Robert Patts

I had an S1H...went to the s5iix and am back to my S1H. S1H image was truly one of a kind with that OLPF.

I have ran with the S5 + VA for a long time. The only real benefit of BRAW is file size and playback speed. You will get no additional benefits in DR or "motion cadence"

Try applying this LUT to your footage on export, (it is in the export window settings in Premiere)

https://we.tl/t-eHqZmP04NB

It fixes the gamma problem.

S1H is up there.

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1 hour ago, barefoot_dp said:

To each their own, but S1H has been one of my least favourite images to work with in post.

 

Why is that? I exclusively use the S1H and have had no problems in post at all.

16 hours ago, TomTheDP said:

The A7S3 or FX3 also have low RS. 

The Pana S1/S1H/S5 also has pretty low RS in S35 crop mode. 

I can say that in s35 mode the S5 is garbage when recording in BRAW. Perhaps internal on the S1H is better.

Are cameras that shoot PRR not an option? If so , you have the Fuji XH2S with very low RS.  

1 hour ago, kye said:

@Tito Ferradans shows the latency here and it seems like there isn't any...  linked to the timecode:

 

Weird. Newsshooter did actual testing and it was 192ms...same as I have found on the S series.

Five years in development and they still could not fix the issue with HDMI latency.

All I care about is if they fixed the HDMI lag.

I have both and they are easily matched.. They are nearly identical color wise when placed side by side. The main difference to me is the highlight rolloff is softer on pocket series.  The S line is nice due to the lack of noise, but the codec is more intensive on the CPU. But there is IBIS. Pick your poison 

@Parker I would love to see this in motion. Only issue I have had with the Lumix line is motion cadence. 

@HockeyFan12 I think others have mentioned online that it does not allow highlight recovery.

@gt3rs Here.

Great to hear the firmware update is out. Sad that CLOG3 only give it 0.5 stops improvement in DR

lol

6 minutes ago, HockeyFan12 said:

For BRAW, is the color Panasonic V Log or Black Magic Gen 5? 

I assume VLOG, as the review I read stated "V-Log or V709 will be selectable on the Live View monitor during RAW output.".

It does not matter...as Raw is Raw...and a simple CST node will get you where you need to be. No?

@Mark Romero 2 There is tons of bad footage on both sides, just due to peoples inability to grade and expose correctly. In regards to lenses, I use EF manual focus lenses. Even with an older Contax Zeiss, and a 1/8BPM I had to de-sharpen it in post a bit. 

If you look at this video, there are a few scenes that look just off. This is due to grading. Because, here it is again but with a "proper" grade. As I mentioned before, the Lumix lines require more "work" to get that nice look. 

I found an example here, that has a decent comparison of skin tones in the sun. But then again, everything in the sun looks nice. And nobody is moving. It is under mixed lighting and when people move where things look off and motion gets weird for the Lumix line. 

If you are shooting static objects, with no motion, it does not matter which camera you get. Get the camera that is easiest to fly on a gimbal. 

End of the day, it just a sensor in a box. It don't matter. BM gives me the nicest image with least amount of work. Lumix give me a nice image if I grind it a bit. Motion is off on the Lumix line. Don't know why. Could be rolling shutter or innate sharpness. I have tried the S1H....S1....and S5. All the same. 

But, if you shoot ADD fueled content like this, where it a bunch of quick cuts. Go for this camera. I have find projects shot like this is where this camera shines. 

6 hours ago, Mark Romero 2 said:

I know people were bringing up the particular excess red in Panasonic V-LOG.

I had the same problem when comparing the camera to my P4k. Even if sent at the exact white balance, the S5 had much different skin tones and had to have the tint/temp corrected.

Which leads me to the conclusion of this camera (Compared to the P4K)

S5 is a great camera that produces very sharp, clean images. Despite being shot in VLOG (With NR + Sharpness set to 0)  and with a Contax Zeiss 28mm, I still had to add blur to the footage to soften it a bit. At high ISO the grain is very fine, and pleasing. In the right settings it can produce a great image (Which can be said about a most cameras). IBIS is a plus. Huge plus. The 10bit codec holds up well, and I have no problem applying a grade via Dehancer. The LongGOP codec is not fun to work with, but then again nothing will edit as smooth as Prores/Braw.

So why did I return it. I feel something in the image is off. If you shoot a landscape / overview / nature, everything looks great. But as soon as you ad a person to the scene, something does not sit well. It is hard to explain. It has this look I am not a fan of, and I feel the motion is off. (I shoot at 25p and 180 shutter degree) Sunlight the camera is amazing. As are many. But as soon as you throw it in an uncontrolled light setting, it does retain the same nice look as the Blackmagic does.

The footage in the right settings looks great. But requires more massaging to get the look I want color wise.  

In the end I will be sticking with my P4K and will go down in a blaze of unstable shaky footage. 

Panasonic S1x series?

9 minutes ago, crevice said:

But DR is such an important feature for the "look" of the camera and I think that is something a lot of people don't discuss enough with the c70. Pocket 6k is great, but it is still using a Sony based sensor that has less DR. 

More DR does not make an image look better, as there is so much more that goes into it. The entire Lumix line has more DR than all the BM line, yet Blackmagic looks better.

Even the first pocket camera with it's 10 stops beat out many cameras that came after it.

@Parker How are you finding the motion between the two. I have always found the S1 line to look a bit "video"'ish at times.