Panasonic GH5 - all is revealed!

[Fritz Pierre 472]

2 hours ago, jonpais said:

This may not pertain to what Fritz is referring to, but from watching the video above, it appears that when purchasing V-Log L, you also get four LUTs which you can use to view a sort of graded image in-camera or through an external recorder. I never shot V-Log with my GH4, one of the reasons being it looked like mush in the viewfinder, the other being it really requires 10 bit for good quality. The GH5 should solve both of those issues. So I don't belong to the camp that says they wouldn't buy the camera if they have to pay for something that unlocks extra features. What I do object to is the 1990s way they are distributing it.

@jonpais...yes...LUT preview is going to be available with the GH5...I think you're going to be able to load up to four preview LUTS, of your own choice though, (I hope!)...must say I'm very impressed with @Neumann Films LUT used in the footage he provided....I've shot with Vlog L both internally and on a external device...you have to pick your battles, but you get used to it and if you use Leeming's ETTR exposure method (listed on his website) it's fantastic!...(but for me the camera is really just a stepping stone to the story)...other's needs obviously differ hugely from my own...a last thought on VlogL for your ears only...if you're shooting internally....even on the GH4 you have to pick your battles...as my interest is narrative only, I can!...also production design....controlling wall color etc. makes a huge difference...not to reopen a tired old argument, but in fairness to Panny, I don't think it was really intended as a "walk around" tool, but a more professional enhancement tool...I am probably alone in saying that I'm glad they did not make the camera a $100 more expensive and include this, but made it a paid upgrade only for those who really want it....otherwise you land up with a lot of negative feedback when someone tries to use Vlog in a way not intended by the designers....+1 on the clumsy implementation method...they must have their reasoning I guess!

 

[Moshimo Garcia 1]

Hey guys, I am curious if anyone might have an idea if this is possible. I have the GH5 preordered for release, but with the SXSW coming a few weeks before its listed release date, I'd love to be able to shoot with it while I'm freelancing over the week. Do you think there is potential in me getting in contact with a Panasonic rep to see about getting an early released model to be used for covering the even with the agreement that I'd provide them with footage? 

[jonpais 3,123]

1 minute ago, Moshimo Garcia said:

Hey guys, I am curious if anyone might have an idea if this is possible. I have the GH5 preordered for release, but with the SXSW coming a few weeks before its listed release date, I'd love to be able to shoot with it while I'm freelancing over the week. Do you think there is potential in me getting in contact with a Panasonic rep to see about getting an early released model to be used for covering the event? 

Sure, I'll let you borrow mine when I'm finished with it next week.

[Axel 666]

3 hours ago, Arikhan said:

When possible I always use MF with additional control monitor (even when using a big shoulder camera), but when it isn't possible (unespectable run&gun situations, one man band, etc.) I need a reliable AF.

 

3 hours ago, jonpais said:

What this means for enthusiasts is that, with the increasing sophistication of top-tier consumer cameras, photographers are going to be required to become more and more tech-saavy.

I'd rather have a camera be fully manual like my old Bolex 16mm or the Ursa Mini (insofar as you have two parameters to worry about: exposure and focus, even WB isn't important). I'd try to "customize" the GH5 to do that. Waveform would be an assistant for better exposure, peaking for better focus. AF - perhaps -for certain challenges, IBIS -perhaps - for others, both assisting me to achieve exactly what I have in mind. If the camera has automatic features, I'd trust them only so far as I could fully control them, delegate a thoroughly tested routine to them. I predict we are going to see hundreds of terribly degraded v-log clips this year, slomos of paint drying, terminator-vision autofocus and far away sparrows in 7,5 x slomo, terribly graded with focus transitions to a wind wheel in the foreground. That's when they fell in love with the GH5's virtues but never thought of controlling them.

5 hours ago, jonpais said:

Recently, I've been noticing just how often that while I am focusing, (and I have the menu set to focus assist whenever I touch the focus ring on the lens), that I forget I'm in focus assist; and I go to change exposure with the dial, and instead of changing exposure, I've changed the magnification from 3X to 10X or something. Very annoying! And anyone who's ever used a Panasonic camera knows how useless 10X magnification is (you can no longer see focus peaking, for one thing). I don't know what Panasonic could do to avoid this from happening. Has anyone else here had this same problem? 

You can turn that off in the menu, was the same with GH2, there it was the default.

[AKED-M 13]

Has this been posted?

 

https://s04d.storage.yandex.net/rdisk/ea5a52ab6f166485504def18edbd765a9227204439dc72d1d9a20eabca3e807b/58800d30/1A6YoTnKCjjYtnUnKO2EeQKkBlqQGcC8mRmx-cAOZzhNqSaae4SXdMAF2MNWNnRuPnXbjUfflWZ06trMy0Rc3Q==?uid=0&filename=GH5_presentation_161226_Final.pdf&disposition=attachment&hash=DRnUU9msfNyIzmR6jQG3ghFH5VOLnI7%2BbC/SAFjR/7I%3D&limit=0&content_type=application%2Fpdf&fsize=4982440&hid=254fbfcd45972f69d42257dec9fe414b&media_type=document&tknv=v2&rtoken=zdMfLQM9f3YZ&force_default=no&ycrid=na-b64ee16ab8994786923cefdfbf607b39-downloader4d&ts=54667e939ac00&s=c3fd7f12c2ee17185c5421cc7288f2eeaf129bd3f6bfbc2bd7c518e5af6610f2&bp=/42/7/data-0.21:50117435719:4982440&pb=U2FsdGVkX1_a4HKHDhJQEURADl1VQipzMAr5dlcjWjK4eh5bVofhnS6wFu-x6Paua2-2xGze2ZQdi3QATr9QG9gD_E92Q-xNQ8f2xGIGhYc=

[jonpais 3,123]

AKED-M's link is to a download of a copy of the presentation at Photokina of the GH5 on January 4th. Worth looking at and holding onto until the actual release.  

[Dean 135]

2 hours ago, AKED-M said:

Has this been posted?

 

https://s04d.storage.yandex.net/rdisk/ea5a52ab6f166485504def18edbd765a9227204439dc72d1d9a20eabca3e807b/58800d30/1A6YoTnKCjjYtnUnKO2EeQKkBlqQGcC8mRmx-cAOZzhNqSaae4SXdMAF2MNWNnRuPnXbjUfflWZ06trMy0Rc3Q==?uid=0&filename=GH5_presentation_161226_Final.pdf&disposition=attachment&hash=DRnUU9msfNyIzmR6jQG3ghFH5VOLnI7%2BbC/SAFjR/7I%3D&limit=0&content_type=application%2Fpdf&fsize=4982440&hid=254fbfcd45972f69d42257dec9fe414b&media_type=document&tknv=v2&rtoken=zdMfLQM9f3YZ&force_default=no&ycrid=na-b64ee16ab8994786923cefdfbf607b39-downloader4d&ts=54667e939ac00&s=c3fd7f12c2ee17185c5421cc7288f2eeaf129bd3f6bfbc2bd7c518e5af6610f2&bp=/42/7/data-0.21:50117435719:4982440&pb=U2FsdGVkX1_a4HKHDhJQEURADl1VQipzMAr5dlcjWjK4eh5bVofhnS6wFu-x6Paua2-2xGze2ZQdi3QATr9QG9gD_E92Q-xNQ8f2xGIGhYc=

Brilliant. Great read. 

This thing has a mind-boggling amount of features !!

[jonpais 3,123]

3 hours ago, Axel said:

You can turn that off in the menu, was the same with GH2, there it was the default.

Thanks, Axel. Right after purchasing the G85, the very first thing I did was to switch the functions of the two wheels: the one at the front with the record button to shutter speed, and the one near my thumb to aperture, because on my GH4 I was always inadvertently changing shutter speed. Anyhow, this morning I went into Dial Operation Switch Setup in the menu and assigned focus assist, which changes the magnification from 3X to 10X (confusingly called AF Mode) to the front dial, ISO to the rear dial, and all is well. 

[webrunner5 2,459]

This thing is not going to be cheap after you add the battery grip, the Microphone thingy, and a MB Speed booster. That is like $3500.00 at least.

But it has some serious specs for sure. Interesting how they compared it to their own camera, the GH4.

[jonpais 3,123]

Just one of the many baffling decisions Apple made when they designed the 2016 MBPr that infuriated photographers, myself included, was the removal of the SD card slot. So I'll be interested in seeing just how fast I can offload video clips from the GH5 to my own MacBook Pro through the USB-C port come April.

[Dean 135]

2 hours ago, jonpais said:

which changes the magnification from 3X to 10X

I can only get a max of 6X ... u sure you are getting 10X?

[jonpais 3,123]

2 hours ago, Dean said:

I can only get a max of 6X ... u sure you are getting 10X?

Yes, you can get up to 10X magnification in focus assist - but testing my camera just now, I see that peaking does work ok at higher magnifications. But I think I still prefer 3X most of the time.

[DamienMTL 5]

Anamorphic internal de-squeeze?

Not available in the pre-release version. Too bad

[jonpais 3,123]

I'm thinking I'll hold off on the GH5 after all... In three more years, Panasonic will be launching the GH6 with 8K.  

[Davey 249]

Interesting take on noise in the context of GH5 expectations:

 

[Dimitris Stasinos 90]

2 hours ago, Davey said:

Interesting take on noise in the context of GH5 expectations:

 

I really liked his point of view and couldn't agree more. Yes, cameras have evolved since then and high noise issues gradually get off our way. But it's not always a matter of perspective or philosophy. From my point of view, A7S has raised the bar so much and opened new creative possibilities that are hard to ignore when an m43 camera with a good lens is getting really close to it´s price...I really liked "The Rock" by the way, but it is not that simple as "it was good for them back then, so stop asking for better SN ratio and do your job", because I personally have not a lighting crew with a van full of lighting gear to save my shot every time my camera tends to screw it...So if you ask me, yes the A7S has more than enough DR and low light capabilities, at least for me, but gh4 would ruin my day. And as for gh5 I am hoping for a usable 3200 iso, which I consider as "a very BASIC feature" for a camera which is 2x the price of a6300.

[Axel 666]

@Dimitris Stasinos

You are right of course. As I see it, Philip Bloom didn't do us a favour by shooting "night for day" in his Now I See or later in the weird lake-shot that was only lit by the moon. Lowlight capabilities allow you to scale down the amount of light necessary to light a scene (but they shouldn't save you from lighting!), but to shoot in practically no light is a misconception. I also know the GH5 will never come close to the cleanness of the A7Rii/A7Sii (I use both sometimes). The DR also is very good with the Sony's. Be it as it may, they are terrible in terms of video usability. It starts with tiny, dim and not fully articulated displays. I like the images, I absolutely dislike to shoot with it. On a check list with a comparison of Sony vs. Pana the GH5 would probably get a "con" for lowlight.

[webrunner5 2,459]

Well you and I know the next Sony A7s, A7r will Have to have 10 bit and a few more items that the GH5 has to stay competitive. So maybe for a little more money over the GH5 the A7's will be the thing to have. The low light, better DR, and even the ability for better DoF is hard to pass up for a few more dollars.

[Axel 666]

35 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Well you and I know the next Sony A7s, A7r will Have to have 10 bit and a few more items that the GH5 has to stay competitive. So maybe for a little more money over the GH5 the A7's will be the thing to have.

XAVC is such a good codec, it doesn't need 10-bit desperately. Do you really think that the 10-bit of the GH5 is automatically better? I don't see any evidence for this so far. What I expect is a camera that just has so many good features that it will be a joy to shoot video with it.

EDIT: ... and I really don't think Sony is going to cannibalize their FS7 by making their hybrids 10-bit. But who knows. The Alpha-series should actually be called the Beta-series. The minute you hold a brand new model in your hands, the successor is presented at a trade show, and it's successor is boxed in the factory (slightly exaggerated). 

[sanveer 697]

I am just curious. Does it matter to anyone, that while Panasonic cannot compete with the Sony A line for dynamic range and low light, the Panasonic Cameras can record for hours (especially in the case of the GH Series), and thus one can not only use them for filmmaking (with a few seconds or a few mins of video), but also for live events, interviews and documentaries. They can, in many ways, therefore, also be used for ENG and other work. The A7 series do not overheat after their last firmware update of last year, but the battery life isn't really too great, either ways.
I read somewhere, that theoretically, the fastest a lens can go, is f.50 (Barry Lyndon was close, at f.70). If that be the case, then I hope someone tries making an f.5 lens. That would gather like 5 times as much light as an f2.8. That like ISO3200 vs ISO 51200.