gt3rs

4 minutes ago, Alt Shoo said:

I agree with the cinema camera option in this price range and I’m a little hesitant, but I am leaning towards purchasing the GFX 100. I can wait a bit longer with hopes Fuji would surprise the industry and release an extremely video centric version of this camera. But more than likely I will end up with this camera. 
 

I never been attracted to full frame because I feel you can mimic it with wider lenses for the relative shot, sorta, but this is actually the first time I’ve seen the difference between sensors and its size. 

Did you shoot in the past with an MF camera?

Not sure how fast is the GFX100 as I never used one but the few MF cameras that I tried they were just very slow in all like startup, time to review picture, zoom in, next picture etc. hopefully today they are much faster.

Are you shooting primarily video or photo?

For video the GFX 100 give you the MF size but the rest for the price IMO is pretty mehh, not usable AF in video, no 4:2:2, no 60p..... for similar price I would take the FX9 anytime or as a stretch a C500 II because with the saving in lenses you will have similar total budget. Depending on that choice add a Canon R or A7 III.

If mostly photo and you really want highres I would pick the A7 IV.

8 minutes ago, Rinad Amir said:

Id be honest @gt3rs h265 is the worst codec to work with 4k is nightmare choppy as fuck

Thats from mavic pro 2 anyways 

my pc spec

i7 8700k oc 5ghz

64gb ram

2tb ssd samsung evo

1080 ti 11gb and 

Windows 10pro

What program do you use for editing?

Kind of fun when the 1dx ii came out here everybody complaining about the old codec (although super fast for editing) now that they use the most modern one everybody complain that is bad because slow to edit.... 

2 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Probably the Fuji. The 1DX is just a little outdated at least body wise and the codec isn't good enough to justify it. Much cheaper lesnes though. 

Codec isn’t good enough?

5.5k RAW 

4k DCI 4:2:2 10bit log h265

4k DCI 4:2:0 8bit h264

4k UHD 4:2:2 10bit log h265

4k UHD 4::2:0 8bit h264

Seems to me that the codec choice is just great.

I want to see a video that shows setting 5.5k RAW 30p and then performing AF while recording. People can say what they want and with so many YouTube rush preview of the preview of the preview of the preview reviews 🙂 I don't trust any. I prefer to trust the spec (hopefully these are correct)

1Dx III as I mostly shoot action so the fps for still and 60fps and 120fps for video are very important.

Plus medium format has more limited lens selection and no real long lenses. MF lens are even more bulky than FF ones.

Last but not least I have a good selection of Canon lenses.

I did not check footage of the GFX 100 so not sure on the impact but is 10bit 4:2:0 and not 4:2:2 and max 30fps... 5 fps still is very slow for any action.

Imo GFX 100 is a landscape camera if that is your primary goal then is probably a great camera and 1Dx is the wrong one. But anything fast paced or need long reach then GFX is not a great choice.

If primary goal is video a C500 II or FX9 is a much better choice.

Not really sure why your question because are so opposite these two cameras.

Did the user check at 30p RAW or above? 

Could be that two different spec sheets, one in europe and one in usa, are both wrong but would be a big mistake.

As I stated on a previous thread view that camera can shot at 20 fps RAW 14bit photo with AF tracking does not seems impossible at least at 24/25 fps RAW video.

But yeah if people could check would be great.

2 hours ago, Django said:

Hope to get some hands-on time with a unit next week at a preview event. Anything particular you guys would like to know?

Would be cool to check:

- if it can really AF at 5.5k RAW 30p (spec says so but with all the confusion is better to check)

- if you can take a frame grab from the 5.5k RAW and save it as jpg

- if it can write the same 10bit video on two cards in parallel (RAW card 1 and 4k proxy on card 2 works, so I'm curios for two 4k videos)

- Quality of 120fps FHD, not easy to check but maybe they let you bring home 1 TB CFExpress as a gift 🙂 

- If histogram is available while recording (I doubt)

- if the 30min limit is there or not (not sure they let you run a long test)

- Latency on wifi while monitoring the video over a phone

9 minutes ago, androidlad said:

No crop and AF is available.

1080p quality is identical to 1DX II, anisotropic sharpness/detail up to 30p, then softens from 50 to 120p.

On my 1Dx II in 4k 60p vs 30p has exactly the same sharpness and quality. 120fps FHD is quite soft. 50/60 fps FHD I have no idea as I never used that mode

1 hour ago, Rinad Amir said:

This could be true as marketing boost for sales

For one that they have a good video for promo instead on the usual bad ones.....

Not sure I could say is better the 120fps quality because it is a different stage from where I use the 1Dx II.... ski, ice hockey, mtb or horse show jumping would have been better for me to compare. 
I highly doubt that they can do 120fps supersampling and seen that the C500 II has a huge crop at 120fps I tend to think that it will be about the same as the 1Dx II pixel binning 120fps quality but at least we gain log and better bitrate so maybe a tad better due to this it will be.

18 minutes ago, Rinad Amir said:

Does it do 120fps 10bit slomo? Can anyone confirm it?

Yes, it is in the canon whitepaper: FF fhd 120fps 10bit 4:2:2 h265 CLog.

Hope the quality is better than the 1Dx II. 

3 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

 

First time I've seen this table.

So that settles it then.

It is only at 60P DPAF packs up and goes home.

They should reword the sentence to :"Dual Pixel AF operates in all modes except for 4K 60/50p and RAW 60/50p"

Otherwise you can take it to read it doesn't work in any non-crop 4K mode at all.

The communication and wording is super crap. I think once they saw the confusion they should have printed big and make it clear like you said.

Btw the table is liked in the spec pdf from the USA web site. 

The table is clear no AF in RAW 50/60 and FF 4k 50/60 not to hard to read.

Same is the Europe spec: * Dual Pixel AF operates in all modes except for none crop 4K or RAW at 60p/50p recording." 

It is so hard to understand that the only two camera on the world that can do FF at 50/60 with AF have big cooling fan and at least double of the body size. From the same manufacture and about the same pixel count. For sure Canon decided to put fan just for fun so they are not weather sealed. So yeah cripple hammer.

You guys should write some high throughput parallel code on non active cooled cpu and then you will realize how hard is to keep it stable running. 

13 minutes ago, Eno said:

You should check you fact! NO, the 1DX mk3 does not have PDAF "enabled" in RAW video at any frame rate!

Yea right you should not trust youtubers and news guy wanna be but check the official spec: https://www.canon-europe.com/cameras/eos-1d-x-mark-iii/professional-filmmaking/

"Dual Pixel CMOS AF

When shooting video, Dual Pixel AF provides smooth focusing on objects selected by tapping the camera screen (or the screen of a smart device running the Canon Camera Connect app).* Faces and other objects can be tracked around the frame and the camera will smoothly re-focus to keep them sharp. You can even select which eye the focusing system should prioritise, or leave the camera to select the nearest to the camera.

* Dual Pixel AF operates in all modes except for none crop 4K or RAW at 60p/50p recording."

https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/eos/1d-x-mark-iii/specs/eos-1-d-x-mark-iii-specifications.pdf

(5472 x 2886)
59.94 fps* 29.97 fps 24.00 fps 23.98 fps
RAW
4K DCI (4096 x 2160)
59.94 fps* 29.97 fps 24.00 fps 23.98 fps
ALL-I IPB
4K UHD (3840 x 2160)
59.94 fps* 29.97 fps
ALL-I IPB
4K DCI (cropped) (4096 x 2160)
59.94 fps 29.97 fps 24.00 fps 23.98 fps
ALL-I IPB
Full HD (1920 x 1080)
119.90 fps** 59.94 fps 23.98 fps^
ALL-I IPB
29.97 fps
ALL-I IPB IPB (Light)
* AF does not function. ** Audio not recorded at High Frame Rate 119.90 fps recording ^ 24p recording will be supported through firmware update after shipping.

21 minutes ago, Eno said:

Should I mention that Canon braves itself with the "new Digic X processor purportedly offers 3.1x faster image processing and 380x faster computing performance relative to the older Mark II", that can't handle AF during 4k 60p with no crop or RAW 30p. So you tell me if either Canon are lying about it's capabilities and it's not that fast or they intentionally crippled the AF in 4K 60p and RAW recording? I bet it is the latter, they are masters at crippling user desired features!

The camera reads the RAW data in any mode and the card reader writes the data anyway (until it's limit speed). The lack of AF during RAW recording is indeed just a "cartel crippling" as you personally said.

You should check your facts because 1dx iii can perfectly AF at FF 5.5k 30p RAW it cannot at 60p

Second the camera reads RAW in buffer then you need to do AF and in parallel compress the RAW data write to the card and process a 4k supersample proxy 10bit 4:2:2 and write to a second card all in 16ms max. But yeah is crippling as everybody has this tech and spec in a weather sealed body.....

1 hour ago, Eno said:

This is pure BS you know? Reading RAW sensor data is easier than reading and encoding it. There is absolutely NO technical reason why there is NO AF on RAW output on 1Dx3 but the Canon crippling hammer!

You need to process these pixels to do the AF while you are reading and pumping out to a CFExpress card in parallel in a weather sealed body..... No one as done it yet in a sealed body..... and with fan only two cameras that starts at 16k usd did achieve this….. So yes there is not technical reason is just a cartel crippling 🙂

6 minutes ago, Eno said:

 

Also look at Canon, they finally gave 4K 60p with no crop and raw video but it is without PDAF. I bet they all have a cartel agreement between them so that no one offers a products that will bring out of the business the others.

Yes "really finally" because there a are soo many others camera and manufacture that offer 4k 60p FF with AF 😉:

A wait only C700FF and C500 II have it.

It is an huge amount of data to read and process in a small not ventilated camera. No cartel of whatsoever..... just cost and tech challenges.  

5 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Yeah, I know even "simple" things take time to do. 

But implementing 24fps should be relatively low hanging fruit here, it's not like we're asking for 240fps!

And a *LOT* of content still today gets shot in 1080, thus it is kinda cruel to leave it out at launch. Shows their priorities, pretty low for videomakers. 

FF 5.5k up to 60fps and FF 4k up to 60fps 10bit Log yes I agree Canon priorities for video makers are pretty low for this camera. 

Who would ever spend 6.5k usd for delivering 1080 can pick tons of other much cheaper cameras? It is good that they will add it as fw update and I’m sure will be the least used feature for the buyers of this camera.

You seems frustrated and trying to find wrong things on this camera at all costs. You don’t like it, too expensive for you, ok so move on.... the good news is that you don’t need to buy it?

9 hours ago, Emanuel said:

 

Just a comment line. In a word to say the least: Impressive. The best bang for the buck today : -)

Only static shoot on the last video, camera is fixed on a tripod. Other test did not seems to show too much gain in details for reframed video. Photos seems a good step up but I don’t care too much for 360 photos. For me the interesting part is the reframing and there it does not seems to gain that much if any....

Did order the one R as I use quite a bit the one X as action camera but not being waterproof and the very fragile mount and no lens protection is a pain. I have the venture case but is the worst thing I brought the stitching even with the flag for venture case is quite bad. If it is good I will sell the one X. 

I did take a loom at the 8k quocam but no exchangeable battery, size and same fragile construction is not well suited as action cam.

Waiting for review of the 1’ module if it is good I will buy it to replace my gopro 4.....

23 minutes ago, androidlad said:

With 60fps full 5.5K readout, the rolling shutter isn't going to be higher than 16.7ms.

Yes I think you are right but also at 24fps should be the same as you read then wait then read etc no?

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

Delaying 4K 60fps is understandable due to bandwidth limitations / processing power limitations to work around. 

But you can't say the same about 1080 24p 

That is like me saying I'm going to run a sub 3hr Boston Marathon qualifier in a couple of month's time, but I can't go for a half hour 3 mile jog with you because it is too fast / too long for me to handle. 

That just doesn't add up

Do a read on how to manage a software backlog  in a large team with priorities, cost, velocity etc. Also do a read on test driven development and you realize how much more time it takes even for a few line of code especially when you are so close to deliver a final release. 

But yea is typical Canon crippling for a few month to protect xyz camera?

In fact Canon will lose tons of sales due to people waiting for the firmware to add 1080 24fps.....

You should be happy that Canon finally is all in at least with the 1dx iii and c500 ii... more competition is always good. I’m a Canon user but I’m super happy that Panasonic, Fuji and Blackmagic continue to innovate and push the boundary. I’m sure without them there would be no improvements on Canon video part in dslr...

I hope that they will be all in also on the R and M camera in the future...

47 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

 

Not being able to do 60fps is usually due to a technical limitation they're still working on. 

 

You've got no such excuse for excluding 24fps 

I don't want to start an argument here as there was a long full wrong info thread on the 24p for Canon.

Sony and Canon did omit a feature that will be released as firmware, so it means no technical issue but did not have enough time, man power or priority to finish it in time. If it would be a big technical challenge it would be a huge risk to officially announce that you will deliver this feature in a future firmware update and you may never get it done. When you write software you always have trade off in term of priorities vs time to implement vs. available dev time and testing costs. Sony decided to postpone 4k 60p, canon 1080 24p to me it seems the same issue, I do agree that probably Sony 60p work is much bigger especially for long run tests. 

What is you conspiracy theory to omit 1080 24p and announce that it will come as firmware update? Is to protect for 2-3 months a C500 II ?? 

Anyway in general I hate this new trend of unfinished software for camera with promises that can take even 1 year....

 

11 hours ago, Matthew19 said:

No it happens in video mode as well. I saw it in another review. It’s no good at all. Gimbal work could be messy with this. I’ll see when it gets here. 

Indeed it does not look great, let see the measurements.

Canon C500 II FF sensor also around 20 Mpixels has a rolling shutter of 15.9ms in FF so they would have the tech do have good rolling shutter.... Also view that one of the advertised feature is to take picture at full res in RAW at 20fps fully silent I hope they have a good rolling shutter but the video posted does not look promising.

6 hours ago, IronFilm said:

"No 1080 at 24p"

 

????

?‍♂️

Classic Canon at it again ?‍♂️?

Kinda defeats the purpose of being a small camera with great AF if you can't effectively use it on a gimbal ??‍♂️?‍♂️

"No 1080 at 24p" there will be a firmware allowing this.... seems  they copy Sony in thing like for the FX9 no 4k 60p until firmware...

34 minutes ago, Django said:

 

Well I'm a C200/5D/EOS R owner and although this setup covers every scenario and allows multi-cam setups with one set of lens, I can't help but drool over this 1DX3 and it's 10-bit internal, 5.4K RAW & sports photo specs.

It could potentially replace all 3 of my Canon cams.

C200 is the toughest to let go of because its my favourite cine cam ever as far as workflow, ease of use etc. It makes everything else feel like a PITA (including my FS7). 

CRAW Lite is also a breeze to use in DavinCi with simple drag n drop of the CRM. It looks from the Canon videos you'll need a friggin utility to convert the CRM to a TIF with 1DX3 RAW (that could obviously change) and the crazy file sizes of course.

1DX3 remains tempting. Trying to resist the urge.

I really hope that more sooner than later Resolve will support this new CRM format. No interest at all to go through a middle step utility. Workflow and video quality are still the big unknown.

In your case I would wait for some comparison between the 5.5k RAW of the 1Dx to the 4k S35 C200 RAW and 4K FF 10bit vs 4K S35 8bit before taking any action. It could be a step up in quality or a Canon disaster...
I do expect also the DPAF on the 1Dx III to be a bit better than the C200 but not sure.

I wanted to add a C200 to my 1Dx II but many times I need to walk and having two cameras to carry with different battery etc. is a pita.
Also for flight traveling the space in cabin bag is super limited.

Bottom-line if it has better in video quality than the 1Dx II (as it should be) I will sell the II and buy the III, but only after some good tests.

50 minutes ago, Gregormannschaft said:

The specs are really nice, but 13 minutes or so on a 256GB card is crazy. It's nice to have the option and it's great there's a ton of codec options in there but that's a serious cinema camera bitrate for serious productions. Maybe it'll be used as a B or crash cam on some bigger productions.

I'm not entirely sure who this is for to be honest. It's a couple more grand more expensive than the C200 I bought a couple of years ago. My hopes for a middle codec have completely disappeared, but I can't see myself seriously requiring more than the Canon RawLite format. Once you start shooting in these really nice, thick codecs it quickly shows up other areas of your production that could be improved like lenses, lighting and sound. I'd argue that if you have a camera that can shoot decent RAW and you like shooting with it, there will be no real reason to upgrade for a long time. 

It's going to be too big for a lot of shooters used to mirrorless, and it's too expensive to be used as a B cam. I'm currently using the BMPCC4K as my B cam and gimbal cam and it pairs really well with the C200. You would have to have a very particular use case to warrant splashing out on the 1DXIII as a B cam.

Serious hybrid photographers maybe?

C200 and 1Dx III have the same price:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1512601-REG/canon_eos_1d_x_mark_iii.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340800-REG/canon_2215c002_eos_c200_ef_camera.html

Advantage of the C200:

Internal ND filter

Proper audio with XLR

Exposure helps like waveforms

EVF

More customization

30% smaller RAW file with proven workflow

DPAF in RAW 4k 60p

SDI

Movable LCD

Advantage of the 1Dx III:

Can take picture, actually this is the main goal of this camera.

FF vs. S35

5.5k RAW vs. 4k RAW

FF FHD 120fps with DPAF vs crop and no AF

Middle codec 10bit 4:2:2

Weather sealed

Smaller and a bit lighter

More gimbal friendly

More future proof memory cards and a bit cheaper

What we don’t know yet:

Low light performance

DR

Rolling shutter

1Dx III RAW workflow

Again if you do only video c200 is probably the better choice other than gimbal work and harsh conditions.

But if you do photo and video then it becomes more interesting especially if you are in the action/sports etc.. area.

28 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Let's say you're a pro earning $50k/yr, you want to live on a modest $35K/yr. 
That leaves $15k/yr to put into your business, which needs to cover running your website / advertising / repairs / transport /  software / training courses / insurance / legal / etc and all the other gear purchases you might want to make that year. 

Suddenly it starts to make you pause and think which to choose when you're considering a camera bodies which will cost you $700/yr vs $1200/yr. 

This is true across all businesses. (especially business which are in the same areas which people do for fun, often the serious but rich amatuers are using nicer gear than the hardworking pros!! Unless the pros are getting gear sponsorship, which for example in the case of sportspeople is often the only reason they can afford gear nicer than what your casual weekend warrior is using)

For example in my own world of production sound mixing, there is a shockingly large number of people (working on big shows too!) still using Cantar X2 / Sound Devices 788T / Zaxcom Deva 5.8 as their main production recorder. Doesn't mean they're not still spending heaps on of repairs and new gear each year, just its not being focused on their recorder. (kinda like working pros who are not bothering to upgrade their main camera body every single cycle)

 

My bad judging for all the world, here in Switzerland with 35k a year you cannot live point. So then my proportion make more sense. LA area I also doubt that you can live with 35k but not sure.