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What is an old Canon camera with a full frame sensor that you would recommend to a beginner?

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3 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

I'd recommend you sell the 70-200mm lens rather than get sucked into the blackhole of disappointment which is Canon. 

 

Canon's 70-200 lenses are very good - what's to be disappointed about?

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On 2/8/2019 at 5:30 PM, Heera said:

Also, is a newer APSC sensor worth it if it’s newer than the old full frame body?

Yes!

Here is the old Nikon D5200, vs some even older full frame cameras:

https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D5200-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-II-versus-Canon-EOS-5D___850_483_176


Or look at the old Nikon D5200 again, but vs the Canon 5D mk3 for video:

https://www.eoshd.com/2013/02/nikon-d5200-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii/

https://www.eoshd.com/2013/02/nikon-d5200-review/

 

6 minutes ago, Shirozina said:

Canon's 70-200 lenses are very good - what's to be disappointed about?

It is not about the lens (and there are plenty of other great 70-200 lenses out there you could choose from elsewhere other than Canon), but about the entire ecosystem which is Canon. (specifically though, their cameras)

 

On 2/8/2019 at 5:30 PM, Heera said:

edit: Someone is giving me a Canon T6i. When I save up enough money for those cameras you all mentioned I know that the 6D or the 5Dii are the two obvious choices. Thanks to everyone who answered!


Yeah, I wouldn't recommend targeting a 6D or 5Dmk2 as cameras to save up for. (or any other Canon really....)

Like @heart0less said about the 5Dmk2:

On 2/9/2019 at 3:08 AM, heart0less said:

A lot of colorful sensor noise and banding. Dynamic range isn't the best, either. 

It just feels like a 10-years old tech, unfortunately. 

I got much, much better results with a6000 which costs around 250-300$ used.

 

So, yeah, I wouldn't honestly recommend it. 

On 2/9/2019 at 5:45 AM, thebrothersthre3 said:

The Black Magic Pocket original is really cheap these days, like sub $500 cheap. Seems like they are quite good up to 800 iso. Still kind of limiting when you are used to cameras that do up to 3200 iso while still looking clean. 

Shoot the OG BMPCC in raw then denoise in DaVinci Resolve and you can go easily to 1600 ISO at least. 

On 2/9/2019 at 10:17 AM, Kisaha said:

A7ii is not that old, and I suggested to the op to sell the 70-200 for something even more modern. Selling the lens offers the money to buy an M50 the kit lens, and probably 1-2 more M lenses.

Be unwise to invest in Canon M lenses when Canon has so clearly signaled that is going to be a dead end mount, which surely is only a matter of time until they kill it off. 

 

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1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

Be unwise to invest in Canon M lenses when Canon has so clearly signaled that is going to be a dead end mount, which surely is only a matter of time until they kill it off. 

 

The guy doesn't want to invest. Wants the cheapest possible camera (less than 500$) to match with an 70-200 (which is a quite limiting lens).

Selling the lens, can buy a whole M system (camera, 2 zoom lenses from 15-250mm plus a great tiny pancake in the 22mm) which will be more portable and usable than an ancient full frame camera with a huge 70-200 in the end, and will have great modern AF, and the usual Canon advantages.

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1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

It is not about the lens (and there are plenty of other great 70-200 lenses out there you could choose from elsewhere other than Canon), but about the entire ecosystem which is Canon. (specifically though, their cameras)

 

I get the feeling you don't like Canon.....

 

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On 2/8/2019 at 11:00 AM, Heera said:

What old canon camera models would you recommend to someone who doesn’t yet have a camera body but has a 70-200mm lens?

Are there any that wouldn’t break   free netflix tech news the bank? Under $500 if possible. Also, is a newer APSC sensor worth it if it’s newer than the old full frame body?

edit: Someone is giving me a Canon T6i. When I save up enough money for those cameras you all mentioned I know that the 6D or the 5Dii are the two obvious choices. Thanks to everyone who answered!

thank you people

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On 2/11/2019 at 8:35 PM, IronFilm said:

Well, you got us all, thinking this was a serious question! When in reality you're a spammer, and might even just be a bot. 

Still, at least you were better for the forum than this awful spammer:

https://www.eoshd.com/comments/profile/45696-tompeter/

been my experience a couple of times at least. someone from the forum posts a heads up about suspect posts, which i have to thank those people for having such a neighborly watch like attitude. perhaps if everyone in the forum pursues an active approach to announce spammer posts when come across we would deny them or greatly reduce the clicks or whatever their evil machinations are.  most people on here don't seem to have much trouble calling a spade a spade or other names at times so i reckon if someone who's pretty regular in the forum calls out a spammer alert i would tend to side with them  and not click on links until proven otherwise. most if not all the links i click on are video links that lead to youtube or vimeo   camera reviews or the shorts that people make. i don't tend to click on txt links. just my two cents worth.

i have seen alot of tompeter adds in the sale section. it seems unnatural to me, one person to sell so much stuff unless he had a shop.since nothing is stated about a shop or being a wheeler and dealer, on principal i have avoided those adds like the plague.

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21 hours ago, leslie said:

been my experience a couple of times at least. someone from the forum posts a heads up about suspect posts, which i have to thank those people for having such a neighborly watch like attitude. perhaps if everyone in the forum pursues an active approach to announce spammer posts when come across we would deny them or greatly reduce the clicks or whatever their evil machinations are.  most people on here don't seem to have much trouble calling a spade a spade or other names at times so i reckon if someone who's pretty regular in the forum calls out a spammer alert i would tend to side with them  and not click on links until proven otherwise. most if not all the links i click on are video links that lead to youtube or vimeo   camera reviews or the shorts that people make. i don't tend to click on txt links. just my two cents worth.

i have seen alot of tompeter adds in the sale section. it seems unnatural to me, one person to sell so much stuff unless he had a shop.since nothing is stated about a shop or being a wheeler and dealer, on principal i have avoided those adds like the plague.

I agree..  However, in my experience it's sometimes hard to see who is a spammer and who might be a newcomer who is potentially from the instant-messaging generation, or doesn't have English as their first language, or both.  Film-making is a pretty complicated topic and it's pretty easy to ask a genuine question that seems inflammatory or non-sensical, so apart from posting links, it can be hard to tell.

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22 hours ago, leslie said:

i have seen alot of tompeter adds in the sale section. it seems unnatural to me, one person to sell so much stuff unless he had a shop.since nothing is stated about a shop or being a wheeler and dealer, on principal i have avoided those adds like the plague.

"He" literally does NOTHING else than post adverts to eBay
Has not even once started any other kind of thread, or made any comments anywhere elsewhere. 

31 minutes ago, kye said:

I agree..  However, in my experience it's sometimes hard to see who is a spammer and who might be a newcomer who is potentially from the instant-messaging generation, or doesn't have English as their first language, or both.  Film-making is a pretty complicated topic and it's pretty easy to ask a genuine question that seems inflammatory or non-sensical, so apart from posting links, it can be hard to tell.

I find spammers dead easy to spot after a while, it goes beyond just their style of writing and into what their purpose is as well. 

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2 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

"He" literally does NOTHING else than post adverts to eBay
Has not even once started any other kind of thread, or made any comments anywhere elsewhere. 

They're aren't even his own listings, just random other people's ones.

Well, I say "random" but they are possibly all hijacked accounts listing non-existent equipment.

Unless he just has a really, really weird hobby of scouring e-bay for very average deals and then sharing them with a disinterested audience.

The other option is him building a decent number of total posts, then move on to copy and pasting semi-credible discussion posts to increase the credibility before pulling some scam.

When he then starts offering cut-price dental services in Cairo then we'll know for sure who he is.

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10 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

Unless he just has a really, really weird hobby of scouring e-bay for very average deals and then sharing them with a disinterested audience.

A super weird hobby! But not the weirdest one out there either...

11 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

When he then starts offering cut-price dental services in Cairo then we'll know for sure who he is.

Playing the long con!

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1 hour ago, kye said:

I agree..  However, in my experience it's sometimes hard to see who is a spammer and who might be a newcomer who is potentially from the instant-messaging generation, or doesn't have English as their first language, or both.  Film-making is a pretty complicated topic and it's pretty easy to ask a genuine question that seems inflammatory or non-sensical, so apart from posting links, it can be hard to tell.

 

i know where your coming from, i did something like that after i first joined i made a comment at the time in the bmp4k forum i think.  it seemed innocent enough to me, however even the great john brawley dropped by with a its not cool to go chucking hand grenades around in the forum . which wasn't my intention at all. so i think i learned a lesson or maybe about 3/4 of a lesson.  i'm not suggesting that we flame a person to hell at a moments notice,  i'm suggesting that a that seems odd !! proceed with caution sort of message be raised. if i inadvertently click on a link that one would think leads to a camera review but ends up at casino portal. then i am happy to post, hey guys this is spam it doesn't link to what you think it is. one person will end up at a wong location but a little warning will stop the rest of us making the same mistake that is all . 

i also am with ironfilm suspect posts do stand out a bit after your been around awhile but those with english as a second language may miss the subtleties. most times i come in pretty late to a conversation anyway, that might be some of the lesson i learned earlier or my time zone perhaps.

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Something to keep an eye are the inconsistencies in the standard of written English in different posts by the same user.

Sometimes you will look at a post from a user that looks pretty much straight out of Google translate and then a subsequent post from the same user will clearly have the look of coming from someone fluent enough not to have needed Google translate in the first place.

The suspicion, obviously, is that the account is actually being operated by more than one person/bot.

There are accounts on here that match that pattern in my opinion.

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3 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

The suspicion, obviously, is that the account is actually being operated by more than one person/bot.

There are accounts on here that match that pattern in my opinion.


Hey now, don't be so judgmental, some of us are poor Egyptians who can't afford more than one account for us!
 

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1 minute ago, IronFilm said:


Hey now, don't be so judgmental, some of us are poor Egyptians who can't afford more than one account for us!
 

well that explains the beard i guess :) do you get a cheaper rate for a whole family ?

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On 2/14/2019 at 12:19 AM, leslie said:

well that explains the beard i guess :) do you get a cheaper rate for a whole family ?

I get my haircuts for free! 
(life tip: go along to a Barber School)
 

21 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

I don't get spamming, what in the world are they hoping to accomplish? Who would click those links lol 

The cost for spamming is very very very very VERY low, likely it is getting posted by the thousands by bots across many many forums. Thus you only need an extremely small % to click the link, and an even smaller percentage to buy the items, to make the spamming profitable. 

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1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

I get my haircuts for free! 
(life tip: go along to a Barber School)
 

The cost for spamming is very very very very VERY low, likely it is getting posted by the thousands by bots across many many forums. Thus you only need an extremely small % to click the link, and an even smaller percentage to buy the items, to make the spamming profitable. 

the barber school tip is a good idea, however for me, i would have to drive quite a long way out of my way to get a free hair cut. i'm thinking the cost of petrol and time to drive there would out weigh the savings. for others closer to a big city that's probably great

i browsed the for sale section,  derived the first page, tompeter has 13 ads since january  with a minimum 35 views up to 114 views, so there is definitely some interest there. whether any of that sells i have no idea. most adds seem to be camera and body deals which doesn't interest me personally, however if the bmp4k takes much longer i may be in the market for something 🤔

now if tompeter genuinely  wants to help the community, well he could find me an iscorama pre 36 for $2000  i'd definitely buy that off his ebay link through paypal of course  heck i'd even drop him a few extra $ for his time 😀

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