Django

Yeah that warping is weird, i didn't experience anything like that. wonder if Gordon used warp stabilization in post or could that even be rolling shutter distortion?!

BTW, interestingly, the first comment in that video has to do with the previous subject matter:

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Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how wonderful the Eterna film simulation is? Might make me use an X-H1 to shoot any projects that require quick turnaround and no time for grading. Also, you're the man Gordon! Jordan @ TCSTV

 

well the Eterna LUT for F-Log basically gives you the same result as the Eterna film simulation. So the film simulation can be viewed as an in-cam LUT.

anyways, just look up at the real world example of the music video project posted by @brianwahl for another take on the subject:

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I shot it in Eterna, and honestly I did very little to the image. Just a tweak with white balance and contrast/saturation to taste. With my Sony cameras, this would have required 4-5 nodes using a LUT, color manipulation to lows/mids/highs, skin tone isolation/correction, etc.

 

Eterna doesn't require much of anything to deliver..

44 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Sorry, @Django, but while Eterna may certainly reduce the work involved in post (which BTW, I already said), Eterna was meant for greater creative flexibility when grading. It does not eliminate the need for grading. And unless you absolutely must have quick turnaround, a graded image will almost always be superior to an ungraded one. 

well that depends on one's grading skills, actual footage & what you're trying to achieve. there is not one single general rule to follow on this topic.. 

as for Eterna,  Fuji says it themselves: The film simulation "ETERNA" is designed to achieve the "Cinema Look" in one take.

I've tried it and it can absolutely render a deliverable SOOC image. it has the added benefit of allowing greater flexibility in post than the other sims, again, if one should need it. But it's not what it was designed for primarily. It was to give a more suitable cinematic film sim for video. It's basically a LUT. You'll want to shoot F-Log if you want the greatest flexibility in post.

@jonpais i think you are confusing Eterna with F-Log. Eterna, like all the other sims can be delivered SOOC and is actually meant to reduce work in post:

The FUJIFILM X-H1 features the "ETERNA" mode, a new Film Simulation mode suitable for video recording, simulating the output of cinematographic films. Characterized by subdued color presentations and rich shadow tones, this mode can be used at 400% Dynamic Range (equivalent to approximately 12 stops) to attain video recording with a high degree of perfection while substantially reducing color-grading workload in post processing.

my experience with it is that it indeed requires very little tweaking but since it's pretty flat does allow flexibility -should one need it- other sims tend to crush the blacks too much.

@BTM_Pix My short experience with the X-H1 IBIS was that it was really solid when holding still or doing pans, walking is when you might notice some micro-adjustments but imo all IBIS systems somewhat fail when you start walking. it's what gimbals are made for. XH1 IBIS is still miles ahead of Sony FF imo..

I'm more concerned with the rolling shutter on XH1. it seemed to me worst than XT2 (borderling A6xxx). But maybe i'm wrong. Perhaps @frontfocus or someone could compare/measure it and report back to us on that.

say what you want about who started what first.. Sony is still currently the only FF MILC player. it's going to take a very solid first effort from Canon to make a splash..

Speaking of second hand C100's i ended up doing just that and picked up a minty C100+DPAF+Ninja Star last week. Whole kit cost me far less than a XH1/A73/GH5 and I'm still more impressed by the 1080p IQ of this old 2012 sensor than any of these recent MILCs. Not to mention NDs, pro audio & handling..

That being said i'm still looking for a hybrid replacement of the XT2 i got stolen last month and of course XH1 is high on the list..

We do have the A73 + Batis lenses at work. It's undeniably a powerfull & compact system that can produce some excellent IQ (hot pixels & bugs aside).

But i feel zero emotional connection to the camera or the footage. it's just a tool. No excitement. Unlike shooting with the Fuji.

I fully agree with most the pros/cons listed by @brianwahl especially that Fuji produces excellent usable SOOC results both in stills/video.

However not sure i can agree when it comes to lenses & manual focus for video. Focus by wire sucks for video imo: it's steppy, innacurate and the fast f1.4 fuji primes do make a racket.

I haven't tried the new linear mode but nothing beats mechanical with a nice throw imo. Sony also has the advantage of having so many adapters available & vast vintage full frame lenses to choose from. If i were to go back to Fuji i'd probably cop some Samyang cine glass to pair with it.

The FF + S35 4K is imo the strongest advantage of the A73 vs the odd 1.7x crop of the XT2/XH1. And for stills FF > APS-C.

But the analog ergonomics, colors & film simulations are still a strong selling factor and is what keeps me coming back to these quirky Fuji cams.

i can't compare with the RIII but i haven't really noticed any particular cadence issues or significant rolling shutter on our copy. haven't really worked with the raw footage yet though.

we did just get in some Batis lens and boy the IQ when paired with the A73 is something special. starting to see the potential of this new sensor..

Fujifilm X-H1 Bug Fix Firmware Update Coming End of March

Fujifilm X-H1 Will Get Improved Video Autofocus via Firmware Update in May

I edited my post to add camera pointed at changing subject/scene like guy did shooting his tele.. could that be a variable?

@Alex Uzan did you replicate the exact shooting conditions as the YT video? 4K 25p 100mb with AF-C, IBIS, Auto ISO and Face tracking on and pointed at changing scene / moving subject? 

btw will give this a try on my unit ASAP..

Never say never

@eoslover haven't tried it yet.. but even if it works, might it not fail again at any given time.. ? i'd like an official fix (if there is one) or recall addressing the issue.

46 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Fuji's got numerous issues and you never said 'epic fail!'. Sounds like bias to me.

Fuji has numerous issues to you. It has never had any serious issue such as dead pixels or anything for me.

You can call that a bias if you want, so what? I currently don't even own a Fuji, yet have a Sony A7iii. 

..and just to prove you are wrong about me:

On 3/8/2018 at 11:36 AM, Django said:

They're not getting away with it. Several videos and discussions about it. Fuji definitely F'ed up. H1 is sold as having superior AF. A firmware fix is bound to come quickly (or sales are going to hurt). I know I'm not be buying one until this is fixed.

 

 

and i've stood by my word. i'm no fanboy or brand loyalist and will buy whatever ticks my boxes and will call out any product/brand that seriously drops the ball.

23 minutes ago, jonpais said:

whatever mr superman.

I'm just an actual user here reporting a potentially serious issue that seems to be affecting a large amount of units. this isn't a $200 phone, it's a $2000 camera. and the 'date trick' seems indeed a fudge not a fix. why you feel the need to downplay the situation or call me a drama queen is beyond me but clearly there seems to be an aggressive pattern from you insulting anyone that disagrees with your opinion on a product or camera brand.

11 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Yeah, epic fail. It took all of one minute to fix the issue. Let's not be drama queens.

Evidently a firmware issue, not the sensor.

drama queen ?!!! not everyone buys these cameras to shoot ladies at the train station.. some of us actually count on these for commercial work.

we've had at least 2 days of footage affected by this issue..

oh and yeah it appears it is a sensor issue!!

anyways kudos to the youtuber for the "fix".. still blows my mind this wasn't flagged by Sony QC.

..even more so if this is an old bug. I mean they're on their third generation here.. SMH

@Attila Bakos yea the problem has already been mentioned here.. and yes the production copy we have at our office also presents the issue. epic fail from Sony imo..

22 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Most consumers rate all camera brands very highly when it comes to reliability anyway. If your camera needs repair these days, there's a 40% chance that it was was involved in an accident, not a malfunction.

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So what about the 60% left chance? I don't know about "most consumers" but i can tell you some camera brands are definitely more reliable than others especially when it comes to weather sealing, a very important factor for pros, especially sports. If your camera fails because of rain, overheating or any other type of situation during an official game, you can be sure you are getting ruled out by photographers, sponsorship or not. Also Nikon have had a substantial amount of recalls lately (due to outsourcing parts and quality control issues with their non-domestic plants). I know a few pros (including myself) who've left the brand due to that.

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The point is that, unlike Sony, Panasonic and Fuji, Canon is pushing filmmakers to buy their expensive cinema cameras by withholding features found on practically every other hybrid camera on the market today.

 

My point is that every brand segments their products. They all have different strategies and Canon take reliability & ergonomics very seriously. They will hold back on a feature if they feel it might stress the camera or impact resistance/wear/weather sealing (hence no flippy screen on 5D's/1DX's).

One could even argue Panny is withholding APS-C/S35 on their MILC's to upsell their cine cams..

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

Wrong. Olympic sponsorships have got little to do with reliability and everything to do with signing lucrative contracts that are mutually beneficial to both parties. Panasonic, which by the way also makes extremely reliable cameras, has been sponsoring the Olympic Games for three decades.

 

 

Damn dude why do you always have to make it a competition with Panasonic?!..

 Never said Canon was the only electronics company in the world sponsoring the Olympics or making reliable equipment..

However, it should be noted Panasonic are the official AV partner & Canon:  Still Cameras and Desktop Reprographic Hardware.

call me a canon fanboy but i'm with @docmoore on the 5D IV.. it is a fantastic camera. any pro stills shooter who's used a 5D will know why. the ability to combine single point back button focus and trigger continuous servo focus via front DOF command button is genius. none of my nikons or MILCs can do that. The mark IV takes the 5D to a new level with a bunch of great add-ons. the touchscreen is extremely responsive (like what you'd expect in 201X) and allows full control of the menus, gestures, and silent lens/shooting commands. it's got C-Log & dual pixel AF (actually an even better implementation than on C200). you can extract an 8MP still in-cam from 4K footage. Timelapse etc.. these are all cool features imo.

the 1.7x crop, annoying..sure. it is still less crop than a GH5 and if you're shooting in 1080p you're getting FF. every camera has its caveats.

the MJPEG codec. yeah it's a huge bitrate. but that also means very little compression and it's also 422 intraframe. it essentially gives you the same IQ as the 1DC which everyone here gushes over.

in the end, yes of course Canon segment the hell out of their cameras. they're also a little slow in product cycle/development. but as stated by the execs, they are very careful to ensure their cameras run stable (no overheating, bugs etc). and that's how they get the olympics and other events where camera failure just isn't an option.. 

anyone know if/how eye AF works in video mode? i keep getting an invalid program mode message when i try using it. 

feature is pretty stunning for stills.

2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Yeah but you can buy a Sony A7xxx camera and shoot FF or crop mode, s35. Best of both worlds. I really can't see a reason to actually buy a APSC only camera. Not even going the Speedbooster route with one. That way you can take advantage of both kinds of Native lenses. The low light on them is pretty scary good, as is the AF on the later ones, FF DoF. Win, Win, Win, Win. There is just no FF roadmap with the Fuji. Not the end of the world, but not great either.

I am not too sure they even make a Speedbooster for a Fuji do they? If so why not?

Yes of course Metabones & Kipon make 0.71x speedboosters for Fuji X mount giving you FF in 4K. Kipon even just released a smart adapter for Canon EF: 

https://www.fujirumors.com/kipon-announces-3-canon-ef-fujifilm-fx-gfx-autofocus-adapters/

As for "no FF roadmap with the Fuji".. well Fuji just released a FF camera last week via firmware update:

https://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-gfx-50s-firmware-update-ver-3-00-released/

@BTM_Pix XH1 has double the processing power of XT2. It should be able to handle AF-C @ DR200/400. Hopefully just a firmware fix.

22 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I've just looked at replicating this DR impact on AF on my X-T2 and, unless I'm missing something, you can't change the DR setting when its in video mode.

If you set up two custom profiles, one with DR on 100 and one on DR 400 for example, it always defaults back to DR AUTO when you switch to video mode. (Obviously another of the 'quirks' of the X-T2 is that you can't switch profiles while its in video mode so you have to switch back to stills each time to make the change)

So is the 'bug' here that they actually allow you to change it in video mode on the X-H1 and they should've left it disabled?

No DR200/400 for video is a new XH1 only feature. However it seems to be causing issues with AF-C which surely is a bug.

FYI only DR100 uses on sensor processing, my guess is DR200/400 causes strain to the AF-C off sensor processing hence the struggle.

1 hour ago, kidzrevil said:

Damn if I needed AF as bad as you guys do I’d be out of canera options ? is it too much to ask to see if the camera is any good when taking the traditional route and manual focusing ? Im still one of those oddballs that thinks AF is too early and too unreliable of a feature to be used in the field. What the computer wants to focus on and what I want to focus on in a shot...lets just say we don’t always agree...even in stills LOL. 

I really want to know about the more critical things about the camera like is the image prone to macroblocking ? Is there heavy noise reduction like the NX1 ? How does it compare to the venerable gh5 or the sony a6500 ? What about that divine looking Eterna profile ? I want to know where this camera is on the food chain compared to the other bodies we have available today. Im seeing pages of AF talk and im over it. Do we need to make a seperate thread solely addressing image quality and usability ? 

With the spreading use of gimbals and IBIS, good AF-C has become important.  Dual pixel AF is the benchmark.. to put it simply, it can put pro focus pullers to shame!

The importance of strong AF-C is even more important on Fuji cams as manual focusing is kind of dodgy with focus by wire lenses.

Actually I'd say this is Fuji's biggest setback for video imo.. I actually like performing a good manual rack focus and it's very hard to pull off (no pun intended) with focus by wire even with the best linear focus prime lenses.

So AF-C has to be great, ideally, flawless (a la Canon's DPAF).. nobody wants "OK AF-C" for video.. the slightest hunt or misfocus and your shot is ruined. So it's like get it right or leave it out.

XT2 with the latest AF-C update was really good. it remains to be seen if XH1 can match it at DR100..

As for the IQ.. the 200mbps codec really seems to make the image hold up better in post than the previous XT2 (100mbps) codec. This is especially true for FLOG where XT2 struggled a bit. Image here is very solid with low noise/macroblocking. There also have been comp tests which confirm this compared to Sony 100mbps XAVC.. Eterna is also a breeze to grade as stated above.

Solid AWB & overall color science is definitely Fuji's nicest asset IQ wise. It really shines in mixed light conditions where most other camera brands struggle/fail, while Fuji's seem to nail it every time. This is incredibly time-saving in post workflow..