wolf33d 706 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 With the new players (Z7, XT3, upcoming S1...) I think it would be cool to re-give the prize for best 120p in the market. @Andrew Reid you have both the XT3 and Z7, which one is better in 120p? Any footage comparison planned? All good 120p cameras now do good quality for close up (like a portrait and big bokeh) but you can easily tell them appart when you film a wide busy scene with water and grass for example: this is what is interesting to compare. Worth putting in the comparison IMO: A7III / RX100 / Z7 / XT3 / GH5 / 1DX2 and soon S1 and A7SIII Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntblowz 595 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 E2 is probably the best since it does 4K 120P. IronFilm and Emanuel 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebrothersthre3 1,231 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Definitely the Z cam E2 I think the XT3 has an edge with 120fps as its 10 bit recording. Getting mine today so I'll be able to compare it to regular 1080p. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wolf33d 706 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 E2 is a big camera, nothing to do with XT3 and RX100, sorry forgot to exclude this category. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KnightsFan 634 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, wolf33d said: E2 is a big camera, nothing to do with XT3 and RX100, sorry forgot to exclude this category. It's only ~14% larger volume than the XT3. It's half the weight of the 1dx2. It's the same weight (and smaller volume!) compared to the GH5. It's true the E2 is not a photo/video hybrid with DSLR ergonomics like the others, but it's certainly right in there in terms of cost and size. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oliver Daniel 1,540 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Yep, Z Cam E2 probably has best sub $2000 120fps. I’d guess the Fuji X-T3 is next on that list. GH5 and all the Sony’s can look good under the right conditions - but can be prone to looking quite poor. Exposure and lighting needs to be absolutely spot on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
androidlad 62 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 All of the E2 footage released so far have that home video look, with an off-the-shelf sensor IMX294 it's hard to tune in the right colour science. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wolf33d 706 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 E2 is totally out of the question for me for many reasons. Thanks for pointing out the real size though. Like many others here, I assume XT3 120p is best, but I would love to see a real world footage comparison especially vs A7III and Z7 with busy scenes. The only person I am aware having the 3 cameras is @Andrew Reid Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A_Urquhart 206 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 FS700 with Odyssey7Q or Shogun Inferno. - You can pick them up cheap - 4K@120p in 12bit RAW(!) or ProRes flavours (DCI & UHD) - Continuous 240fps at 2K (12bit RAW or ProRes) - Super35 sensor - It's a proper video camera....internal ND's, XLR inputs, SLOG2 etc.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebrothersthre3 1,231 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Yeah the FS700 definitely has the best 120p. Its actually pretty affordable too. Not what the OP wants though, its much bigger then a DSLR or SLR. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A_Urquhart 206 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Yeah the FS700 definitely has the best 120p. Its actually pretty affordable too. Not what the OP wants though, its much bigger then a DSLR or SLR. Oh, didn't see where the OP stated 'DSLR' in their original post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebrothersthre3 1,231 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, A_Urquhart said: Oh, didn't see where the OP stated 'DSLR' in their original post. Yeah it was in the OP, he said later that the Z cam was too large, so that crosses off any cinema type cameras. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
webrunner5 2,464 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Yeah it was in the OP, he said later that the Z cam was too large, so that crosses off any cinema type cameras. That sort of crosses off ANY camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebrothersthre3 1,231 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, webrunner5 said: That sort of crosses off ANY camera. Well when you factor in accessories and battery it'll be bigger. He might want a hybrid camera I don't know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
webrunner5 2,464 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Well when you factor in accessories and battery it'll be bigger. He might want a hybrid camera I don't know. Yeah that is true. Yeah but if it has a crop from hell, the Fuji does, you are going to have a lens from hell size wise to get wide enough. Heck of a lot more to 120p that just the body. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebrothersthre3 1,231 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Yeah that is true. Yeah but if it has a crop from hell, the Fuji does, you are going to have a lens from hell size wise to get wide enough. Heck of a lot more to 120p that just the body. What is it a 2x crop? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
newfoundmass 1,034 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Has anyone in the wild recieved an e2? Thought it started shipping a month ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
webrunner5 2,464 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: What is it a 2x crop? Yeah along with the 1.5x crop of the sensor to start with! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KnightsFan 634 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, newfoundmass said: Has anyone in the wild recieved an e2? Thought it started shipping a month ago. A few people have received theirs. There are only one or two user reviews on YouTube so far, but there is a pretty active Facebook group. 2 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Yeah along with the 1.5x crop of the lens to start with! Huh? Everything I read says the XT3's 120p does a 1.29x crop on top of the 1.5x, which means ~2x crop compared to full frame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebrothersthre3 1,231 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: Yeah along with the 1.5x crop of the sensor to start with! I looked it up, its a 1.29x crop, so with the 1.5 crop its 1.79 Still better the an M43 camera shooting 24fps. Maybe you are thinking of the BMP4K which is a 2.7 crop or something like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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