Marcio Kabke Pinheiro

53 minutes ago, Walter H said:

Interesting. Yeah, the BH reviews seem to be all over the place. Makes me wonder if the Crane 3 would be the way to go, but then significantly more money.

The Moza Air 2 lists several Fujifilm cameras, including the X-T2 but not yet the X-T3, as "supported". I've reached out to see what exactly is supported and if X-T3 firmware is on the way. 

With such app-dependent interfaces, how can both of these companies produce such terrible apps?!

The Fstoppers review says that the gimbal is very good - but you need to balance it very well, or it behaves poorly.

https://fstoppers.com/originals/fstoppers-reviews-zhiyun-tech-weebill-lab-gimbal-imperfect-brilliant-321196

3 hours ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

But more problematic news: Viltrox EF-M2 does not work at all with the E-M10 III if you intend to use electronic EF lenses. WIthout a lens or with a lens, the camera shows just a black screen in the LCD or EVF, and does not take pictures. It is a firmware problem - if you cover the adapter contacts with tape, it works (of course without communication).

Search the web and found that it is a known issue, Viltrox is aware, but no solution until now.

(the adapter / lens worked perfectly in my GX85).

But right after this I've checked the Viltrox site (looking for older firmware to try a downgrade) and saw that they released the v3.2 of the Ef-M2 firmware last week - which solve this exactly problem. Now it works perfectly with the E-M10 III (tried with the EF 100-300mm 4.5-5.6, which is not in the compatibility list).

4 hours ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Adding to the prior post: the Zhongyi Lens Turbo II EOS to m43 fits without problems.

But more problematic news: Viltrox EF-M2 does not work at all with the E-M10 III if you intend to use electronic EF lenses. WIthout a lens or with a lens, the camera shows just a black screen in the LCD or EVF, and does not take pictures. It is a firmware problem - if you cover the adapter contacts with tape, it works (of course without communication).

Search the web and found that it is a known issue, Viltrox is aware, but no solution until now.

(the adapter / lens worked perfectly in my GX85).

Adding to the prior post: the Zhongyi Lens Turbo II EOS to m43 fits without problems.

A warning about the camera: the EVF hump is very close to the mount in the front of the camera, and some adapters / focal reducers could not have room to fit. The Viltrox EF-M2 enter tight, the Zhongyi Lens Turbo (FD to m43) did not enter at all.

About cameras: had the E-M5II and now recently got a E-M10 III (have a GX85 too) - did not have much time to play with it (2 month baby in house...), but I can already say that the E-M10 III video is far superior; not only is 4K, but do not have the previous Olympus codec problems (when shooting  very busy image, like a bunch of trees with leaves blown by the wind, the codec breaks - very visible in the E-M5 I and sometimes on the II). And the 4k is not cropped, as Andrew noted in its review (and I can confirm it).

For stills, it have some limitations (some resources dumbed in firmware), but for video, except not having highlights / shadows limits alert on screen in video mode, it's a VERY good camera.

6 hours ago, sanveer said:

Also the GX line has shown that there is a serious issues with the naming scheme and feature set on certain Panasonic lines. The GX8 was this 600 pound gorilla after the GX7 with enormous shutter shock (so much so that they had to change the entire shutter mechanism, giving a huge boost to Panasonic's shutter improvements across most of its cameras after that), and much larger body. Also why the GX line doesn't have a mic in is another strange question. The GX9 is what the GX8 should have been.

Nope, the GX9  is an upgraded GX85, far from being the "top rangefinder" from Panasonic like the GX7 was on it's time.

The perfect GX9 would be an improved GX7 body, or a little smaller GX8 body, with the G9 internals (I could live without the top LCD), with a 1000-1100 price tag. Had bought it in a heartbeat.

40 mp would only be workable if it have some quad bayer arrangement. And don't think that Sony will do a quad bayer 4/3 sensor.

Since the camera is rumoured to be a fast speed shooter, I guess that this will be a BSI 20mp sensor (the only 4/3 BSI sensor today is the one in the GH5s). Maybe a stacked one, but don't think that Sony would do that - except if they wish to pull the plug in the RX100 - RX10 series.

Tokio Storm, the video that made me buy a GH2. And got the video bug. 

Ok, take the risk, ordered one, it is arriving today. Will try to make some comparison videos with the GX85.

 

20 hours ago, TiJoBa said:

IMO, in terms of options and operability, the OMD EM10MK3 isn't anywhere in the league of the GH series. However, the Oly is smaller, lighter and has it's own filmic look that I miss in the Lumix cameras. It's a "fun" camera but not as "serious" as the GH series. The viewfinder dynamic range isn't good and it doesn't have any metering in manual video mode, however the viewfinder is really quite good for judging correct exposure.

Generally, I've avoided 1080p in any form and the tele convert function as I've always been left disappointed. Just love the full 4K image though, especially with sharpness turned "all the way down" -2.

I'm picking up this camera more lately for it's more sensible size and lovely image. This camera paired with the Oly 9mm lens cap is pocketable. For me, this is the GH2 of 2018. One reason I'm glad Anderw mentioned it. It's small, inconspicuous and with it's beautiful tiny fast primes, a Q-ship in keeping with the m43 philosophy.

Thanks for the answers. I was interested in 1080p60 for slo-mo, the 1080p in the GX85 (and in most modern cameras besides the GH line) simply sucks. Thinking about a RX100V just for it (and good af for use in gimbal). The 1080p samples that I saw online (not in the best condtions) remembered me a lot E-M5 MK II footage prior the bitrate bump.

About the metering, asked about the spot metering for stills use; but without highlights warnings metering would be useful in video (ok, can use the histogram, but lose the level gauges...)

In the meantime, the seller canceled the offer, have more time to research. Thanks again.

Just read again some reviews from the launch and remembered the gripes that I had when saw them (not including not use the 20mp for stills). Since some people here got the camera after Andrew's review, maybe you could help me - found a E-m10 III new with a VERY good price (which is rare here in Brazil) - to decide if I go for it. Will be a somewhat lenghty post because of it, sorry (here you don't have the option to return the camera as in the USA).

After reading all the manual and remembering my times with the E-M10 MK I and E-M5 MK II, these are my doubts:
- There are highlight / shadows warnings in stills / movie modes? (I know that they appear in playback, but don't remember if they appear in live view)

- Is it possible to have in display BOTH the histogram and the level gauge?

- Some earlier Olympus cameras, when using Spot metering, only meters the center of the frame. AFAIK, they introduced the option to make the spot metering meters the same Af single spot, when using this mode (which is the desired behaviour for me), selectable in menus. Did not find this option in the E-M10 MK III manual, hence I wonder which is the behaviour now.

- Sad to see the you still have to assign two buttons to engage peaking and zoomed view together (in the GX85 it is engaged with a single back dial press). Peaking is reliable when using the default view for focus, not the enlarged one? (in Panasonics is defintely not the case)

- There is no option to set the bit rate in movie mode in 4k, is it true? 

- The internal mikes are ok? GX85 had worse mics than GX7.

- Some review said that ISO can only be adjusted in full stops (200, 400, 800, 1600...). Is it true?

- it is not possible to start recording  using the shutter button (even in video mode), you have to use the dedicated video button?

- Is it possible to change aperture / ISO in 4k manual video mode using the dials?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

There are some 1080p/60 good samples of it? (For me it is the achilles heel of the GX85).

@Andrew Reid, how are the controls behaviour when filming? I recall that when I read the first reviews of the E-M10 III there where a lot of comments saying that the physical controls were bad. Unfortunately don't recall if it was for stills or movies (for sure it keeps my major complaint about Oly cameras - to engage focus peaking + focus assist (enlarged image) with adapted lenses in stills you need to program and push 2 different buttons, in the Panasonic a single button engage both modes).

14 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

Both Panasonic's are already available for preorder.. but its a bit hasty for me

The GRiii was different, its just an upgrade of a camera I already love, a no brainer. The Panys are a bit to mysterious as of now.

What are the preorder prices?

4 hours ago, nigelbb said:

Since when did video AF become a deal breaker? Whatever happened to the idea that real men used manual lenses?

If a men need manual lenses to feel real, AF is not the problem.

On 9/26/2018 at 6:11 AM, sanveer said:

There seems to be something terribly curious about the Panasonic S Range.

Like someone pointed here, or somewhere else, Panasonic disclosed very few feature of the GH5, when it first announced its development. This appears to be the case with the S Series too. Except the Megapixel count and the other usual Panasonic features (IBIS, 4k, DFD etc), everything else seems to be suspect (including dynamic range, fps etc).

I guess we will have to wait about 6 months to get the entire feature set. On video alone, I am getting it will lead the FF wolf pack. Though the guys incharge of continuous autofocus and its feature set (DFD), should be thrown out. Right away, before he and his team do more harm. 

Waiting game.

In Formula 1 racing, sometimes the teams keep waiting (and even faking) the moment of tyre change to try to get the opponent of guard and gain an advantage. In this case, I think that Panasonic is clearly waiting to see what Sony will bring to the A7SIII, and release the S cameras with the exactly set to compete or beat it - and hopefully (for them) not going too far and robbing EVA1 buyers.

I also think that the kind of huge size of the S cameras is exactly go crazy in video specs if they needed large heat dissipation - if not need, they could use the handling excuse. I'm not buying the 70%-30% video using - Panasonic should know that their strong point over the others is superior video performance. Already stating 4K60 is another hint in that direction.

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

It’s going to cost over $2,000. What’s the hurry?

Selling a kidney takes time.

1 minute ago, sam rides a mtb said:

Actually looks like it may swing and tilt (jusr not sure it swings into selfie mode) https://www.slashcam.de/images/news/PanasonicS1R_display-14634_PIC3.jpg

Then they gone for a XT-2/3 hinge style. In this case @Adam Kuźniar is right, and is a very bad LCD hinge for video indeed.

5 minutes ago, Adam Kuźniar said:

No you're not. You can't see yourself with that hinge design.

Yes you could, if it is the same hinge as the Fuji XT-100, as some reported.

It passed kind of under the radar after the FF announcement.

https://www.43rumors.com/wow-panasonic-announces-the-10-25mm-f-1-7-micro-four-thirds-lens/

For GH5 users, looks like a very interesting lens (albeit the price will probably be eye watering).

4 minutes ago, ajay said:

Andrew...See if you can find out why they have gone to a triaxial moveable screen and not a full articulating screen. This seems really bizarre. Seems others like Fuji who had the fully articulating screen went to some flippy thing too. WHY? Is it acting as some form of heat sync or something? I really like the fully articulating screens but can't understand why all new cameras don't come with this feature, especially when older models had this feature. Very frustrating.

Depends on taste - from a hybrid (not video focused) point of view this approach (for me) is much more appealing. Tilt screens are better for stills - less fiddling, faster to deploy, better for waist shots. For video, is ok too (not so much for some rigs or gimbal).  And if you need a front LCD view for vlogging, you are covered too.

On 9/21/2018 at 5:29 PM, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Hope to be wrong, but my bet is that they will keep CDAF with DFD, after the "AI DFD" rumors...

Well, I was bang on on this one. Panasonic was stubborn for years about IBIS too...

The rest looks interesting. Aggressive lens roadmap (without too much details) too.

3 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

That if its all just software stabilization it probably takes up a lot of processing power. When you have a small sensor it gives you more room for processing power. Still impressive that they fit it in such a small body.

That said if they really wanted to be innovative they should be giving us 4k 120fps. Such a small sensor should be capable.

The camera have sensors to record the camera movement, hence the software knows the direction and the intensity of each camera movement.
Did not looked extensively, but I guess that the footage does not comes stabilized straight out of camera, guess that you have to stabilize it in a GoPro software - than you don't need a lot of processing power on camera, it only records the footage and sensors data to feed the software. But I could be wrong.

6 hours ago, wolf33d said:

awesome. Cant wait. Please make the AF good in video...

Hope to be wrong, but my bet is that they will keep CDAF with DFD, after the "AI DFD" rumors...

21 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

I can say now the GX9 is a bit disappointing in 4K because of the extra crop (ends-up around 2.5x) and I think it really adds very little for video users over the older and cheaper GX85. I think Panasonic have much better bargains in the range for video. The G85 is not much more for example.

I don't have the GX9 with me at the moment, so it will just be an E-M10 III review. It has some mojo in the image I haven't seen for a while at that price and the handling in some ways is more enjoyable than a lot of the high-end cameras. You can switch between 1080 and 4K with a function button sub menu, without diving into the main menus for instance.

Perfect detail. Great colour. Solid codec. Wider FOV than GH4 sensor. Seems great in low light too.

Great. Interested in handling, since in some reviews mentioned that controls were dumbed down from the MK II.

if it only had a 20mp sensor...

3 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Yeah no IBIS is a bit of a deal breaker for me as well. I am just writing a first look at the E-M10 III with 5 axis IBIS, which I just bought from Amazon today. Was only 500 euros but will be interesting to compare to the GH5 considering the big price difference. If it helps out those searching for something really good in the midst of an era of pushing prices up and going high-end, then job done. Unlike the GX9 it doesn't have any extra crop in 4K. Full width M43 2x crop and 1.28x crop with Speed Booster XL. That is a first for the 16MP sensor in an Olympus and I've never had such great out of the camera colour as I have here for 500 euros.

If you could make a dual post (GX9 and E-M10 III), would be terrific.