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36 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Yes he makes a very lot of good points in that video. We sort of take it for granted.  But the GH5, GH5s are one hell of a good film making tool for the money.

Really other than the new PK4, none of the new FF cameras, and the Fuji have added Anything to talk about over what a GH5 has had 2 years ago. And most of them have a Hell of a lot less features. And now you can buy a used GH5 cheaper than any of the new cameras, even the PF4. Interesting. We really haven't gained crap other than some pretty nice options on the PK4, Raw in particular, the the C port, and the mini XLR is nice also. Oh and the menus are damn nice also on the screen.

Other than the Fuji X-T3 for photos I don't see hardly Any edge for film making on the Canon, or Nikon, Fuji offerings over the GH5, GH5s.

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4 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Really other than the new PK4, none of the new FF cameras, and the Fuji have added Anything to talk about over what a GH5 has had 2 years ago. And most of them have a Hell of a lot less features. And now you can buy a used GH5 cheaper than any of the new cameras, even the PF4. Interesting. We really haven't gained crap other than some pretty nice options on the PK4, Raw in particular, the the C port, and the mini XLR is nice also. Oh and the menus are damn nice also on the screen.

Other than the Fuji X-T3 for photos I don't see hardly Any edge for film making on the Canon, or Nikon, Fuji offerings over the GH5, GH5s.

Usable continuous auto focus is a big feature IMHO. For me people tend to forget that the XT3 is APSC. Yes Panasonic was the first SLR to include 10 bit (well the GH4 had it externally), but Fuji is the first to include 10 bit on an APSC sensor up to 60p 4k.

I've always liked Panasonic, but to be fair they've really held back with auto focus development for no apparent reason. Sony and Panasonic are both really innovative for video, just in different ways. For me Fuji has taken the best parts of Panasonic and Sony and put them in one camera, only with better color science.

But yeah for the traditional video makers who don't need the new age auto focus, the GH5 and S are still great. The waveform monitoring and timecode are certainly one of a kind in this format of camera.

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I have not seen Any of the new offerings, even this new Canon EOS R, have what I would call dependable AF in Video mode, none. And I would say the Fuji is the worse of the bunch for AF, dependable AF. Sure the Panasonic sucks also. I am sure with some firmware updates Canon will get it figured out. Even the Nikon is great at Times, But to depend on it. Nah not me. Once I see a few niggles in a film where the AF is off I spend the rest of the film looking for it to happen, and not even pay attention to the plot. It is disturbing as hell to see crappy AF. Just terrible.

I would trust an old C100 mk II, or a 1DX mk II better than these new cameras. Heck the Sony A7 mk III seems better than this last batch of cameras for AF. I am not impressed from what I have seen. Will they get better with updates, I am sure they will Try.

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For me it is a simple equation..  if you want IBIS for use with MF / vintage / cine primes then this is the camera.

I think that "50 reasons" video is quite compelling..  partly because it wasn't 7 reasons, and because the reasons were "it has feature X and P4K doesn't", not the usual "feature X is 7% better" that these videos are normally full of.

The fact that "It's also a stills camera" was only one of the reasons was quite telling I think!!

 

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I'm now an official member of the GH5 owners club.  Spent three hours last night trying to understand the settings and set up the camera how I want it.  I am so confused!!

I'll work it out, but holy wow, the complex interactions of the record format, record quality, VFR option, and system frequency settings are making my brain hurt..

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53 minutes ago, kye said:

I'm now an official member of the GH5 owners club.  Spent three hours last night trying to understand the settings and set up the camera how I want it.  I am so confused!!

I'll work it out, but holy wow, the complex interactions of the record format, record quality, VFR option, and system frequency settings are making my brain hurt..

Let Griffin Hammond walk you through it.

Alternatively, you can just download his settings over at YT, place them on your SD card and import to camera - mission complete in a couple seconds. And congratulations!

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Thanks @jonpais - I actually watched his video last night!

I just wrote a big post asking how to set things up the way I wanted, but I figured it out.  I now have C1 as C4K-10bit, C2 as 4K60, and C3 as 1080p180, with all of them in Aperture priority and auto-ISO.  I couldn't work out how to set this up until I realised I could set a bunch of things in "Camera-M" mode but then save them to the Custom modes...  I was in the Custom mode looking for movie settings that weren't available in the menus!  A confusing start, but I think I'm there.

So now, 24 hours after bought it, I think I'm ready to record my first test clip! 😂😂😂

I only have the 14mm 2.5 on it for the moment until next week when my m42 adapter and lenses show up.  I'm anticipating another steep learning curve at that point :)

Of course, there will also be learning curves when: I pull footage into Resolve for the first time, I buy the V-Log update, I get the GHa package, etc etc etc... :)

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Does anyone use the 4:3 open gate mode without anamorphic lenses?  This guy thinks it's a winner, and he compares it to a RAW photo, but doesn't compare it with the DCI 4K 400Mbit mode which might be just as good perhaps?

 

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4 hours ago, kye said:

Of course, there will also be learning curves when: I pull footage into Resolve for the first time, I buy the V-Log update, I get the GHa package, etc etc etc... :)

Congratulation... I think that GH5, with its plenty of customization choices, offers also extremely simplified, a la "cinema camera"  solution for concentrating mostly on composition's tasks. Maybe as probably totally needless little suggestions that me personally like and use extensively:

- explore greatly effective ETC solution and set it to one of the button or mod

- try to shoot everything with HLG, because there's so little or nothing of settings to bother with (as with Vlog) and results are the best in DR (resolving shadows/keeping highlghts - besides it will work easy with GHa luts in post

- set button switch for two different ibis options, regarding "steady" (IS video lock) and "moving" stabilization goals (also you can set 3 different custom option for quickly change 3 focal lengths)

- As you already mention, @Sage approach totally  change not just "color science" and resulting look, but also, and more important, DR distribution  that greatly bring up usability of tonal range  (for my preferences, I like the most conversion to Alexa's log and than look for further grading if I really need it).

Regarding 4:3 open gate mode, it seems that there's less sharpening in it, but files are huge and demanding and have to be converted first even for the extremely powerful computers. Of course, for some difficult and unprepared compositions task, it could be life saver... but I'm sure you already guess it better than me.

For artistic inspiration - we are happy here to have some talented shooters with obvious open minded freedom and time to explore their talent, say @Oliver Daniel as first to come in mind.

For different orientation in professional spectre - If you did not already, maybe check infos and suggestions from that nice professional wedding shooter couple "White in reverie" - although their color preferences wouldn't be your first choice also, but they obviously are very serious in business and not joking at all preferring GH5 for its friendly and wide working flexibility/usability/durability. You have 2-3 more clips on youtube...

 

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2 hours ago, anonim said:

Congratulation... I think that GH5, with its plenty of customization choices, offers also extremely simplified, a la "cinema camera"  solution for concentrating mostly on composition's tasks. Maybe as probably totally needless little suggestions that me personally like and use extensively:

- explore greatly effective ETC solution and set it to one of the button or mod

- try to shoot everything with HLG, because there's so little or nothing of settings to bother with (as with Vlog) and results are the best in DR (resolving shadows/keeping highlghts - besides it will work easy with GHa luts in post

- set button switch for two different ibis options, regarding "steady" (IS video lock) and "moving" stabilization goals (also you can set 3 different custom option for quickly change 3 focal lengths)

- As you already mention, @Sage approach totally  change not just "color science" and resulting look, but also, and more important, DR distribution  that greatly bring up usability of tonal range  (for my preferences, I like the most conversion to Alexa's log and than look for further grading if I really need it).

Regarding 4:3 open gate mode, it seems that there's less sharpening in it, but files are huge and demanding and have to be converted first even for the extremely powerful computers. Of course, for some difficult and unprepared compositions task, it could be life saver... but I'm sure you already guess it better than me.

For artistic inspiration - we are happy here to have some talented shooters with obvious open minded freedom and time to explore their talent, say @Oliver Daniel as first to come in mind.

For different orientation in professional spectre - If you did not already, maybe check infos and suggestions from that nice professional wedding shooter couple "White in reverie" - although their color preferences wouldn't be your first choice also, but they obviously are very serious in business and not joking at all preferring GH5 for its friendly and wide working flexibility/usability/durability. You have 2-3 more clips on youtube...

 

Thanks Anonim!

I've mapped the ETC and IS Video Lock to buttons.  That IS Video Lock is really great - I just tried it for walking and it does a really respectable job - almost gimbal-like movement, and in a couple of places perhaps even a bit floaty for my tastes.  Definitely something to reach for when I want more aggressive stabilisation, and of course, a static shot :)

I just setup HLG, but unfortunately it's not available in 4K60 or 180fps modes...  what would you suggest for filming slow-motion shots?  Cineline-D seemed to be the previous favourite?  I'm ok in Resolve to match shots ok, but getting it closer to HLG would be nicer :)

I think I like the GHa conversion more for the highlight softening than I do for the colour, and the colour is pretty darn nice.  I was contemplating a new thread about how much of 'colour science' is hue and how much is luminance, but that's another topic.

I have so much to learn and so much reading to do.  With the XC10 there was basically no-one talking about it and no support whatsoever, and now for the GH5 it will be a matter of sifting through the content to get the good bits because there's so much of it around!  Of course, better to have too much advice than too little, and I ingest information pretty easily, so it's definitely the problem I'd rather have.

I have done some tests with the 14mm 2.5 and all I can say is I can't wait until my other lenses arrive!  Neither the f2.5 or the MF ring of this lens are really floating my boat, but the IQ looks lovely, and I don't even have a 400Mbit capable memory card yet, so I've only played with 150Mbit files.

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Kye, I'm afraid I have not too usable advice about VFR modes - so far I'm not using slow motion for my needs, except very rarely 60p, and that just because of better stabilization or exposure controlling usage - saying that, as far as I know you can use HLG mod in 60p... But I'm sure Jon Pais have all answers.

As I already mentioned, I tend to treat any camera as much as possible as base cinema type with as low as possible bothering with settings - even thinking about AF buttons looks too complicated to me (besides being uninspiring)... Just set ISO and WB, HLG without bothering with lowering sharpening and NR and other settings, as often as possible just 24p, always MF lenses, etc. - sparing all precious time/concentration for evaluating composition of image. And enjoying/trying to master manual focusing precision... that's I'm always shooting with Atomos recorders and why level of smoothness and extremely precise linear focusing respond are, for me, the most important feature searched in lenses.

What I missed from BM cameras is corrective advantage of raw files. 10bit image of GH5 offer indeed great and enough flexibility in post, however you have to think about close-to-proper WB... but I tend not to think about anything, just about picture in front of me.

In GH5 you are safe up to iso 1600 although in dark conditions there are always some grains above iso 400 but it is very fine and often even desirable. BTW after all talks and personal testing, for me that's where finished GH5s difference - in GH5s you are safe up to iso 3200... of course, I'm talking about aesthetically and professionally most demanding shooting scenarios. Some kind of NR can spread range in one stop above respectively... Internal GH5s NR becomes too aggressive above iso 3200 and image, especially with humans, looks too cheap and plastic.

Color science... GHa is a little marvel of devotion and knowledge. Combine it with Resolve's precise grading instruments and you can mimic quality of look of any high end cinema camera for exporting in HD resolution. That's one of the wonderful example when progress in technical side of simulation capability (anatomy of color, digital achievements in providing its impressions) and person's know-how, beat market position. Yes, today you can shoot totally competitive movie with GH5, as also with Fuji XX or Sony A7iii or Canon-Mercer etc..

If you are UK located, I've found that Ex-Pro newer type of battery (those with bigger capacity) are perfect for replacing original one, as also for Sony battery for Atomos recorders...

(And in UK you can buy new GH5s for about 1850-1900e at the moment, GH5 for 1380, order Pocket 4K for 1350e...)

EDIT: As idea, if you already didn't find it - you can map all important settings just in joystick's positions! I don't know if it is possible with other cameras, but that's  so great for lazy persons like me...

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I will definitely use HLG for 4K25 10-bit.  Slow-motion modes are the question - HLG is only available externally for 60p or 180p but I don't use an external recorder so I must use an alternate picture profile.  @jonpais what PP would you recommend for 60/180p internal recording?  It seems like Cinelike-D was the favourite profile before HLG was released?

I think we have similar shooting styles @anonim - I want to configure the camera at home and then when I go out shooting I also want to be "sparing all precious time/concentration for evaluating composition of image" as you say :)

I am really looking forward to 10-bit images.  I found that 8-bit C-Log on my XC10 was normally fine, even to adjust WB and exposure in post, and I don't have as demanding shooting scenarios as you so I can be happy with more ISO noise and colour shifts, but extra bit depth certainly won't hurt :)

Also, how much difference is there between the 400Mbit and 150Mbit modes for 4K25 10-bit?

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9 minutes ago, kye said:

I will definitely use HLG for 4K25 10-bit.  Slow-motion modes are the question - HLG is only available externally for 60p or 180p but I don't use an external recorder so I must use an alternate picture profile.  @jonpais what PP would you recommend for 60/180p internal recording?  It seems like Cinelike-D was the favourite profile before HLG was released?

I've never shot 60p, so sorry.

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1 hour ago, kye said:

what PP would you recommend for 60/180p internal recording?  It seems like Cinelike-D was the favourite profile before HLG was released?

Also, how much difference is there between the 400Mbit and 150Mbit modes for 4K25 10-bit?

If you plan to buy GHa lut, there is conversion from CIneD to VLG and further easy workflow, so it seems logical to use CineD?... especially regarding correcting algorithm that @Sage makes in it to nicely tame greenish color shifting that polutes GH5 skintones image OOC.

For normal usage (without extensive motion demands or maybe greenscreening) I'd say there's no noticeable difference between 400 and 150 mbit modes. But 10bit is so convenient in disposal as still (strangely) unbeaten advantage of GH5, that I'd say it is the must to use it whenever is possible... Simply, avoiding of any banding/posterization in any non-extreme grading changes is fantastic - and such safeness doesn't exist in 8bit mode, even if final result may often look similar.

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4 hours ago, anonim said:

If you plan to buy GHa lut, there is conversion from CIneD to VLG and further easy workflow, so it seems logical to use CineD?... especially regarding correcting algorithm that @Sage makes in it to nicely tame greenish color shifting that polutes GH5 skintones image OOC.

For normal usage (without extensive motion demands or maybe greenscreening) I'd say there's no noticeable difference between 400 and 150 mbit modes. But 10bit is so convenient in disposal as still (strangely) unbeaten advantage of GH5, that I'd say it is the must to use it whenever is possible... Simply, avoiding of any banding/posterization in any non-extreme grading changes is fantastic - and such safeness doesn't exist in 8bit mode, even if final result may often look similar.

Thanks for this. As a newbie GH5 user, I'm learning a lot about Vlog / HLG / 10bit from this thread :). Anyone can point me to a good tutorial about shooting with the GH5 or should I just research on YT along the way and keep using it? Would be great if there's a video with workflow from shooting with 10bit HLG to grading on Resolve or Premiere :)

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1 hour ago, TurboRat said:

Anyone can point me to a good tutorial about shooting with the GH5 or should I just research on YT along the way and keep using it? Would be great if there's a video with workflow from shooting with 10bit HLG to grading on Resolve or Premiere :)

I think that there's not at all anything special in general about shooting with GH5, distinctive from any other hybrid camera... For specific settings in detail you may ask or search...

The same about shooting with 10bit HLG profile, once after you "normalize" footage to rec709 space. In Resolve it is possible weather using Driftwood's free "tecnical" luts while keeping common value "Davinci YRGB" in path Project settings=Color Management=Color space&Transform=Color science, or change that value to ""Davinc YRGB Color Managed' following with "Rec 2020 HLG" (somebody use 2100HLG) as Input and Timeline Color space, and Rec.709 HLG as Output Color Space in corresponding fields... Further you make grade changes as to your choice.

Or you could use some of the paid Luts... it seems that most appreciated are GHa by @Sage or those by Paul Leeming (One).

So, just to wish for you old good... happy shooting.

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1 hour ago, anonim said:

I think that there's not at all anything special in general about shooting with GH5, distinctive from any other hybrid camera... For specific settings in detail you may ask or search...

The same about shooting with 10bit HLG profile, once after you "normalize" footage to rec709 space. In Resolve it is possible weather using Driftwood's free "tecnical" luts while keeping common value "Davinci YRGB" in path Project settings=Color Management=Color space&Transform=Color science, or change that value to ""Davinc YRGB Color Managed' following with "Rec 2020 HLG" (somebody use 2100HLG) as Input and Timeline Color space, and Rec.709 HLG as Output Color Space in corresponding fields... Further you make grade changes as to your choice.

Or you could use some of the paid Luts... it seems that most appreciated are GHa by @Sage or those by Paul Leeming (One).

So, just to wish for you old good... happy shooting.

What do you think about this HDR workflow? https://www.mysterybox.us/blog/2018/1/8/panasonic-gh5s-hdr10

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