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This was business figures. Do you expect them to go all "abandon ship, shareholders sell quick!" or what? Sometimes I wonder what people expect from these things. It's like Sony claiming how they're THE growing camera brand, yet I have never seen an A7 model in real life, it was always a NEX with kit lens. It's just regular business behaviour, the company I work for's PR announcments also sound massively different than the internal communication.

Well, it's mainly designed as a drone/gimbal camera, that's why the buttons are on the front. It's supposed to be like that. And no, you won't be able to control it via the monitor touchscreen like on a Video Assist, the HDMI can't control that. But you can rig something up via the expansion port. If you look through the pictures on the product website, there's none where it's used in the pseudo-camcorder way we all want to rig it out to. Basically you have to choose between User Interface (BMPCC) or HFR & better battery (BMMCC).

What's wrong with the controls?

https://www.gridaccessories.com/products/grid-5-0-viewfinder/ There is the GRID one. The few reviews I found say it's good quality. But it's pricy, especially including the shipping. There's another one I think from a European company... But it's even more expensive by quite a margin (I think like 1k$ with mounting kit) so I never investigated it.

That would be 35-50 plus 85-100 primes plus some macro lens on FF. With those 3 lenses I can make due. But yeah, at some point I had 8 lenses. Canon 17-40L, 24-70 2.8L, 70-200 2.8L, 35L, 85L II, 100L macro, 135L, EF 50 1.4 For photography it's easy. There's a possibility for Lightroom to make a statistic of used focal length and aperture. Then you only keep what you really use. If I had to have one single lens it would be probably a 40mm FF equivalent.

I know. I've seen footage with the Sigma 18-35 that was blurry and we all know that's a sharp lens. Initially I totally disregarded the BMPCC because it seemed to have 5D h264 level sharpness but I've seen some videos that were breathtaking. Just saying that some cameras are hard to judge by the regular stuff you find on Vimeo on the quick. It often looks like Film Convert cranked to the max.

This is an issue I have with most footage shot with the D16 but as well with the BMPCC. It's intentionally vintage or low budgety looking or flawed or however you want to name it. The video of the dancer that Mattias just posted is rather detailed while a subjectively felt 98% of clips I've seen from these cameras is really fuzzy and not sharp/detailed looking. If you consider how many movies have been shot with 2-3k cameras but have great clarity and detail, where's the gap?

Funny, I checked that camera yesterday afternoon but there's basically as good as no user experience. It's Leica, so you can expect a surcharge just like it might say Gucci or Louis Vuitton on it. I can get the appeal of the M system because of the rangefinder, that's a specific way of photography that's really enjoyable... even though the cameras are massively overpriced compared to their specs / sensor quality. The thing is that, with the Leica SL even more so than already with niche cameras like the Samsung NX1, you will be on your own. There probably won't be speed booster (4k only shoots APS-C crop!) nor smart adapter for EF / F (Leica not interested because they want you to buy their 4k$ lenses, 3rd party because only 37 people in the world will buy one), no specific cages or accessories and software / LUT / you name it support will also be lacking. The Leica M system was always well positioned because it was the Leica M system. The lenses, the rangefinder, the small fullframe body. The M9 was a legend. The SL system probably will struggle mainly on price point just like the S system struggles against PhaseOne. Everything that wasn't Leica M was basically a rip off based on Panasonic cameras just like Hasselblad selling the Sonys. Edit: As usually I sound more negative/pessimist than intended. I think the camera is cool. But it's ~3500 $ cool and not 7500 $ cool, it's more like an alternative to a A7rII in my eyes. Is there tests regarding rolling shutter, moiré, aliasing, low light, etc? The last things I've seen were still with the buggy log profile.

Are you sure? Everything I read points towards the G7 not doing 10bit but 8bit via HDMI.

To be honest I'm kinda surprised that there's nothing regarding cameras with 10bit recording (ProRes, Raw, whatever format). Currently there's basically the GH4 with external recording, the stuff from Blackmagic and then it gets humongously expensive... at the same time we get shoved 10bit and HDR TVs into our faces as the next big thing. Even all external recorders have marketing material mentioning again and again how they record 10bit color depth but they always get shown on cameras doing 8bit 4:2:2 like the A7s. People discuss how the next cameras should be 6k or 8k resolution but we won't even get 1080p with good colors and better compression codecs?! Edit: I think this NAB is only interesting for the non-camera stuff. Great new LED lights, gimbals, jibs, etc etc.

I think it was the power lens plus the ME200S-SH. Also I didn't say I expect something cheap but there was a lot of expectations to get some ideas about the future of the Cinema EOS line. There were hopes for a C100 III (I know, too early, but considering the competition) or C500 II. I think both of these products are good but they're both quite niche or not? I actually like where the ME200S-SH is going, I think the look of the C100II sensor is good, but it's even more crashcam than the BMMCC, it's not even that much for drones because it doesn't have it's own battery or recording. I really want Canon to succeed because from the manufacturers I've tried over the years I enjoyed the process of using the camera the most with them. They totally should have given C Log to the 1DxII, so at least for hybrid shooters there would be a amazing solution.

Really considering to get the BMMCC. I like the way the Cheesycam rig looks, even though I'd stick with the LP-E6 (my monitor uses them too). I hoped for a BMPCC V2 for NAB but apparently for now there will be nothing in the BMCC or smaller area from BMD. The Kinefinity Terra obviously would fit the size but is total overkill for my needs.

So... yes... what was the surprise now?! That there's nothing anyone is interested in for some months more?

I have a question guys... maybe slightly off topic... what Picture Profile on a A7s II / A7r II would the NX1's Gamma DR compare the most to? I really like the results I get with Gamma DR and it's a blast to grade. Sometimes I get banding in walls or skies but then no one notices once it's on YouTube because there will be banding in most cases after their compression. People complain mainly about the Sony's results with Slog2 and Slog3 colors but those are probably way flatter than Gamma DR so, I wonder if I would even get into those deep waters if I would try to match the same dynamic range / latitude with one of the Cine styles?

He asked for 4k, so based on that yes.

First I thought that it's cool but actually I think that this one is a bit meh except for the price. The closest competitor is the Atomos Shogun and that has SSD instead of SD, it has all the good monitoring features that are still missing on the Video Assists and I heard not so nice things about the display quality of the 5" VA which might or might not repeat itself with the 7" model. To be honest, I think most people on a budget might actually do better with a Atomos Ninja Assassin. It obviously lacks the SDI but then owner/operator who are on a budget where a few hundred dollar really matter probably won't own a camera that has 4k over SDI. I feel like the BMD monitor/recorders are too much of a "me too" product with (a bit too many) corners cut for cost saving. I'd rather go Atomos or Video Devices.

I think the HDMI out is the same 'meh' 8bit 4k 4:2:2 like the Alpha cameras so no real advantage of the scale as raw or 10bit ProRes. EDIT: I just rechecked and I'm not sure. Did it get external 4k 10bit 4:2:2 via a firmware update separate from the "to be paid for" raw update?

Kinda bummed there's no BMPCC 2 announcement after all the statements regarding the BMMCC not being the BMPCC successor. Oh well.

But if you have no guide track at all with the camera recordings the synching up gets quite a bit more of a hassle. Therefore a regular 3.5mm jack for scratch audio would have been nice. Sure, it works anyway, just saying.

Afaik so far only the Odyssey7Q+ and the Shogun (with announced firmware update or is it out yet?) do raw. Neither the Blackmagic Design VideoAssist nor Video Devices PIX-E recorders are announced to do it.

I think it's also super important to light it well. I think for the 120fps mode you want ISO 100 - 200. I'm slowly grading my Spain material and I see why people could judge the NX1 too sharp when downscaled to 1080p. I think I'd rather have only 1080p / 2.5K resolution but more color bit depth. What a pity that we directly jumped to 4k and now discuss 6k/8k but never even got really good quality Full HD (10bit 422 thick codec) on a wide front.

That's kinda surprising because if it's at least a stop better, that would mean the BMMCC would have only like 10 stops of DR while they claim 13 (5D III is measured at 11.7 EV DR in stills Raw). Samuel hurtdao measured the usable DR (which everyone defines somewhat different) as 12 EV for BMPCC Raw and 10.3 - 11.3 for the 5DIII Raw (with banding in the last stop of - desaturated - highlights). I'm still impressed with a lot of the videos shot with 5Diii ML Raw but for photography it's really fallen behind, especially for landscape stuff. The current sensors in the Sony, Nikon, etc. lineup made by Sony and Toshiba have just so much more DR that you need graduated ND filters for the 5D to get the same results in landscape photography, for some other stuff (e.g. backlit portrait with strong selective pushing) you're just out of luck due to the strong banding in pushed shadows with Canon. Despite that I think the usability of that camera is best in class, I got super happy when I saw Fuji put the little joystick into the X-Pro2. Makes me curious for what the 5D IV will bring.

The Sony A7s had more noise in silent shutter mode according to people who measured the read noise in the raw files. With some Panasonic cameras (I think GM1?) there was only 10bit instead of 12bit read out in electronic shutter mode. So I think it really depends on the camera model. The rolling shutter is of course a general downside they all share, agreed.

No they don't. You can check the technical specifications on the Canon website or wikipedia. The 5D series always had one digic processor, the corresponding 1 series had dual digic processors. The new 5Ds and 7D II have Dual Digic 6 too, granted I didn't check those because they don't seem to be too popular, but none of those has Magic Lantern available either. And despite Dual Digic 6 they only have 1080p h.264, addition is only the 60p. Seeing how the 5D III had Digic 5+, the 1Dx the Dual Digic 5+, the new 5Ds has Dual Digic 6 and the 1Dx II has Dual Digi 6+, I wouldn't be surprised if the 5D IV had a single Digic 6+. I could imagine that would give 4k 30p which would make basically most people happy. Despite that, I'm actually hoping the 5D IV would be amazing!

Mirrorless cameras still have a mechanical shutter and it has the same shutter actuation expectancy MTTF as a DSLR. The shutter is the weak part, not the mirror. As was mentioned before, there are cameras that can do electronic exposures without using the shutter but as far as I know that will typically reduce the dynamic range by a few stops.