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54 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

All tests online I've seen so far shows that it is the case. And if it is true my guess is that its because of the higher mp count.

Lowlight and DR monsters are usually low mp cameras. But its been a while and a few firmwares since anyone made a test so hopefully we will know for sure soon.

I´ve seen footage with better DR from GH5 than in vids from GH4, just not comparisons. If there are any besides the seemingly failed one from the tester above, always interesting to see of course. I compared both cameras in moderate lowlight and GH4 got smoked big, big time in video. Big n nasty blocks and blotches in the GH4 footage vs. none in GH5 footage. GX85 is much better in 4K than GH4 as well in lowlight. Thats just technical progress in sensor and camera tech.

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1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said:

What was the fail?

seemingly something caused the fail, the seemingly flawed result, as it does not go along with my findings. Seemingly. Hard to believe that clipped footage is representing inferriour dr instead of a flawed test. Could be early date and sofore nle incompatibilities and different interpretation of material in the nle. different 0-255 ,16-235 in camera settings or interpretation in nle. If your findings are different I am sure it will influence your buying decision as you have posted a few posts ago. LIke I stated, sensor and/or pipe is much better in gh5 for video. My two cents and many of words.

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33 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

seemingly something caused the fail, the seemingly flawed result, as it does not go along with my findings. Seemingly. Hard to believe that clipped footage is representing inferriour dr instead of a flawed test. Could be early date and sofore nle incompatibilities and different interpretation of material in the nle. different 0-255 ,16-235 in camera settings or interpretation in nle. If your findings are different I am sure it will influence your buying decision as you have posted a few posts ago. LIke I stated, sensor and/or pipe is much better in gh5 for video. My two cents and many of words.

I'd say it is very unseemingly that Mattias Burling really needs any advice about proper testing of cameras and instructions about possible testing flaws :)

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38 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

seemingly something caused the fail, the seemingly flawed result, as it does not go along with my findings. Seemingly. Hard to believe that clipped footage is representing inferriour dr instead of a flawed test. Could be early date and sofore nle incompatibilities and different interpretation of material in the nle. different 0-255 ,16-235 in camera settings or interpretation in nle. If your findings are different I am sure it will influence your buying decision as you have posted a few posts ago. LIke I stated, sensor and/or pipe is much better in gh5 for video. My two cents and many of words.

I would agree. The only problem is that it wasn't exactly noobs doing it. All settings where equal. And finally, all other tests online show the same thing. So calling it a "fail" isn't something I can do, until someone proves them wrong. Which I sincerely hope someone would. There are tons of GH4 vs GH5 comparisons out there made after the GH5 launch. All show a drop of DR in Cine-D for the GH5. But like I said, that's a couple of firmwares ago and things might be different today.

Panasonic have great cameras, I've been shooting on them for what feels like ages now. Its the most used camera brand on my channel followed closely by Sony (Ive owned more Sony cameras than any other brand but Panasonic is the longest lasting and most used for me). The DR in the GH4 generation was bad but I can live with it. I just wouldn't want it to get even worse.

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14 minutes ago, anonim said:

I'd say it is very unseemingly that Mattias Burling really needs any advice about proper testing of cameras and instructions about possible testing flaws :)

I am not THAT keen on quoting myself, but not THAT unkeen neither, so now rather keen on it: "My two cents and many of words.", implying a bit the inner conflict of answering a question and wrongly evoking the impression of being paternizing. I think you had a gentle smile due to it just as I did when I was typing. Mattias is an eloquent individual who would not feel paternized that easily I figured.

@Mattias Burling, Havent found any tests proving better DR on GH4, but having watched plenty of Lumix videos showing me a more intriguing image of the GH5, with better DR along.  But then again, not wanting to prove anything but giving my bits of insights. cheers and looking forward to more cool videos of yours.

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18 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

I am not THAT keen on quoting myself, but not THAT unkeen neither, so now rather keen on it: "My two cents and many of words.", implying a bit the inner conflict of answering a question and wrongly evoking the impression of being paternizing. I think you had a gentle smile due to it just as I did, typing. Mattias is an eloquent individual who would not feel paternized that easily I figured. And right I was and am about him :)

 

Of course and you so nicely twice explain your ideas... but meaning of my observation was quite contrary one :) MB has so much great experience in evaluating cameras and camera tests that, I think, it is "totally unseemingly"  that without highly accurate experiment and deep elaboration any of us could help/concure/add in estimation if DR in GH5 is as bad as in GH4 or it is worse to the level that make impossible to live with it.

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2 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

I would agree. The only problem is that it wasn't exactly noobs doing it. All settings where equal. And finally, all other tests online show the same thing. So calling it a "fail" isn't something I can do, until someone proves them wrong. Which I sincerely hope someone would. There are tons of GH4 vs GH5 comparisons out there made after the GH5 launch. All show a drop of DR in Cine-D for the GH5. But like I said, that's a couple of firmwares ago and things might be different today.

Panasonic have great cameras, I've been shooting on them for what feels like ages now. Its the most used camera brand on my channel followed closely by Sony (Ive owned more Sony cameras than any other brand but Panasonic is the longest lasting and most used for me). The DR in the GH4 generation was bad but I can live with it. I just wouldn't want it to get even worse.

I do think they were using identical settings but I don't think the GH4 had the same lose of dynamic range with extended ISO. This wasn't a known issue right away so I wouldn't blame it on the guys doing the video. Who else do you know that has found dynamic range in cineD to be better on the GH4? 

I'll run it by Paul Leeming as I know he's done a lot of thorough testing on both cameras. 

 

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@anonim i love Mattias´ videos. That does not exclude my pleasure of enjoying a variety of dslm and other footage nor my insights getting from them. Mine are not a copy of yours. No reason to be so doubtful about my posts.

What benefits are you getting from your GH5 over a much cheaper GH4 besides IBIS? Are they related to better usuable DR, much better usuable DR in lowlight, to a better image over all? If so, why supporting the idea of preferring Gh4s image quality over a G9?

If you´re just trolling, lemme know. I will save time and even that repetition of mine, which you have taken the pleasure and duty to point out.

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11 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

I just want to clarify, I don't doubt the 10-bit 4:2:2 V-log in the GH5 has higher DR than anything the GH4 can produce. I was just comparing Cine-D.

Yeah I know, I really don't think CineD has more dynamic range on the GH4, could be wrong. Especially not as dramatic as in that video(which is why I think its extended ISO, because dynamic range is pretty dramatically worse with it). 

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@Dan Sherman that wouldnt be the image related attributes though, anonim might refer to himself in answer to my question pointed at him. :) Anyhow thanks for letting readers of this forum know, of course. I came to really appreciate these benefits as I have been shooting with this camera around thirty hours of footage this year.

@Mattias Burling, I hope you find the right answer to your request regarding CineD quality on the G9. Interesting sidenote: EBU has rated the GH5s with DR in HLG, CineD and VLOG at 13 plus stops.

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46 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

 If so, why supporting the idea of preferring Gh4s image quality over a G9?

No, quite contrary... but as I see/understand it with my modest knowledge, all concept of comparing DR of GH4 and GH5 in a such way looks to me, say... bizarre, so it seems to me nice to show respect and try to think in comments with touch of bizarre accent :)

So, again, if - in spite of all efforts from Panasonic to convince that GH5 represents progress in every aspect (except battery life and weight) in comparison with GH4 - Mattias with his extraordinaire experience and authority has some doubt - I simply think that it is very hard to uncover something that he already don't know.

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@anonim I think opinions are beautiful but not necessarily facts, regardless of authority one holds in the eyes of some of ones beholders coming with the flavours of great variety of accents.

I think Mattias is an avid learner who finds no trouble to not to worry about anyones authority nor the lack of chance of learning from others, if he sees it himself. I for one don´t know about his extraordinaire experience in general. I for sure see him as an authority when it comes to beautiful made opinion pieces, reviews, visual essays, fantastic retrospectives of gear and greatly spoken words.

I don´t think comparing footage is bizarre, neither shooting and comparing it oneself, especially ahead of shooting pieces for others or for jobs.

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1 hour ago, PannySVHS said:

 

@Mattias Burling, I hope you find the right answer to your request regarding CineD quality on the G9. Interesting sidenote: EBU has rated the GH5s with DR in HLG, CineD and VLOG at 13 plus stops.

Even more than Panasonic themselves claim. I will have my salt shaker ready for them in the future :)

 

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44 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

Even more than Panasonic themselves claim. I will have my salt shaker ready for them in the future :)

 

So, when you gonna try an 80mpixel portrait of Gunpowder with your new/used:) G9? You would need her in a calm position though:)

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