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We cannot expect more from nikon z6mkii as it is the same sensor of s1/s1h/s5. Maximum we can get 1.5x 60fps.
We can expect atleast N-log and 10bit internal. 6k 30p Prores raw external. Full size HDMI! 

Not defending this crop nonsense, but 1.7x crop video is same as 1.5x crop in still. The number is bigger because of 16:9 ratio. 

https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-leaked-lumix-bgh1-camcorder-specs/

https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-leaked-lumix-bgh1-camcorder-specs/

Nikon is not in the list of h265 licensees. 

I really hope Nikon does not let me down here. If this camera doesn't come with N-log or 10-bit internal (At 30p, don't even need 60p) I'm probably moving away from Nikon. I'm not staying with a company that clearly will never be ahead of the video curve, plus all my Nikon lenses can be adopted to Sony. 

The truth is somewhere in between and I do not see Panasonic succeeding as much.
Panasonic had the SAME market share with Fuji last year, 4%, that is a huge disappointment for Pana with the dozens of products and a huge win for Fuji that started as a niche hipster manufacturer, and Nikon mirrorless apologizer (a lot of Nikon users had X cameras as smaller/backup ones).
Seemingly, with a few right moves, a dedicated video camera first and foremost, better video implementation and some video orientated lenses and upgrade of older designs, Fuji will surprass Panasonic, just like that and without too much fanfare.
if they also bring medium format to the masses, then that's it, they are going uphill.
where Panasonic goes, I wonder? Will they sell 100.000 streaming cameras to make it a success? Plus, 150.000 more S cameras? And 150.000 more m43? And how many Varicam or EVA?
Of course we have to see the official release, but if the pricr is NOT right, this camera will be another recent failure like the newest LX cameras and the v-blogging one, and maybe, even the S releases.
 

1. Some people just don't like the obvious artificial limiting/crippling of tech... they'd like real competition and better products
2. Some people actually LIKE the boomer-protectionism of the 1980's technology markets. I.e. hacks can just say "I own X or Y expensive camera! You HAVE to hire me now!"
3. Some people like to pretend that there is something "Magical" about $5000 or $15000 cameras that will give them better results over something like a Blackmagic P4K or capable DSLR. There isn't. 

Whilst I agree that the RAW back and forth discussion has definitely run its course; the last thing this thread needs is people just telling me what this camera can do and how wonderful Canon is being back in the game and delivering the goods etc etc..  I can read Canons marketing brochure for that.  
Any camera announcement thread should allow for talk of both the praise and the disappointments of a new camera, and shutting such chat down like lack of evf, fullframe and RAW for talk on how Canon finally strikes back is not of any interest to me.  
Let me make clear, I like this camera.  I like it a lot and I will be seriously looking at buying one.  However I want a balanced look at the pros and cons and not a fluff piece on Canon to help guide my decision.  
None of us have the camera yet and taking any critics of it now as though its a personal attack helps no one.  Everytime we get this with new cameras, especially Canon products; we hear counter arguments like, this camera wasn't designed for you, or its made for a different market... which is crap.  In a World where a hybrid does 8K when many professional video cameras do not, where we have BRAW from BM for just over a $1000, when even RED are bringing one of their cameras into the affordable range for low to mid budget users, I get weary being told what a camera should and shouldn't be.  
I do welcome positive talk of this camera and how this camera can work for you.  I also welcome discussions where this camera may let certain people down and why.  Looking at both sides will help me decide if this is the right camera for me.

This is all anecdotal but in my experience the Pocket 4K is EVERYWHERE in the low budget circuit, with its entry price of 1400 dollars and great image.

Doctor, doctor. Help me, I'm crazy.
Doctor: What is it Andrew? Divorce? Famine? Starvation? War?
Ah it's just Canon.
Doctor: Ah. Ok.
They keep cripple hammering things.
Doctor: Next patient!

Its not so much RAW, although RAWlite and BRAW have brought it to the masses; its about having an edit friendly codec.  Its about the ease of editing with what you shoot with without proxy or transcode.  I've shot in BRAW on a SSD drive and edited it directly on a laptop and delivered a video onsite within the hour.  So quick and works well with Resolve.  In comparison, H264 can take longer to edit.  I actually work quicker with BRAW in Resolve than H264 in Premiere.  Thumbnails load quicker, playback smoother so you can preview the finished video without encoding first.  Saves so much time.  
A Cinema camera should offer a professional codec for editing rather than a deliverable one you need to transcode. You say RAW workflow is as time intensive as transcoding H264, no its not.  The flexibility to work with what you have, to alter white balance and ISO so quickly can take the pain of correcting shots that didn't come out just right.  You can apply a LUT you used when filming for quick turnover or spend more time if you need to.
And yes, I have the P4K and soon P6K for that.  Its not unreasonable to ask for a similar workflow from a camera costing more.  
That said, I do like a lot about the camera.  The lack of proper codec is a negative, but for me the only major one.  I can live without the evf.  This camera ticks so many boxes for me; I am very tempted to look to buying one.  Its the camera the R5 should have been. 
With Canon it feels like specs are all over the place.  No consistent pattern across their line with what they offer.   The R5 should have the video recording specs of the C70 and the C70 those of the R5.  Then the R5 wouldn't need an overheating cripple to stop people from using it professionally and the C70 would be video camera of the decade.

It is when a photography camera gets it and in 8K....
Its not so much about heavy grades as giving a codec that plays well in editing suites even after grading.  H264 and H265 are deliverable codecs not editing codec  despite many believing them to be so.  
Its a great camera otherwise let down by a few things.  

The Sigma Fp and even Canon RP is lighter than the A7C
In some of the marketing Sony outright say "smallest and lightest full frame camera" as if their own RX1 series never existed.
So much for honesty

Of course. It should be a free market. There's anti-trust laws against collaborative market fixing and segmentation, nobody wants cartel behaviour.
But what's going on here is not a balance and it's not even really a free market.
It is a destructive race to demolish other Japanese camera companies, and Canon / Sony are the number one suspects.
A race to appeal to the masses at the same time as significantly raising margins and pricing the average consumer out.
A race to lock-in customers to specific lens mounts, and charge extortionate money for optics.
If the consumer could freely choose more innovative products, and more countries and more diversification and more niches were catered for, then it'd truly be a free market.
It's about less diversity, less competition, this isn't a win for us. If Sony and Canon succeed in killing Panasonic, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, Pentax and even Sigma's fledgling full frame camera business, a duopoly will be created like AMD vs Intel.
Personally I don't want this. I don't want a camera as dull as the A7C to kill APS-C Fuji X-Pro sales.
Fuji X-T4 and X-Pro 3 offer so much more innovation than the A7C.
They are strangling themselves.
The camera range the A7C kills is the A6000 series.
By using the A6600 form factor for the A7C, Sony is sending a message.
That range is going full frame, more expensive, higher margins.
But no new specs because they have to maintain the high margins. Same specs as the old camera (A7 III). Little investment in it, not even in new menus (crazy).
Sure I am all for the concept of small, full frame, compact mirrorless cameras.
Look at the Sony RX1R II. So much more innovative than the A7C. Look at Sigma Fp.
Making an interchangeable lens high-end RX1R II with pop-up EVF is one thing.
Slapping a bigger sensor in an A6600 and calling it quits, just to kill off other Japanese manufacturer sales, is quite another.
And the prices of the Sony lenses is quite self defeating.
But it is the soulless clinical blandness that bothers me the most.
In this industry...
Do we really want to end up with a dominant Sony and their soulless shooting experience, boring ergonomics, and Canon with their marketing games?
Just those two?
Rather than do something genuinely interesting in the APS-C market like Fuji has done with their rangefinder style mirrorless cameras, Sony has simply slapped a full frame sensor in one of the most unergonomic and boring bodies, it's the most unimaginative, most risk averse way to kill the crop sensor market I've ever seen.
Customers will likely buy it instead of an X-Pro 3 or X-E3, because hey it's full frame and Tony Northrup likes it.

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It's not needed, but right now it's the direction the industry seems to be moving in. Only Fujifilm and, weirdly enough, Canon really seem to be pushing the boundary in terms of APS-C sensors right now, and things have been even slower on the m4/3 front.

https://wolfcrow.com/canon-eos-r5-overheating-tests-the-true-story/
R5 testing in different conditions by WOLFCROW(Sareesh sudhakaran).
Checkout his videos and blogs. He has very good content. Just like G.undone he is too informative

https://wolfcrow.com/canon-eos-r5-overheating-tests-the-true-story/
R5 testing in different conditions by WOLFCROW(Sareesh sudhakaran).
Checkout his videos and blogs. He has very good content. Just like G.undone he is too informative

https://wolfcrow.com/canon-eos-r5-overheating-tests-the-true-story/
R5 testing in different conditions by WOLFCROW(Sareesh sudhakaran).
Checkout his videos and blogs. He has very good content. Just like G.undone he is too informative

This is the single biggest contributing factor to why the EOS R5/6 are the way they are.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure out how to put a heat sink in. They could have had an exposed heat sink system on the back. To increase recording times maybe the compromise would be to have the screen flipped out. I get that they didn’t want to put a fan because they wanted to keep the ethos of the R5 the way it is. They still could have done a lot to make video work better for the specs they put in there. They decided not too. And we all know why. 

This is a good post.
CFExpress cards do get very hot to the touch. So not surprising to see that they have built in overheating protection.
However the EOS R5 is not alone in overheating. Other cameras without CFExpress do too.
And other cameras with CFExpress do not (1D X III).
So the main factor is not CFExpress.
I think CFExpress probably does contribute some heat into the innards of the EOS R5 and makes the problem a bit worse.
But the main problem is always going to be the throttling of the CPU. Just like in your laptop when it's over the thermal limits.
In place of the CFExpress card slot on the EOS R5 should have been a passive heat sink like the Sigma Fp.
And the CFExpress card slot should have its own tiny heatsink like M.2 SSD drives do in a PC.
A bit of a re-design would be required, but it could all still fit into a mirrorless camera body the size of the EOS R5.
They just haven't been proactive enough in wanting a solution.
They know that pros should get a Cinema EOS camera, and they want to keep it that way.

Panasonic doesn't necessarily have to leap ahead of the competition, like they did with the GH4 & GH5.

If Panasonic can simply broadly meet the challenge of the R5/a7Smk3 (so doesn't necessarily have to have 8K, but say give us 6K to appease the "K obsessed fanatics", better slow motion of 4K 160fps with lots of trigger record options, and work with Atomos for ProResRAW. All of these easily achievable even with their current GH5 sensor! Doesn't need a radical leap forward by Panasonic), then Panasonic can have a hit on their hands even against the tough 2020/2021 competition so long as they keep the GH6 priced sub $2K. (ideally I'd say they should even price it a little lower than simply $1995, say $1.8K so that it is closer in price to the Fuji X-T4)

As many of us would happily take an epic Panasonic GH6 for sub $2K vs a $4K Canon/Sony

Plus remember there are great things in the GH5/GH5S (and thus the GH6) that I bet not even all the new Sony/Canons will match: Timecode, full size HDMI, waveform monitoring, DMW-XLR1, compactness, anamorphic features, excellent IBIS, etc

Not giving up in believing in Panasonic yet!

Z-CAM with ProRes RAW is in many way more useful on that camera, because you need to add the screen anyway, and it doesn't have a standard or widely supported internal RAW codec, so you may as well use the Ninja with it if you want to shoot RAW.
The 5.8K will be on the more expensive larger sensor models and I think 4K on the M43 Z-CAM E2.
I'll do a blog post about it in due course. Would help if they could keep me informed so I can prepare one. I'm not a psychic

Yeah, regarding Prores Raw licencing, I read somewhere about implementation of PRORES RAW internally in MAVO edge 8K camera, whether there were any issues regarding patents. Kinefinity replied that "Patents are restricted to US but not in other countries and we don't sell any products in US."