gt3rs

If I got it right from the cinema5d article it seems that Resolve 14 beta is already able to edit the Raw Light, it would be cool to have even only 10-20 seconds raw file to try it out. Any raw light around?

Worst case scenario we get 300 Mbits XF-AVC 8bit 4:2:2 on CFast, best case scenario we get 400 Mbits XF-AVC 10bit 4:2:2 on SD card.... in 1/2 year we will know.

I'm quite sure that they don't have it yet out just to protect the C300 II and not piss the owners. 

57 minutes ago, TheRenaissanceMan said:

It depends. If it's 8-bit, no. That'll just make it a suitable spec for broadcast. If it still only holds 13 stops of DR, then also no. I can get 13+ stops in 10-bit with many other cameras for less. If it only records to CFast and not SD, no again. It's less data that Raw Light, but still requires an expensive investment in a media format I can't use in many other cameras (almost never work with Alexa mini, use SSDs on the UM46) and don't think will ultimately survive.

CFast is today the best compromise in speed, size, power consumption and price. In fact at least 3 camera manufacturers use/supports them: Arri, Blackmagic and Canon. Canon has 6 cameras with CFast support: C200, C300 II, C700, XC10, XC15 and 1Dx II. There are at least 4 manufacturer of CFast: Sandisk, Lexar, Transcend, Delking. Too me it looks like an healthy ecosystem.

CFast is based on proven PC technology and are basically a mini SSD based on eSATA and use the same/similar NAND memory as most SSD. They are already available in 512 GB size and I'm sure we sill soon see 1TB ones view that they share the similar tech as SSDs. The cool thing that are very fast when connected to a PC so when I need a quick turnaround I can even edit directly from the CFast card.

I much prefer a standard with an ecosystem that custom proprietary solutions also based around SSD like RED that are even more expensive or even DJI with Inspire 2.
In theory every camera could have a eSATA connection/slot and use standard SSD but the power consumption and size would make difficult to use in camera like the 1Dx II, XC10/15 etc... even on a C200 would require it to be bigger in size, with M.2 would be a bit better but still require space.

I agree CFast will not survive, like floppy, VHS, CD, Microdrive etc.... even today HD will probably be extinct at some point but CFast in the next few years it seems like a safe bet. In 5-6 years from now 512 GB would be a small size.... people have 256 GB thumb stick today...

There are some new fast SD cards but they still are quite unreliable in maintaining sustained write speed and the camera needs to have an interface that really push that bitrate and they are still about 50% of the speed of CFast. At the end It all depends how good is the SD interface of the C200 and how much test Canon will/want to invest to be able to reliable save 300/400 Mbits XF-AVC directly on the SD slot. But I do agree it would be cool if they enable this.

1 hour ago, Django said:

Well the absence of mid/high range codecs does seem a little odd on the C200 even though better codecs seem planned for next year..

It is great news to me though that Canon have included internal RAW recording. That along 4K, Touch screen, DPAF and improved ergonomics make this camera almost a no brainer.

I do think that it's competitors aren't so much mirrorless/DSLRs but Ursa Mini Pro, EVA1 & FS5/7 etc

Now about the RAW debate, it's true it's not for everyone or every project. The size & workflow are definitely hard to manage. I'll admit I seldom use ML Raw on my 5D3 even though it's footage & resolving power beats by far any of my other cams.. but that also has to do with ML Raw workflow which has added perks..

Even a show like Netflix's 13 reasons Why which was shot on Varicam35 that supports RAW was recorded in AVC-Intra 444 (12-bit) to handle decent file sizes, fast workflow yet deep grading capabilities.. YMMV

 

I agree with you with you and as reference the Varicam35 AVC-Intra 444 in 4k is around 750 Mbits in 444 24p and 940 Mbits in 422 60p not that far away from the 1000 Mbits of the C200... the C200 uses a compressed raw of 1:3 to 1:5 so it is more manageable than uncompressed RAW. The workflow is all to be seen and probably at the beginning will not be on pair to ProRes but in bitrate is there where most high end cinema camera are in ProRes or AVC.... of course this doesn't mean you will get the same quality out of a C200 as from an Alexa or Varicam.

9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Dude, there are crews with an Alexa that shoot ProRes instead of raw.

Many Alexa operators shoot in PoRes 4444 with a data rate of 1'100 Mbits per second in UHD or ca 600 Mbits in 3.2k. The other argument would be is it better ProRes 4444 or RAW Lite but your article is about GH5 vs. C200 and unfortunately both cannot do ProRes.

9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Why do you think internal raw is missing from the C300, FS7, FS5 and a bunch of other popular pro workhorses?

Because they are a bit older cameras, wanna bet that the C300 III will have RAW Lite?

9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Storage in 2 or 3 years would be cheaper and cheaper and there will be 8-10 TB SSD for 500-600 USD...  

This is pure speculation!

If you call it speculation.... https://www.extremetech.com/computing/236260-samsung-plants-to-slash-ssd-prices-to-hard-drive-levels-by-2020

9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

1 hour of footage = 512GB of CFast 2.0 media

It will be a top quality card as pros don't risk an entire day's shoot for the sake of saving a few quid.

And performance of the card will be a factor.

So you are talking £4900 of media to get you through just 7 hours of shooting, assuming you have one camera at the wedding / commercial / live event / interview. If it is two cameras double your costs to £10k.

 

I have 3 256 GB Lexar CFast card so I'm aware of the cost and I wrote in my post that at the end is budget issue and not a technical one.

It takes ca. 11 minutes to offload from my 256 CFast card to an SSD or RAID storage so you could work with 3 x 256 or 2 x 512 CFast.....

9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

It's a big expense and hassle either way you look at it and it won't catch on, thus raw will not be mainstream with pros via the C200.

Time will tell but just don't underestimate the storage and computational progress

Again with this camera you will have 150 Mbits MP4 (will it be better or worst than GH5 at this data rate? who knows), with the firmware update 300 or 400 Mbits ALL-I and 1 Gbits RAW Lite... I don't really see where the problem is.

But I'm sure if the quality in RAW is there and an optimized workflow similar to RED Raw or Cinema DNG will be in place and at the moment is all to be proven, many C200 will use RAW more and more in the years to come.

4 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

I think 95% using MP4 is very realistic, on average we bring in 100GB per day of footage in MP4, can't image what RAW will gonna bring, we have delicated file server to put our files.

In your case then even the very agonized 400 Mbits will be too much..... you will have 100 Mbits LGOP MP4, 300 or 400 Mbits ALL-I (after the firmware) and 1 Gbits RAWLite not sure where the problem is, this camera would cover many scenarios...

3 minutes ago, mercer said:

But I'm unsure you'll need to. I just had a look at a screenshot of Canon Raw Development 2.0 and it looks like there are controls to process the Raw footage before you transcode it... but this is just a guess because the screenshot just showed WB and Sharpness. Also, I assume, the TBA plug ins will work like Resolve's Raw Tab works with CDNGs... but again too early to know for sure. 

I'm pretty sure that in Resolve it will be like it is for RED Raw or Cinema DNG so no need to transcode it.

I do not agree with the article and I believe this camera will bring RAW much more mainstream.

95% that will buy the C200 will use the MP4 seems very unrealistic, I bet most people that will buy this camera would use the RAW format a lot and RAW will become the mainstream like it is for photos for most photographer. Storage in 2 or 3 years would be cheaper and cheaper and there will be 8-10 TB SSD for 500-600 USD... 

I expect Resolve to be able to edit the Canon RAW lite soon and in real-time without any transcoding like it does for other RAW formats. Canon already states this so is just a mater of time. Btw at the beginning even the beloved GH5 format was an issue with most NLE.

1 Gbits it is a lot but I do a lot at 800 Mbits MJPG (that I edit in real-time without transcoding even from the CFast directly) and is perfectly manageable. Naturally if you are in long documentaries then maybe is not a camera for you but for the rest I bet it will be a super camera. I agree with the post above that when 1 year ago the 500 Mbits 1Dx II was labeled as insane and a year later everybody is eagerly awaiting the 400 Mbits GH5 firmware..... just fast forward one year and you will know that 1 GBits will not be that much of an issue.

Again not sure what is the point to compare a GH5 with a C200 that does 4k 60 RAW with 15 stops DR with ND filters and a great AF on CFast (super fast download to a pc because are basically SSDs). Then I could pint out that the best workflow would be an iPhone as it does 4k and you can edit directly in iMovie on the phone itself and delivery directly to the web:-) no downloading or transcoding needed.... why people use Arri or Red instead of iPhone is beyond any rationale:-)

I'm quite sure that the sensor is a new one from the C300 II or C700.

Can you do amazing stuff with the GH5? Absolutely.
Does it cost less that the C200? Absolutely.
But if people would have the budget to buy the C200 + CFast cards I'm sure nobody would hesitate one second to pick the C200 instead of the GH5. At the end is a budget problem and not a technology issue.

If the quality of the RAW is as good as I expect this camera will rival the much more expensive cinema camera out there and from canon it was not expected.....

21 minutes ago, joema said:

From one viewpoint the FS5 or C200 compared to a GH5 are the world's most expensive ND filters.

 

 

On the same thinking you would say that the Alexa is the most useless camera because is not even 4k and iPhone is the best news camera, it can even live stream and it better AF than a GH5....

I think the C200 is not a camera for every task but if somebody wants high quality with high grading capability in a package that really works this is it. If I do only interviews or low cost weddings it is surely not the camera that I would buy but if I do advertisements, high value doc, etc... is imo a super device.

This thing does 4k 60p in RAW on non proprietary media, proxy on the SD, LUT monitoring, PDAF, ND Filters, XLR and a touchscreen that you can mount on a gimbal and it even includes the wifi for 7500 usd and people still complain......

They promise the XF-AVC for next year probably to not piss the C300 owners until a new version is announced.

Curious to see the RAW video quality and how is the workflow in Resolve. Most probably they use something similar to RED with JPEG2000 compression on every frame.... so it should be editable in real-time on a good PC.

5 hours ago, DaveAltizer said:

 

I have found a very significant different in my MJPG 4k because of that 4:2:2 codec. Its great...once you transcode it...

 

What kind of software / hw are you using for editing?

In Resolve basically any quad core i7 with a gtx 1050 and up is able to edit in real-time the MJPEG even at 4k 60fps.

I even tested on a Dell XPS Notebook i7 7700HQ, GTX 1050 4 GB Vram, 16 GB Ram, SSD and it is fast enough for real-time editing,  scrubbing is super fast and you can even do some real-time grading.   

The AF on the 1Dx II is really good, this is a test video for a project I will do for in August... don't look at the exposure issues because it was a 1h test mostly to see how to combine a DJI P4p and the 1Dx II. There are some scenes at speed on the skates filmed at 24 at 1.4 on the Ronin M using AF and it keeps up quite well... Filmed with both cameras at 4k but there are quite a bit of moments that I'm digitally zooming at 2x.

2 hours ago, mercer said:

 

Does the 1DX2 shoot 120fps at 1080p or 720p?

120 is at 1080p but is a bit on the soft side so probably is around 720p real resolution... comparing 4k 60fps to 1080p 120fps is really day and night but for short scenes I tend to use it quite a bit when I know that 60fps would not be enough... 

On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 9:33 AM, Shirozina said:

Just like laptop CPU's the GPU's run a lot slower than their desktop counterparts due to heat issues but generally these gaming laptops do look like they offer certain advantages over normal 'business' laptops. I have to ask why anyone would want to do any serious editing with a laptop in the first pace even if it's performance is boosted with a  good GPU. I use a laptop for rough edits, reviewing footage, transferring camera files to HD's while on location etc but for any serious editing or grading I'd wait until I got back to the studio and had a desktop PC and multi screen setup.

We have done comparative tests with Resolve between a desktop i7 6800 6 cores with a GTX 1070 8 GB Vram and a 15 inch 2.3 Kg gaming notebook 4 cores  i7 7700HQ with a GTX 1070 8 GB Vram both equipped with an M.2 SSD and the difference is not that much basically in order of a few fps. The new NVidia GTX 1070/80 for notebooks are not that much slower than the desktop counterpart just google to see various benchmark, it is not like the old Mobile versions.

I'm a lot on the road and having everything with me and being able to edit and grade quickly is very important, naturally at the desk with a great 4k monitor is better but no need to move hdd, cables, sync software settings etc.. Also being able to do changes in an efficient way at customer side is also quite valuable in the way I work.
Considering that a gaming notebook is not that much more expensive than a desktop counterpart for Windows / Resolve user is not a too bad option. The notebook has a 512 M.2 and I have added an internal 2TB SDD so no need of external enclosure etc.. once in the office I backup and archive on an external raid system.
Buying both a desktop and a powerful enough notebook is also quite expensive and without a good GPU Resolve is really bad in perf. Also if need to deliver something at customer side and you need to render 4k in resolve with less than 4 GB vram good luck..

Naturally if you are editing or grading multicam 4k or Raw or 8k then a powerful dual cpu and gpu workstation is another story but also price range. Also if you always edit grade in your studio then a powerful desktop is the best option. The good news that there are solution for every type of work today either desktop, notebook or egpu....

16 hours ago, sandro said:

Does it support proxy editing like premiere pro?

It has proxy generation and workflow support... it is called optimize media. In V14 they have finally add the possibility to link back to the optimize media in case you move stuff around. There is also something called proxy mode that allow you to output on the screen at 1/2 or 1/4 resolution for preview where you don't need to regenerate the file, it is good in case you have an edit friendly codec but your machine is too slow to preview it at full resolution especially while grading.

On Windows with many gaming notebooks available with either a GTX 1070 or 1080 that have basically the same perf as the desktop counterpart card an eGPU doesn't make too much sense. If you buy a notebook is for the portability so these new gaming notebooks allow you to edit on the road with no issue at all. I have a ASUS 15'' i7 7700HQ with a GTX 1070 with 8 GB Vram and I can do real-time editing and grading on a 4k timeline is Resolve.

On ‎4‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 2:37 AM, jcs said:

I think it's important to learn multiple tools. There will be times when your primary tool has issues (bugs, or performance issues etc.) which another tool won't have, so you have options to move forward and aren't stuck. Resolve 14 plays the 1DX II 4K 8-bit 420 files OK, however still struggles with C300 II 4K 10-bit 422 files (both OpenCL and CUDA on OSX; will try on Win10Pro at some point). Hopefully they'll get performance sorted by the time beta is complete.

I'll purchase the $300 version, however I'd prefer to have online activation vs. a USB dongle as I switch frequently between OSX and Windows (and multiple machines + laptops).

On a Win10 gaming notebook i7 7700HQ, GTX 1070 8 GB Vram, 16 GB ram, in Resolve v14b I can do real time edit and quite a bit of grading nodes in real-time on 4k timeline with 1Dx II 4k 4:2:2  MJPEG files at 60fps.

I did test h264 files with the new v14b, especially Phantom 4 Pro files.... 4k UHD up to 30 fps perf is quite good, 4k DCI or 4k > 30 fps is not usable without reverting to optimize media. Anyway a big improvements over v12 where h264 4k editing was just impossible with optimize media.

3 hours ago, Shirozina said:

Stabiliser yes but not noise reduction 

Correct and btw the new Stabilizer seems to finally work well. I did a few test with scenes that I could not really stabilize with the old v12.5 stabilizer and the new one seems to do the job. It is also more intuitive how it works.

The beta is still quite a bit buggy but a lot of key improvements...as a longtime Resolve user I'm pretty excited about this release.

The Kodak is in the same ball back as the Nikon and Samsung basically a consumer quality camera that is far away from what professional work would require. Significantly better is a bold statement that I really do see and it has even more issues with stitching due to the cameras being more far apart. It is also cumbersome not being an integrated device but two separate ones with two cards two batteries..... Here a test between these cameras: http://360rumors.blogspot.com/2016/11/4k-360-video-camera-shootout-samsung.html
Anyway it was a first good approach but it is at end of life, in fact Kodak has created a new model that removes the biggest flaw of the one that you recommend creating a single device with dual cameras like the samsung and nikon: https://kodakpixpro.com/Americas/cameras/vrcamera/orbit3604k/

But again all these consumers "dual" camera are not that great so I would spend less than possible for example 200 USD for the Samsung and experiment and once mastered the challenges of 360 video move up to a more professional rig.

Samsung needs a Samsung phone to remotely control it but you can use it even without a phone as I do because it has a menu system in the camera. Nikon is more compatible with many phones but it has a challenging wificonnection and is more expensive. Also the Nikon does the stitching in the camera that has the advantage of convenience but you loose the flexibility to use 3 party software for better stich. Quality wise are very similar. I have a Samsung my colleague a Nikon.

Apparently Samsung is about to update their 360 camera in the next month but at the moment is a rumors.

For better quality you would need a 6 cameras rig that creates a 8k video and then have an 8k delivery platform. 4k for 360 video is not enough because you see only part of the sphere and you are zoomed in. Insta360 has created Pro 8K 360 around 3k usd that sounds like a possible step up but we need to see how it perform in real life.... http://www.insta360.com/product/insta360-pro/

I agree with the previous two post.

Basically you have the Samsung gear 360 and the Nikon KeyMission 360 as consumers and easy to use solution. You can create okish quality content that can still generate the wow effect if the subject/story is great but technically the result is far away from pro quality that we are used on video today. The potential is there but is just too early at this price point (200-500 USD). I have and use quite a bit the Samsung 360 and for the price is good for learning and producing some experiment.

Next is the Gopro OMNI that produce better quality video but there is a much more work in the process. Cost around 5k USD

Then Nokia Ozo that is probably today the best quality but is very expensive at 45k USD

First thing to do IMO is to grab a google cardboard and look at many YouTube 360 videos available done with these cameras to get an idea. You need a phone with a great screen and remember to set the quality of the YouTube video to 4k before putting it in to the cardboard. Normally it defaults to a lower resolution.

This is a good one to start watching (cardboard required to get a real feeling of the potential of 360 videos) this one was done with 6 Gopro's similar to the Gopro OMNI rig:

Some lenses are nosier than other for example I have no problem with the 24 1.4 and the 50 1.2 with the 1dx II and the rode videomic pro directly on the hotshoe. But the easiest solution is to buy a small arm for the hotshoe and move up and further in front the mic and problem solved. Personally I would not buy STM lenses just for this.

On ‎2‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 11:19 PM, Eduardo Portas said:

Hey! Care to comment about the rolling shutter issues on these cameras?

There are very little actual tests online comparing the 1DC to other Canon cameras in that regard.

Thanks.

https://***URL not allowed***/canon-1d-x-mark-ii-vs-canon-1d-c-which-one-shoots-better-video/

https://***URL not allowed***/rolling-shutter-sony-a7s-vs-arri-amira-canon-c300-5d-mark-iii-1dc-panasonic-gh4/

Basically 14ms for the 1Dx II and 25ms for the 1Dc

3 hours ago, Evolvnyc said:

 

the 1dc 4k footage (and ff 1080) are superior (and sharper) than the 1dxm2, not to mention c-log.

Can you prove me that other than the s35 mode the 1dc is sharper and superior?

Also the 1dx ii has much less rolling shutter....

4 hours ago, Kisaha said:

Yes, my first concern is that I am going to crash it the second battery.

Second concern, is how much flight time I need for some worthy shots (just the basics),

Third, I really do not like the image quality of the previous ones (and action cameras), actually I detest them, so for a crash cam, I am using a small ASP-C mirrorless with a fish eye on it, much much better image quality, so the new P4p camera seems like a must for everyone (old footage wasn't cut greatly with our advanced mirrorless and intercheangable video cameras).

With all these said, I ideally would like a Mavic size one! With the Phantoms, you always need space on a car, no other option, and I favor light and easy carry equipment (that's why mirrorless, that's why APS-C native lenses, etc etc).

Thank you very much for your information. It needs some thinking, a used P3p can be a good idea for the begining, but the safety features and sensors of the newer ones worth the extra 1000€?!

To give you an idea this video (again just a test nothing really good) I took it after 7h of total fly time:

Attempting the same maneuvers with a toy drone as you have I would have crashed 50 times:-). If you come from the toy drones that are great to learn the basics you will find the stability of the phantom another world. Prior to the phantom I did fly maybe a total of 2h with the hubsan toy drone (5 min max flight with a battery:-( )

Btw the two videos are not my style of work, I do mostly sports/action so I'm just learning to be able to use it for MTB, Ski, Trial, Horseback riding, Icehockey, etc... to intercut with normal gimbal and tripod work.

For me the key point is always if I will use it or not. I only add stuff to my arsenal that I really use.... so I tend to have a few but great stuff that tons of gears that I rarely use.  

2 hours ago, OliKMIA said:

The Mavic can be found at several US dealers or last minute deal on walk-in (Best Buy, Apple, Drone Nerds) but the current Chinese New Year celebration is not making things easy.

As for IQ, the P3P and Mavic can do the job for most situation, TV included. Of course it won't be high end Hollywood stuff but until the Inspire 2 and P4P came out two months ago the entire drone operators world did fine for the last 2 years with the P3, P4, Inspire X3 and X5, all maxing out at 60mbps.
All the sudden the P3P and Mavic IQ is not acceptable anymore ? Did the media agencies and customers drastically changed their requirements over the last 2 months ?

Of course 100mpbs is welcome and the P4P is great but I wouldn't discard the previous generation of drone especially if you are new into this. Remember there was only 8 months between the P4 and P4P announcement !

Be careful as there is a lot of fake batteries online and the DJI drones really don't like non-standard battery especially since they are "smart" units with the controller and regulator chip inside the battery. It's not just about the quality of the LiPo cell but how well or how bad the Drone and fake/non official battery will communicate. Things can get ugly very fast with wrong firmware and software issue. You can totally crash because a good 70% full battery will suddenly be seen as empty by the drone for instance, triggering the auto-land procedure...

This is why I said "if budget is not an issue". To me it seems that he is mostly afraid of crashing it or not being able to fly it because is to difficult. Having flew only toy drone before I can reassure the OP that the Phantom/Mavic are super easy to fly and most people crash them due to over confidence. It gives you almost too much confidence on how stable and easy is to fly.

IMO is not the 60 vs. 100 mbits but the adjustable aperture, dynamic range and better low light that makes the difference. For people that wants to fly for fun and do some video the Mavic is amazing, if the goal is commercial work then for the price difference P4p it is a no brain. Of course you can create great content with p3p, p4, mavic as you can do it with a 5d II but most people don't buy a 5d II anymore.... is not only the camera but the P4p is faster than the p4/mavic with obstacle avoidance enabled and also have backwards obstacle avoidance, it has a super handy mode for slow cinematic takes called tripod mode (mavic has it too) etc... Also the video signal although not yet perfect is much more stable than the p3p.

Here in Switzerland the major DJI reseller is selling the original battery at 110$ like most store here, no ebay or strange non reputable stores... It seems that they are all discounting the battery due to the new ones (ca. 2-3 minutes more fly time). But for the price you can buy 3 battery for less than two new ones.

If budget is not an issue buy the p4p with DJI care if available in your country (assurance for crash even by pilot mistake), if you don't use it you can sell used for a really good price.... if budget is an issue buy a used p3p... Mavic and P4 are not really worth at current price if the main goal is video for commercial.

13 hours ago, Kisaha said:

@gt3rs thanks for the encouraging comments! I do realize that the P4p specs are the only "useful" ones for less than 2000 euros, I am not consider using it as a highly pro drone pilot, so I am not sure the amount of money I have to spend are justified, maybe what the wise @OliKMIA said is the best option, find a cheap used one, try it for a couple of months, and then if I see I can do "great" things with it, to go for the P4p one. 

Your video was only a test? I was expecting a few static (tripod) shots of the place and the villa, it could have been brilliant!

That place, I can die there. Is it Austrian Alps? 

Yes only a test. I was playing around with the various mode like orbit, active track etc... I was there for a weekend vacation with my girlfriend. I had the drone since 3 days and only 1 battery. The video is just ok it has tons of issues and as you can see I stayed quite far away from the hotel/villa because the drone was soo new to me that I didn't one to take risks.

Location is over Lucerne in the Swiss Alps.

If the budget is not an issue and you really want to use it for commercial work the P4p is the best choice. Camera has much more DR than gopro, mavic, p4, p3p et… has variable aperture so you can use it to control the shutter speed in changing light without need to change ND filter (for sunny day you still need an ND filter). Also the 4k 60p (althrough is using line skipping so is not same quality as the 4k 30p) is handy for smooth moves especially if you slow them down in post.

I have p4p and I flew before only toys drones and I’m not good at flying them. The p4p is super easy to fly and incredible stable. In tripod mode is also very slow and stable that you can pull some shots in very close proximity of branches etc…

Now I have more than 20h of fly time, but this video I did after only 50min fly time and as I said never flew a big drone (video is far from perfect but it was literally my 4th fly): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgLfAMh4Miw

For any commercial work you need at least 3 battery. I brought two additional p4 batteries that you can find at least here around 100-110 usd (they last 2 minutes less that the new p4p battery).

I always wanted to have a drone to add some scenes to my work but I was always put down by the camera quality. The p4p is the first “compact” and “affordable” that you can start working with.

It has the dual output because it has the jack and plus the multipin plug (just below the jack) you can see it on the video at 4:00, but not sure if they work both at the same time and the jack processed and the other not and what kind of device you would need for the b-format. On Rode website they have no info yet....