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Canon EOS R - The Sum Is Larger Than Its Parts

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Over the past few weeks I have spent a lot of time with the Canon EOS R. I have also spent a lot of time with Nikons new Z6. On paper the Nikon Z6 would appear to have the EOS R beat dead to rights. And in all fairness to the Nikon, the 4k output from the Z6 is more detailed, sharper and cleaner at higher ISO than what the Canon can manage. So case closed then... an easy win for the Nikon, Canon fanboys go home! Well, not so fast... the problem is that for all of these specs, when viewed side by side... the exact same scene shot on the Canon EOS R just seems more organic. More filmic... in all honesty, it feels more cinematic. 

Most here know that I have long praised the Nikon for its strengths... and rightly so. It's one hell of a camera. But when looking at the same scene, shot on both the Nikon and Canon, I can tell you, there is something magical about the Canon footage. I caught myself constantly trying to make the Nikon footage more like the EOS R. I thought softening a sharp image would be a simple matter of adding in a diffusion filter. But in practice nothing I did could duplicate the effortless organic vibe of the Canon. It's not the sharpest, but it is clear and in focus; softer by default, and frankly in a world filled with over-sharpened footage I find it refreshing. The color out of the EOS R look great. You need do very little if anything to the files. But if you shoot in C-Log, there is ample data to play with. Better yet if you output to the Ninja V in 10 bit. 

While it might not make sense... and you would be right to argue that the Nikon is superior... none of that changes the fact that the Canon produces a nicer image. Even when it gets noisy the noise looks more like film grain than noise. 

Between the two, both are fairly easy to use, granted, there is a learning curve if switching from one brand to the other. But nothing that bad. I find the Canon's menus to be better, but that might be just because I am use to Canon. I will say that the Canon's controls are arranged to be easier to use from in front of the camera. The flippy screen is also a big plus. The crop did bother me at first, but I don't favor wide shots so it was not a deal breaker, and for those times that call for more FOV, I can easily adapt one of my wide angle lenses.

In the end you have a choice to make... Go with the spec sheet, and get a superior camera; or pick the one that delivers more cinematic footage. For me the choice was difficult until I stepped back and looked at the output from both cameras. Once I did that the choice was clear. Canon wins again. I'm not sure how they managed it. But perhaps that's part of the magic.

 

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39 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

You returning the Nikon? So far still happy with my Fuji, can't see anything replacing it. I have thought about getting a Canon 5d 3 with ML tho

The Nikon is great... better than the Canon in many ways; but in the end... for me, the Canon fits my artistic style better. So I parted ways with the Nikon. It was a tough choice, but it seemed like having both would complicate matters. Sometimes having too many options can work against you.

@thebrothersthre3 the Fuji is a fantastic camera. I thoroughly enjoyed mine... up until they died. Had I not had bad luck with my examples, I would no doubt still have them. They were tons of fun to shoot with.

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Well the EOS-R has to be a no brainer with matching your C200, 1DX mk II, and being able to use the same lenses. I think you did the right thing. Plus you are right, certain Canon products do seem magic at times. Just imagine if they didn't hold back.

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23 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Well the EOS-R has to be a no brainer with matching your C200, 1DX mk II, and being able to use the same lenses. I think you did the right thing. Plus you are right, certain Canon products do seem magic at times. Just imagine if they didn't hold back.

Yeah, it really is infuriating the way they selectively withhold features, and then give idiotic reasons why they couldn’t add it.

Hopefully the new offerings from Nikon, Sony and Fuji will force Canon to unshackle their mirrorless offerings.

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7 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Yeah, it really is infuriating the way they selectively withhold features, and then give idiotic reasons why they couldn’t add it.

Hopefully the new offerings from Nikon, Sony and Fuji will force Canon to unshackle their mirrorless offerings.

It sounds like the EOS R was like a base model, so I am sure they'll be putting out something else this year. 

I heard rumors about a 100mp IBIS camera, though that doesn't really sound video orientated. 

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11 hours ago, DBounce said:

The Nikon is great... better than the Canon in many ways; but in the end... for me, the Canon fits my artistic style better. So I parted ways with the Nikon. It was a tough choice, but it seemed like having both would complicate matters. Sometimes having too many options can work against you.

 

Damn so you went from Fuji, to Nikon...and back to Canon in a matter of weeks/months huh? you must have good return policy!

Must have been a though choice for sure, especially with the big Nikon firmware announcement..

I've been through a lot of system changes myself and at one point had Canon, Fuji, Nikon & Sony all at the same time! Felt kinda schizophrenic tbh.

Things changed when i got my C100 and decided to go multicam with the 5D as a B-cam. I then realized the strength of remaining in one ecosystem.

So when EOS R was announced it was kinda a no brainer for me.

That said with all the fierce competition & backlash against Canon, it hasn't been an easy choice to defend.

The limitations/flaws are real but the ergonomics, DPAF, C-log, color science & overall cinematic IQ do make up for them imo.

As a sole all-in-one camera, i don't know though.. but as part of a MILC/DSLR/Cine combo cam trifecta, it's kind of the only game in town.

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For someone who owns a C200 and 1DXII and films his face then yeah, the EOS R makes a lot of sense. You can use the same lens, easy to match in post, the colors right out of the box need less grading than let's say a Sony. You don't need wide angle and you have little to no movement and you do not use slowmo (on the EOSR, you have the 1DX for that). So yeah that's a lot of sense. 

Now someone like me who is not into one ecosystem, who needs wide angle (mountain/extreme sports/landscape shooting) 80% of the time, who needs slowmo, and who needs decent RS due to action well, the EOS-R is garbage, even for $500 I would not get one. 
And while I am a specific case, I think most video oriented people do want decent RS, use their lenses without 1.7 crop and a lot do want slowmo too. So overall objectively this camera is an epic fail. 

It's very good that it cant fit the need of a minority of people and specific use for sure. Hopefully they will release something with 4K60P and no crop. I love Canon bodies and ergonomics. My first ever DSLR was a Canon. I then owned the 5D2 and 5D3, at which point the competition started to be much much better. 

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