DBounce Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 So rumor has it that the upcoming Panasonic S1R will be able to output raw. Additionally, the camera will sport a 168MP sensor. This is shaping up to be one to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Woah, the camera race is crazy right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 Those rumored specs are crazy... can’t wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Collins Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The 168mp sensor is most likely a reference to its 'pixel shift' mode. The actual sensor is likely to be 42mp (168/4) - probably because they are working with a Sony sensor. MattH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I doubt very few people on here are going to be able to afford the high end one one though. But yeah sounds like they are going All out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, webrunner5 said: I doubt very few people on here are going to be able to afford the high end one one though. But yeah sounds like they are going All out. I can afford it in another decade when they're being given away on ebay ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, IronFilm said: I can afford it in another decade when they're being given away on ebay ? Well I will probably be dead by then. ? It will be amazing what will be out by then. I doubt you would even want the S1 even if it was free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 24, 2018 Administrators Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Robert Collins said: The 168mp sensor is most likely a reference to its 'pixel shift' mode. The actual sensor is likely to be 42mp (168/4) - probably because they are working with a Sony sensor. It's confirmed at 47 megapixels not 42. https://cvp.com/product/panasonic-s1r-lumix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Well I will probably be dead by then. ? Fingers crossed I won't be. But maybe I will after next weekend... doing the toughest bike race in the southern hemisphere. 7 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: It will be amazing what will be out by then. I doubt you would even want the S1 even if it was free. It is interesting what the passage of time does to camera values. Both their secondhand marketplace value, and their personal value to the user. Some cease to have any interest whatsoever, while others turn into gems which pack in a lot of value for your dollar. For example my beloved Sony PMW-F3! A very high end camera that is now dirt cheap. Or for another example, the Nikon D700. This was a staple pro workhorse. But now I'd have zero interest in it whatsoever, it does't even have 720 video! ha However.... even old cameras which don't appeal to me, like the D700, under specific circumstances can still make sense. What if I found myself doing a few real estate photo shoots on the side? Just enough to justify a new camera and lens perhaps, but not quite enough to justify buying say a Nikon D750. Then the dirt cheap D700 full frame sensor paired with low budget Rokinon 24mm Tilt Shift might be a wonderful combo! (and the 12MP sensor would be a bonus for high volume real estate shoots, rather have that than big D800 files!) webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirozina Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 So if it shoots RAW and the sensor is 47 mp this means it's cropped - unless it's 8k raw..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Maybe there is a mix up in the rumors, and this is raw for the S1 not the S1R (a S35 crop of a 24 megapixel S1 FF sensor would be roughly 12 megapixels, pretty close to then go for a 4K raw crop out of the S1??) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vision Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 This sounds intresting , i hope Atmos is reading this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Shirozina said: So if it shoots RAW and the sensor is 47 mp this means it's cropped - unless it's 8k raw..... The sensor can be binned or pixels can be combined in various manners without debayering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 13 hours ago, DBounce said: So rumor has it that the upcoming Panasonic S1R will be able to output raw. Additionally, the camera will sport a 168MP sensor. This is shaping up to be one to watch. Well thank f*ck for that... I was wondering if I was EVER going to be able to record 16K time lapse videos!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirozina Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 45 minutes ago, Nikkor said: The sensor can be binned or pixels can be combined in various manners without debayering. I didn't know that - what cameras do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Shirozina said: I didn't know that - what cameras do this? Probably every camera out there does it (except when they crop to 1:1 pixel or oversample). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirozina Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, Nikkor said: Probably every camera out there does it (except when they crop to 1:1 pixel or oversample). AFAIK all RAW output is 1:1 pixel. Pixel binning, resampling, oversampling etc is for generating non RAW image data like Jpeg, ProRes , Tif etc. If RAW is resampled it's by definition not RAW IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyyyel Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 This looks exactly like those Sony rumors that where floating around which proved to be ludicrous. You have to be brain dead to think that Panasonic would release a FF camera that would shoot raw between 3-4K. People are starting to believe that these corporation are Santa, they would render all there other camera line obsolete just for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Shirozina said: AFAIK all RAW output is 1:1 pixel. Pixel binning, resampling, oversampling etc is for generating non RAW image data like Jpeg, ProRes , Tif etc. If RAW is resampled it's by definition not RAW IMO. Aha, so Magic Lantern Raw is not Raw, right? Raw simply is non-debayered data. There are many ways to reduce pixel count without debayering. When a camera oversamples, it debayers the whole image and then scales it down, but if a camera pixel bins, then it reduces the pixels before debayering, if you take that data you will get raw with reduced resolution from the whole sensor. tweak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmbeats Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Dunno about obsolete. Most established professionals would pay a big premium for a fully-equipped cinema camera over a luxury hybrid, even if the jump in image-quality was tiny or non-existent. Not the same for entryists and monied enthusiasts of course. While the EVA1 might be a bit dented (or even seriously so), Varicam would be untroubled I'd imagine. For a piece of the expensive but mass-market FF mirror-less sector, that maths might possibly add up for Panasonic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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