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Neumann Films,

that Speed Booster footage looks great. Are the original files available for download somewhere? I downloaded some other GH5 files you posted but I can't seem to find the Speed Booster ones.

Thanks for the great work with the GH5!

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11 minutes ago, wolf33d said:

And me I would love a test shot of AF continuous tracking a guy coming towards camera :) 

There is one, but apparently with f5.6 - 8, so it's not very significant:

 

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Little 1080/24 test.  35-100 f 2.8 (v1)/ISO 400/VLogL/WB "Sunny".  Not sure if IS was on, didn't have the notification on the LCD and it looked a little shaky.  Wonder if IS isn't ready for 1080p yet (firmware).  Basically, don't judge the IS either way.  I don't think it was activated but the fact that it isn't is no cause for alarm as this is an early prototype.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/j86ttg6otkmb1ma/P1000108.MP4

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56 minutes ago, Axel said:

There is one, but apparently with f5.6 - 8, so it's not very significant:

 

If this is the GH5 then focustracking seems to be very unreliable. I also don't understand why he did shoot at that f-stop, at least put on a fast prime and shoot wide open. 

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6 minutes ago, dantheman said:

If this is the GH5 then focustracking seems to be very unreliable. I also don't understand why he did shoot at that f-stop, at least put on a fast prime and shoot wide open. 

Not sure. You know how it is sometimes easier to keep an sDoF motif in focus manually than an image where everything is almost sharp. But if there won't be a reliable face detection or motif tracking AFC (for gimbal shots), then I know I will never care about the feature at all. Have never seen it work anywhere. Even the A6300, in the slot car shot selected to show off the AF speed it's not convincing imo. It's also a fact that AF needs programming. You have to input what you expect, how should the camera know? Perhaps it's brilliant. Let's wait and see.

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2 hours ago, Neumann Films said:

Little 1080/24 test.  35-100 f 2.8 (v1)/ISO 400/VLogL/WB "Sunny".  Not sure if IS was on, didn't have the notification on the LCD and it looked a little shaky.  Wonder if IS isn't ready for 1080p yet (firmware).  Basically, don't judge the IS either way.  I don't think it was activated but the fact that it isn't is no cause for alarm as this is an early prototype.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/j86ttg6otkmb1ma/P1000108.MP4

Detail is great. Rolling-shutter looks virtually non-existent.

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3 hours ago, Neumann Films said:

Little 1080/24 test.  35-100 f 2.8 (v1)/ISO 400/VLogL/WB "Sunny".  Not sure if IS was on, didn't have the notification on the LCD and it looked a little shaky.  Wonder if IS isn't ready for 1080p yet (firmware).  Basically, don't judge the IS either way.  I don't think it was activated but the fact that it isn't is no cause for alarm as this is an early prototype.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/j86ttg6otkmb1ma/P1000108.MP4

Hmm not sure is it as fast as NX1 1080p.. But should be good enought.

Thanks for your clips!

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1 hour ago, Neumann Films said:

Hamsters and Elderberries

Same old Panasonic, they never listen to their customers. I asked for newt and curly kale smell. Or at least charred meat like Sony. Hamsters and elderberries are never going to cut it in lowlight. I need something more pungent to be able to find my camera in the dark.

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8 minutes ago, Thpriest said:

Same old Panasonic, they never listen to their customers. I asked for newt and curly kale smell. Or at least charred meat like Sony. Hamsters and elderberries are never going to cut it in lowlight. I need something more pungent to be able to find my camera in the dark.

Right?  At the very least a hot shoe shrubbery accessory for those difficult shooting conditions in the forest of Ni.

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8 minutes ago, Thpriest said:

Same old Panasonic, they never listen to their customers. I asked for newt and curly kale smell. Or at least charred meat like Sony. Hamsters and elderberries are never going to cut it in lowlight. I need something more pungent to be able to find my camera in the dark.

Dear Mr Thpriest,

would you like to try again using the English language?

Otherwise it may happen that your choice of wording gets confused with modern art.

Kind regards.

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8 minutes ago, Neumann Films said:

Right?  At the very least a hot shoe shrubbery accessory for those difficult shooting conditions in the forest of Ni.

Niii! Exactly. I thought the old Sony slogan of "Wolf nipple chips, get them while they're hot! They're lovely!" was a bit close to the bone (don't try to put an a6300 in you shirt pocket after shooting 4k for 15mins...er.. seconds).

 

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2 minutes ago, Thpriest said:

Niii! Exactly. I thought the old Sony slogan of "Wolf nipple chips, get them while they're hot! They're lovely!" was a bit close to the bone (don't try to put an a6300 in you shirt pocket after shooting 4k for 15mins...er.. seconds).

 

Hahahah! Well done.

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On January 17, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Neumann Films said:

Thanks, yeah all new LUTs.  I have always liked using a Speedbooster, I dunno.  I could go back and forth, at times I want more in focus and really would want that stabilization.  I would almost keep a Speedbooster on hand for low light and shallow DOF stuff.  It definitely makes the camera more versatile. 

@Neumann Films Sorry....I confused you with someone else I must have read about, who said they never use speed boosters...do I find your LUT pack on your website...been using Leeming's LUT on the GH4 but I think with this camera/LUT combo you're hitting it out of the ballpark....any info regarding your LUTS will be appreciated...I would be using it in FCPX, but would also be giving it to my DP, who's also my colorist. Let me know if that is acceptable, so feel free to PM me if you prefer to do it that way...

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@Axel

I tested the Pana AF modes intensively (last time two weeks ago) with the FZ1000. The more you test different modes and scenarios, the more usable it will be for shooters needing a reliable AF in combination with MF. I compared it with the very good AF of the NX1. (Personally I consider Canons DPAF to be number one, some Sony cameras numjber two, NX1 and X-T2 number 3)

The test: FZ1000 + NX1 both set on face recognition, subject walking forth camera, cameraman walking back in round about 1,2m distance to subject. Both cameras with F2.8. Results were absolutely comparable, Pana with no wobbling or hunting. The subject did a moderate walk (not slow, not fast)...I wouldn't have expected this...
With "multi area" (eg subject turns face away from camera), the Pana is hunting, oftenly searching for more contrasty structures (background). In these cases (intensively tested too), it is very useful to determine a flexible AF area - the extent of the AF area can be extended - which can be moved in every direction and place you want. Using this method, focus never hunts (in static situations), even if background is much more contrasty than the subject: You just have to keep your subject within the predetermined focusing area.
There are many complaints on the pana AF hunting (hunting for more contrast, "wobbling" etc. in AF) but I think, users should test more the different modes and adapt this to their preferences...

I don't know  (I never hold the GH5 in my hands) but to be honest, I don't expect an AF similar to the big "AF-Gorillas" (Canon, Sony, Samsung and Fuji as descripted above), but I find the Pana AF usable. I used it in quite "impossible" situations and in the dark (a night concert on a stage in Romania) and - despite the 1" sensor and crop - it did very well at long zoom (about F4). It tracked faces like hell, I was very happy - i never would expect it but this showed me how important it is to extensively test for knowing how to handle camera strengths and limitations...

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This may not pertain to what Fritz is referring to, but from watching the video above, it appears that when purchasing V-Log L, you also get four LUTs which you can use to view a sort of graded image in-camera or through an external recorder. I never shot V-Log with my GH4, one of the reasons being it looked like mush in the viewfinder, the other being it really requires 10 bit for good quality. The GH5 should solve both of those issues. So I don't belong to the camp that says they wouldn't buy the camera if they have to pay for something that unlocks extra features. What I do object to is the 1990s way they are distributing it.

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