gt3rs

Random guesses taking the 1Dx III tech on a R5:

data flow for 5.5k 60fps is similar to 8k 30 fps so in theory with CFexpress it could do it in RAW. Not sure what is more limiting for DPAF the data volume or the frame rate.... so not sure it will have DPAF in 8k. 
5.5k 60fps is super sampled to 4k 60fps, so again it would be possible to take 8k 30fps and supersampled to 4k 30fps h265 10bit Clog but again would it have DPAF?
Now FF 4k 60fps super sampled is probably unrealistic. Probably a 1:1 crop maybe with DPAF
4k 120fps IMO only possible either line skipping or 1:1 crop.

Best case by guessing:

8k 30fps RAW at same data rate that the 5.5k RAW 60 fps of the 1Dx III but with DPAF
FF supersampled 4k 30fps 10 bit h265 CLog with DPAF
4k 60fps or maybe even 120fps 1:1  pixel so 2x crop. 60fps with DPAF

Let see how far they are pushing it..... maybe a big disappointment or maybe another all in like the 1Dx III.....

3 minutes ago, Michi said:

None of the japanese companies ever implemented ProRes in a DSLR or mirrorless camera. And nothing indicates this will change with the R5.

Would it be nice? Sure!

But sometimes you have to ask where such strange expectations come from. At least they‘re not based on any logical assumption or reality. 

Yep unrealistic expectation if you count that even the C200, C300 II and C500 II do not have prores...

I should receive my One R this week, the 360 module does not seems any better than the One X that I have, but the waterproof and the screen is a good upgrade for me as the venturecase is a piece of c.... so I will sell the One X as I used a lot in the snow and water.
The 360 reframe quality is not yet ready for prime time but is so good to reframe in post that for certain type of action is unbeatable.
The 1 inch module seems a good step up from the hero 8 and similar. One cool thing is that you can enable or disable the stabilization and the fov in post..... the hero 8 is already processed so if you set the wrong one or you don't know if is better with what level of stabilization you are toasted…. I was shooting last week some rally cars with some hero 8s and when I wanted the hypersmooth on I had it off and vice versa…. 
 

Cool would be that the R6 as the same sensor as the 1Dx III and at least 4k 30fps with DPAF FF and 4k 1.3 crop 60 fps with DPAF all 10bit 4:2:2 then I have my A (1dx) and B (R6) cam...….. the R5 with all these mpixels smell fishy for video if Canon did not get some breakthrough in sensor technology....

People are a bit too optimistic.... if the R6 will use the 1Dx III sensor, as it could be view that it has the same mpixels and same 20 fps in electronic mode, in a cheaper model it will probably be 4k 30fps FF and 4k 60 fps 1.3 crop hopefully at 10 bit 4:2:2. Question is if FF is super sampled or not. If no CFExpress then no RAW for sure.

 

6 hours ago, scotchtape said:

I didn't mention any of those things but ok. #triggeredcanonfan?

You are saying that 1dx is crippled with questionable features.... like the dpaf in FF, like many others in this forum, there are 3 threads with multiple posts similar to yours saying that Canon is crippling dpaf in ff without realizing that nobody else has ever have made Raw ff with af.... so your post was good info contains?

22 minutes ago, Trankilstef said:

Yes i was referring about the little icon that says 4k-D RAW as in the picture that I attached (source : newsshooter) 

Then cool and thx for checking it out!

1 minute ago, scotchtape said:

How anyone can think that Canon will not cripple their cameras is beyond me.

Even the 1DXIII has questionable PDAF in full frame modes, not to mention no IS in RAW and... NO 24P at launch...

I'll believe it when I see it.  

O boy again.... point wich camera can do >4k FF  Raw with AF?

I help you: C700 FF (but only with additional recoding module), C500 II and then 1Dx III.... not really questionable as no other manufacturer has a FF camera that can do it. FF Internal Raw 4k or above with AF no other camera so why people continue to complain?

44 minutes ago, Mokara said:

Umm....no. 8K at 30 is more data than 5.5k at 60. Do the math.

And remember, this will be in a smaller body that is going to provide less cooling, which means that the camera will do less than the 1D even if it used the same processor.

Not sure what exactly the Digic X is, it may be the sibling of the DV7, meaning it is essentially a Digic 9. Or it may be a processor dedicated to the 1D series, with Digic 9 coming in for the consumer models. If so, then use the E500II as a guide for max specs (in the EOS-R they will be substantially less because of the form factors thermal envelope)

I did a quick mental guess, doing the right math is true that 8k is more by ca 4% than 5.5k 60fps so still doable but I doubt in a R model right now

5.5k 1dx 5496 x 2904 x 60 = 957'623'040

8k 7680 × 4320  x 30 = 995'328'000

Not totally impossible as 8K at 30 is less data than 5.5K at 60 and 4k at 120fps could be a 100% crop. Also 45Mpixel at 20 fps... seems fishy but maybe a crop burst like the M6 Ii...

To me it seems all too good to be true

2 hours ago, Trankilstef said:

So i tested the Canon 1dx mkIII today and i briefly put it in 4k RAW 25p to test if the dpaf would work. Short answer is it works like a charm. I didn't have lot of time to test other framerates and resolutions but I then asked a Canon rep about it and he said that it works in raw until 30p then it's not possible. 

Note aside, the autofocus in video seems to be improved again, it's impressive. Rack focus is very natural, face/eye detection works near flawlessly... I'm very impressed. 

You mean RAW so 5.5k not 4k right as there is no 4k RAW...

For sure DPAF works in 4k no crop 25p CLog

Around 3:41

You can see that the icon is 4k DCI no crop

And the 29:59 min limit is there

On 1/23/2020 at 2:17 PM, independent said:

Any confirmation on rolling shutter? 

Apparently FF around 1/60 so 16ms the minimum to be able to do 60fps

https://***URL removed***/forums/thread/4458909

4 minutes ago, Alt Shoo said:

I agree with the cinema camera option in this price range and I’m a little hesitant, but I am leaning towards purchasing the GFX 100. I can wait a bit longer with hopes Fuji would surprise the industry and release an extremely video centric version of this camera. But more than likely I will end up with this camera. 
 

I never been attracted to full frame because I feel you can mimic it with wider lenses for the relative shot, sorta, but this is actually the first time I’ve seen the difference between sensors and its size. 

Did you shoot in the past with an MF camera?

Not sure how fast is the GFX100 as I never used one but the few MF cameras that I tried they were just very slow in all like startup, time to review picture, zoom in, next picture etc. hopefully today they are much faster.

Are you shooting primarily video or photo?

For video the GFX 100 give you the MF size but the rest for the price IMO is pretty mehh, not usable AF in video, no 4:2:2, no 60p..... for similar price I would take the FX9 anytime or as a stretch a C500 II because with the saving in lenses you will have similar total budget. Depending on that choice add a Canon R or A7 III.

If mostly photo and you really want highres I would pick the A7 IV.

8 minutes ago, Rinad Amir said:

Id be honest @gt3rs h265 is the worst codec to work with 4k is nightmare choppy as fuck

Thats from mavic pro 2 anyways 

my pc spec

i7 8700k oc 5ghz

64gb ram

2tb ssd samsung evo

1080 ti 11gb and 

Windows 10pro

What program do you use for editing?

Kind of fun when the 1dx ii came out here everybody complaining about the old codec (although super fast for editing) now that they use the most modern one everybody complain that is bad because slow to edit.... 

2 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Probably the Fuji. The 1DX is just a little outdated at least body wise and the codec isn't good enough to justify it. Much cheaper lesnes though. 

Codec isn’t good enough?

5.5k RAW 

4k DCI 4:2:2 10bit log h265

4k DCI 4:2:0 8bit h264

4k UHD 4:2:2 10bit log h265

4k UHD 4::2:0 8bit h264

Seems to me that the codec choice is just great.

I want to see a video that shows setting 5.5k RAW 30p and then performing AF while recording. People can say what they want and with so many YouTube rush preview of the preview of the preview of the preview reviews 🙂 I don't trust any. I prefer to trust the spec (hopefully these are correct)

1Dx III as I mostly shoot action so the fps for still and 60fps and 120fps for video are very important.

Plus medium format has more limited lens selection and no real long lenses. MF lens are even more bulky than FF ones.

Last but not least I have a good selection of Canon lenses.

I did not check footage of the GFX 100 so not sure on the impact but is 10bit 4:2:0 and not 4:2:2 and max 30fps... 5 fps still is very slow for any action.

Imo GFX 100 is a landscape camera if that is your primary goal then is probably a great camera and 1Dx is the wrong one. But anything fast paced or need long reach then GFX is not a great choice.

If primary goal is video a C500 II or FX9 is a much better choice.

Not really sure why your question because are so opposite these two cameras.

Did the user check at 30p RAW or above? 

Could be that two different spec sheets, one in europe and one in usa, are both wrong but would be a big mistake.

As I stated on a previous thread view that camera can shot at 20 fps RAW 14bit photo with AF tracking does not seems impossible at least at 24/25 fps RAW video.

But yeah if people could check would be great.

2 hours ago, Django said:

Hope to get some hands-on time with a unit next week at a preview event. Anything particular you guys would like to know?

Would be cool to check:

- if it can really AF at 5.5k RAW 30p (spec says so but with all the confusion is better to check)

- if you can take a frame grab from the 5.5k RAW and save it as jpg

- if it can write the same 10bit video on two cards in parallel (RAW card 1 and 4k proxy on card 2 works, so I'm curios for two 4k videos)

- Quality of 120fps FHD, not easy to check but maybe they let you bring home 1 TB CFExpress as a gift 🙂 

- If histogram is available while recording (I doubt)

- if the 30min limit is there or not (not sure they let you run a long test)

- Latency on wifi while monitoring the video over a phone

9 minutes ago, androidlad said:

No crop and AF is available.

1080p quality is identical to 1DX II, anisotropic sharpness/detail up to 30p, then softens from 50 to 120p.

On my 1Dx II in 4k 60p vs 30p has exactly the same sharpness and quality. 120fps FHD is quite soft. 50/60 fps FHD I have no idea as I never used that mode

1 hour ago, Rinad Amir said:

This could be true as marketing boost for sales

For one that they have a good video for promo instead on the usual bad ones.....

Not sure I could say is better the 120fps quality because it is a different stage from where I use the 1Dx II.... ski, ice hockey, mtb or horse show jumping would have been better for me to compare. 
I highly doubt that they can do 120fps supersampling and seen that the C500 II has a huge crop at 120fps I tend to think that it will be about the same as the 1Dx II pixel binning 120fps quality but at least we gain log and better bitrate so maybe a tad better due to this it will be.

18 minutes ago, Rinad Amir said:

Does it do 120fps 10bit slomo? Can anyone confirm it?

Yes, it is in the canon whitepaper: FF fhd 120fps 10bit 4:2:2 h265 CLog.

Hope the quality is better than the 1Dx II. 

3 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

 

First time I've seen this table.

So that settles it then.

It is only at 60P DPAF packs up and goes home.

They should reword the sentence to :"Dual Pixel AF operates in all modes except for 4K 60/50p and RAW 60/50p"

Otherwise you can take it to read it doesn't work in any non-crop 4K mode at all.

The communication and wording is super crap. I think once they saw the confusion they should have printed big and make it clear like you said.

Btw the table is liked in the spec pdf from the USA web site. 

The table is clear no AF in RAW 50/60 and FF 4k 50/60 not to hard to read.

Same is the Europe spec: * Dual Pixel AF operates in all modes except for none crop 4K or RAW at 60p/50p recording." 

It is so hard to understand that the only two camera on the world that can do FF at 50/60 with AF have big cooling fan and at least double of the body size. From the same manufacture and about the same pixel count. For sure Canon decided to put fan just for fun so they are not weather sealed. So yeah cripple hammer.

You guys should write some high throughput parallel code on non active cooled cpu and then you will realize how hard is to keep it stable running.