New L-Mount Lumix (cinema?) Camera

[eatstoomuchjam]

27 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

I just wrote an entire Black Mirror episode based on camera marketing and it actually came out quite well as a piece of dystopian satire.

If anyone has any good ideas for it DM me.

Are you actually gonna produce it?  I'm ready to watch.

Just keep in mind that outside of a fairly small community of camera nerds, nobody will really "get" it.  If it were me, I'd try to make it more universal - could be a fashion influencer or similar.  I'm sure that this pattern of stuff is really common among other influencer communities too - I'd think of like the Ezarik sisters who both do a bunch of lifestyle influencer marketing. They never met a robot vacuum, electric car, or new Apple release that they didn't love and showcase in a very postiive, nicely-lit, non-threatening way.

[newfoundmass]

The only thing that makes this camera not of interest to me is the price tag. It actually seems like a quality release, but that's just not a competitive price for me at least.

My first thought would be to upgrade from the S5II X to the S1II, and then upgrading my two S5s to S5IIs. But It'd make more sense to keep the S5II X and then upgrade the two S5s to the S5II for less than what a S1II would cost me.

Still, it's a decent camera. I hope it does well.

[berkenboom]

5 hours ago, Al Dolega said:

While I agree with most of the criticisms of Panasonic's marketing, as far as pricing goes I feel they may be getting treated a bit harshly. The S1 launched at $2500 in 2019; with inflation that's about $3150 in today's money. So not really much of a price increase, although of course overall wages have not kept up with inflation, rates on video jobs are always being squeezed, etc.

You can compare launch prices, but thats not really relevant. What matters is what you can currently can get. And currently the S5II is 1600 new, 1350 used. Nikon Z6 III is 2200 new, the A7 IV is 2.349 new, 1950 used.The R6 II is 2400 new,2000 used.

I dont know all the differences between these camera's, but i think they are solid camera's. Nothing that the S1II offers makes be go "mmm those features are worth the €1000 price premium"

[Al Dolega]

19 minutes ago, berkenboom said:

You can compare launch prices, but thats not really relevant. What matters is what you can currently can get.

It's relevant to the pricing strategy Panasonic is using, which is what Andrew and others are critiquing and I was responding to.

Of course from an end-user POV you would want to compare against relevant used or discounted-new offerings. I waited almost two years for the first S1 to depreciate enough that I could afford it- got a minty one with the 24-105 for $2200.

[berkenboom]

3 hours ago, Al Dolega said:

It's relevant to the pricing strategy Panasonic is using, which is what Andrew and others are critiquing and I was responding to.

Of course from an end-user POV you would want to compare against relevant used or discounted-new offerings. I waited almost two years for the first S1 to depreciate enough that I could afford it- got a minty one with the 24-105 for $2200.

I got lucky and got my s1 + vlog upgrade for 1500 one year after introduction. Depreciation is nice for new entry into the system. But for owner selling their gear its not great i also think its a bad omen that stuff depreciates so fast.

On the other hand, old MFT stuff on the second hand market is wild now. I saw an GF3, for 300 including lens.
300 was the price I paid at that time for a new one, lens included! even wilder a GF1 for 350😆

its like the dutch proberb "wat de gek ervoor geeft"  (what a fool will pay for [it])

[eatstoomuchjam]

46 minutes ago, berkenboom said:

On the other hand, old MFT stuff on the second hand market is wild now. I saw an GF3, for 300 including lens.
300 was the price I paid at that time for a new one, lens included! even wilder a GF1 for 350😆

I've been seeing on YouTube that some of the influencers have been going on about how great the old/small Panasonics were.  If you want to see something really bonkers, look at current GM1 pricing - a lot of them going for about $500 in a kit with the 12-32.

Since those went so crazy, now I'm seeing some from adjacent influencers saying "Hey, everybody!  The GF* series is also really great and small and btw, some shoot 4K" so I'm not surprised they're going up now too.

[Andrew Reid]

Check out the GX9 prices

[KnightsFan]

6 hours ago, berkenboom said:

You can compare launch prices, but thats not really relevant. What matters is what you can currently can get. And currently the S5II is 1600 new, 1350 used. Nikon Z6 III is 2200 new, the A7 IV is 2.349 new, 1950 used.The R6 II is 2400 new,2000 used.

I dont know all the differences between these camera's, but i think they are solid camera's. Nothing that the S1II offers makes be go "mmm those features are worth the €1000 price premium"

As someone who exclusively buys used, I agree with you-- however, features in new products are almost never objectively worth the premium, in any product category. Cameras, cars, graphics cards, clothes, music albums, and even digital video games on steam, if enjoyment is the value metric.