these features I'm paying for but end up not using. 

It would be competing if it had the same features, which it won't. That's all I'm saying. 

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