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I just wish Nikon will go all in with their mirrorless, and give them some extra video features.

Their arrogant view of how they are far superior and more pro orientated than the rest of the industry (except Canon) is based in their 60 years of excellence, and they do perform,

We can say whatever we want about the Canonikon, but they certainly make things work. Less bitrate, less features, more expensive, but their images deliver the goods.

Nikon did some QC mistakes as of late (something that Canon didn't), so I wouldn't be a first adaptor, but if they are careful, they can deliver the mirrorless to rule them all; and push Canon to do the same, and then we are all happy with incredible hybrid cameras!

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RS is similar to all the other cameras. GH5 still king for minimal rolling shutter.

You know, until now there hasn't been a camera like this... It is a 1D C image in a body with much better video features... articulated screen, fast FPS live-view, small file sizes... It fixes all of the 1D C problems and even the 1.3x crop is gone.

For that reason alone it gets my respect.

Sure, a Sony or Panasonic mirrorless camera is going to be better for certain tasks, especially handheld video shooting (5 axis) or VFX (10bit codec on GH5)

But the D850 is that rare mix of full frame pro-level stills and cinematic 4K quality with no real issues.

It is a full frame and pro-level stills camera with 50 years of colour science behind it.

Is this offered elsewhere? Fuji? No. Panasonic? No. Canon? 1D C and 1D X II are closest. Sony? Close but no cigar.

At the very most basic level I wanted a 1D C with flippy screen and smaller file sizes and now I have it :)

38 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

Nikon did some QC mistakes as of late (something that Canon didn't), so I wouldn't be a first adaptor, but if they are careful, they can deliver the mirrorless to rule them all; and push Canon to do the same, and then we are all happy with incredible hybrid cameras!

Of course if Nikon did put this technology into a mirrorless system it would be a big rival to the A7R II and A7S II or whatever Sony brings out next, but I don't trust them not to fuck it up. The first casualty of shoehorning the D850 into a mirrorless body would be the D5 autofocus system for stills. They would need a new sensor, one with Dual Pixel AF. Not even the GH5 has video AF to match Canon and in stills it's better but still not D5-good.

I also think that an investment in Nikon mirrorless glass, the probable small selection at launch and the cost is quite off-putting just to get AF, when you can manually adapt a bunch of other nice stuff to a mirrorless mount - but then you are back to manually focussing not just in videos, but in stills as well which is a real deal-breaker for me.

Sometimes it's a case of 'be careful what you wish for'.

The best thing Nikon could do is collaborate with Metabones and make a EF adapter giving Dual Pixel AF level performance in live-view and video for their mirrorless camera, as live-view is critical on such a system, without an OVF, relying on only EVF / LCD.... Then make the entry-level Nikon mirrorless lenses affordable enough for the layman to switch over relatively quickly (a cheap fast 50, a decent zoom and a fast 35 or 28). This of course is about as likely to happen as Leica going into the sub $2000 camera market :)

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2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

 

Of course if Nikon did put this technology into a mirrorless system it would be a big rival to the A7R II and A7S II or whatever Sony brings out next, but I don't trust them not to fuck it up. The first casualty of shoehorning the D850 into a mirrorless body would be the D5 autofocus system for stills. They would need a new sensor, one with Dual Pixel AF. Not even the GH5 has video AF to match Canon and in stills it's better but still not D5-good.

I also think that an investment in Nikon mirrorless glass, the probable small selection at launch and the cost is quite off-putting just to get AF, when you can manually adapt a bunch of other nice stuff to a mirrorless mount - but then you are back to manually focussing not just in videos, but in stills as well which is a real deal-breaker for me.

 

If the patents they're filling is an indication, they will certainly go the Dual Pixel way. The big question is if they let it work with EF lenses. I think it will, with or without Nikon's help. 

BTW, that clock frame is lovely. Applied a quick effect in Snapseed and became even lovelier :-)

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@Andrew Reid

all I'm afraid is Nikon to be afraid of "killing" their own dSLR line. For me mirrorless is a certainty, I can not see myself buying a dSLr for any reason, in the near future or later.

I am not sure they can bring dual pixel AF, but I am pretty confident that they will have the second best AF in business. Depending their other features, second best can be good enough (I am a Canon dual pixel AF believer myself!) to produce the best full frame mirrorless to date (I am a super 35mm guy, but with a S35 crop mode, Imwouldn't say no).

The other thing I am most certain, is that a Nikon mirrorless will be Nikon compatible from day one, even offering the adaptor included with the camera. The rumors are talking about a very "sophisticated"(sic) one, and Nikon is well known for their lens mount continuity. I am also a native lens believer, I want native lenses for whatever camer I use, so their mirrorless offerings will be very important. From rumors and patents we have seen, they are up for some very original stuff.

I always admired my photographer's friends Nikon color science and lenses, maybe we will have a chance soon! I really hope so, but I am expecting Canon to knock back, but Canon has more lines to protect, so they may not knock back hard enough!

 

 

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I am asking from a stills perspective. I have been holding off buying a new Nikon stills cam for some time - waiting for this cam. Now not entirely sure between the 850 or the 810. 

Thinking about shooting solely in natural daylight with excellent glass. I just want good colours and clean images at base iso; lack of noise with high DR and colour depth.

I like to shoot in the rain so weather sealing is a must or a 600 would be a consideration. It is not a cost issue but rather is the 850 worth £1000 more (or even £1500 if I got decent used 810). Buying slightly used seems to make me feel slightly better about buying stuff.

So what do you think? Would like to hear your opinion. Sometimes a cam just takes 'nicer' pictures than others but most of the time it is just the newest kid on the block and people can get excited and/or protective. Picture quality is hard to see in charts & reviews that's where I like to hear real opinions. Thanks.

(After writing this I am leaning towards a used 810 but when I started writing I was set on a 850. FFS..)  

 

 

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The usability on the d850 is much better from what I heard. My biggest concern with the d810 is autofocus and the lack of a tiltable screen. I think those two things plus better liveview are worth the extra money.

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7 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

I've been offered a pretty decent deal on a d500 and this thread is making pushing me to pull the trigger :)

Don't do it :) The crop is murder. The image is decent in 4K but it's overpriced for what it is.

The D850 runs rings around it for both stills and video. Full frame is something else.

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1 hour ago, Nikkor said:

The usability on the d850 is much better from what I heard. My biggest concern with the d810 is autofocus and the lack of a tiltable screen. I think those two things plus better liveview are worth the extra money.

D810... You may as well get the D750... It does the same video quality and the stills aren't far off. Same mojo with colour. Handling maybe even a little bit more straight forward.

In fact for just 1080p the D750 has always been nice. I'd use it over the D500.

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4 hours ago, trifin said:

I am asking from a stills perspective. I have been holding off buying a new Nikon stills cam for some time - waiting for this cam. Now not entirely sure between the 850 or the 810. 

Thinking about shooting solely in natural daylight with excellent glass. I just want good colours and clean images at base iso; lack of noise with high DR and colour depth.

I like to shoot in the rain so weather sealing is a must or a 600 would be a consideration. It is not a cost issue but rather is the 850 worth £1000 more (or even £1500 if I got decent used 810). Buying slightly used seems to make me feel slightly better about buying stuff.

So what do you think? Would like to hear your opinion. Sometimes a cam just takes 'nicer' pictures than others but most of the time it is just the newest kid on the block and people can get excited and/or protective. Picture quality is hard to see in charts & reviews that's where I like to hear real opinions. Thanks.

(After writing this I am leaning towards a used 810 but when I started writing I was set on a 850. FFS..)  

 

 

I second Andrew, I would take a serious look at the D750. Love that camera.

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I currently own a D810 and a D750, the D750 is an all-round camera and i really really love the colours, the D810 is a whole other level of camera regarding resolution & detail, with that being said i would always choose the D750 because i know i can do everything with it and with the D810 there are some things i will struggle with, low light and low light focusing

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On 10/13/2017 at 1:03 AM, Andrew Reid said:

The best thing Nikon could do is collaborate with Metabones and make a EF adapter giving Dual Pixel AF level performance in live-view and video for their mirrorless camera, as live-view is critical on such a system, without an OVF, relying on only EVF / LCD.... Then make the entry-level Nikon mirrorless lenses affordable enough for the layman to switch over relatively quickly (a cheap fast 50, a decent zoom and a fast 35 or 28). This of course is about as likely to happen as Leica going into the sub $2000 camera market :)


Hell no!!! Would be battsh*t insane (from a business perspective) for Nikon to collaborate with a third party to make EF lenses work well on their cameras. 

Be much better if they cooperate with third parties for making Nikon F mount lenses work on their new mirrorless cameras. 

On 10/13/2017 at 9:46 AM, Kisaha said:

The other thing I am most certain, is that a Nikon mirrorless will be Nikon compatible from day one, even offering the adaptor included with the camera. The rumors are talking about a very "sophisticated"(sic) one, and Nikon is well known for their lens mount continuity. I am also a native lens believer, I want native lenses for whatever camer I use, so their mirrorless offerings will be very important. From rumors and patents we have seen, they are up for some very original stuff.


Indeed, this is very likely. 

On 10/13/2017 at 6:20 PM, Mattias Burling said:

I've been offered a pretty decent deal on a d500 and this thread is making pushing me to pull the trigger :)

The feature film I recently worked on, had the Nikon D500 as one of the cameras used on every shoot.

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1 hour ago, Gianluca said:

Resolution it's meh, rolling shutter it's massive, autofocus it's unusable... :anguished:

Yeah thats what I see as well. Aliasing is even worse than the 4K FF from A7rii which many people don't like. 

Really hope Nikon can do something better with their mirrorless. 

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