mkabi

5 hours ago, Emanuel said:

5. Should the equipment be discussed?

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Yes, but only after the event has finished...

 

Really?

Where are the other people addressing it here?

But actually just an absence of respect for this community instead, from a few of the contenders lacking a mandatory care to comply the whole thing, after all...

 

So, people should detail it to begin with whether published in the front page or later by our host Andrew.

 

I shot with the Yi Camera... what exactly did you want to discuss about that camera?

25 minutes ago, Shell64 said:

Let’s do a phones only challenge. And you can only use the default camera app!

I like this, but if you have additional accessories... you should be allowed to use it???

And, I think we should allow more than just the default app, because there are other free apps available.

2 hours ago, Castorp said:

Its more funny to me actually that there is a culture of online behaviour (mostly the big youtubers) of single persons that believe they better understand the market than for example Canon, that no doubt make extensive market research and have a large number of pros come with input. I mean, why don’t you apply for a job at Canon? Since they’re so incompetent I mean.

Here is the problem with that argument, and many people have made that same argument.... in one version or another.

So you are are saying Canon has this "extensive market research [team] and have a large number of pros come with input" and the end product of all that is something like the EOS R or the EOS RP....

The problem with that statement is that companies like Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Blackmagic also have extensive market research teams and pros telling them what the people want.... why is it that they are able to turn out stuff like the a7III, S1/S1H, XT3, P6K???

3 hours ago, Yurolov said:

I did a Europe tour recently and went to all the big tourist spots across a lot of countires. 95 percent of people used phones. Of the people who had DSLR/mirrorless cameras, 80 percent were Canon, 15 percent were Nikon and the remaining 5 percent was a combination of Sony, Fuji and Olympus. 

If we are using anecdotal evidence here... I went to Center Island (here in Toronto) about 2 weeks ago... and I saw zero Canon or Nikon, but I did see 2 Sony a7 cameras and 1 olympus... about 1 month ago when I visited Niagara Falls, Ontario with the family.... I saw 2 Canons, 1 Nikon and 1 Fuji.... with those kind of evidences, I predict that given that these are high traffic tourist areas, people are dumping their Canons/Nikons/Fujis for Sonys and olympus camera within a 2 week period.

I'm just going to provide my write up here.

My shoot went from "What the fuck!?!?!?" to "Fuck it! I'm done, I don't care anymore..."

I was excited about the contest and thought, I hit gold when I got the winning bid on ebay (see pictures) - cause it was mft sensor, had 4K and it was under $200.

The lenses, I borrowed from friends and family, same with adapter.

While I was waiting for the camera to come through mail, I started scouting locations and pre-planning shots, and coming up with a mini-story in my head.

When the camera arrived, I had a solid 1.5 weeks to film and edit - I said perfect....

Thats when work (my real job) started getting busy and I was forced to take work home to complete the overloaded workload. Even then, I said... no problem.... I will just film during lunch hour, but everyday that week it was raining, and my co-worker who was willing to be the main subject of my video - he got busy and started working from home.

One production delay after another...

Now, the actual camera... I didn't know its flaws until after I purchased it, I should have looked at the reviews before even looking at this camera as a contender.... Its only 4K @ 30p no 24p, and there is zero aperture control while in video mode - so had to shoot wide open on the canon lens (and use variable ND adapter). There is no log, just 5 picture profiles, but I'm sure most here were facing that problem (if it is even a problem) - I just used standard profile. It had this flickering (modulating ISO, even when it wasn't AUTO) issue , but I figured out a work around (select Auto and then select HDR mode and call it a day). 

So, camera flaws plus production delays - then I see this shit:

So, I got Used Yi camera without lens for $175, just to find out I could have waited to get a brand-new one with lens for $150.

A day before the competition was supposed to end, I said "Fuck it" came across a parked old school taxi - filmed it for about 30 to 45 min. and editted it for another 45 min. 

Oh, by the way, did I tell you guys about how my macbook pro's audio jack was fucking up too... it was interfering with the audio speakers as well. So, I went over to my older editing computer which is still running FCP7 and some old version of Premiere.

The only thing creative I did was add "Taxi" theme song to the track... lol... I didn't even color correct it, thats SOOC.

15 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Nearly done putting every video into a poll. Took ages!

Hopefully get everything tied up tomorrow.

Cheers for waiting!

I bet you that you won’t be doing this challenge again (at least anytime soon)...

Too much hassle ?

18 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

You can always tell who lives in a bubble and who doesn't by threads like this. Most people I know don't even have room for an 85 inch TV. 

The vast majority of people will never own a television that can benefit from 8k. Hell, I don't know that most will ever own a TV that displays the benefits of 4K.

May be its a bit too early... but I don't think anyone lives in a bubble...

DBounce is stating facts here (at least some of them). Look, I understand that there are people that live in over-developed cities and live in condos/apartments that are the same size as some people's closets. Then there are others that live in normal sized homes (in the suburbs) whatever the average is in your city (in mine its about 1500 to 2000 sq. ft.). I have a 60 inch TV, and it has a huge bezel around it that it can easily be said to be 65 to 70 inch with a very thin bezel.

I know 2 people in my fam that actually own 70 inch TVs, one that owns 75 inch TV.... and its all 4K at this point [except my own; I'm planning on going straight to 8K, within the next 5 years (give or take) - and if I live in a bubble, so be it].

Consumers are pretty stupid in respects of resolution, you can tout that you will never truly see the full extent of 4K or 8K; but consumers want more... the more the better right?

Look, from my perspective... Best Buy has it... And, Best Buy.... where I live... is a consumer store... You will never find an Arri Cam, Red Cam, Sony Cinema stuff, Canon Cinema stuff, Cinema lenses or anything major... be it video or audio.... just a bunch of consumer sh!t.... and if his Best Buy has an 85 inch 8K TV, that to me says that both Best Buy and the Manufacturer (in this case, Samsung) believe that the general public is ready for it - especially if its priced at sub $3K.  

Fuck, that’s so cool.

Imagine the grander scale of this...

Create 1 studio space... and film everything there... forever... forget location shoots. Forget building sets... paint a ladder blue or green.... and your pretty much golden.

In my opinion, they didn’t even have to have a real motorcycle in that shot.

11 hours ago, leslie said:

when does the curtain come down ?

i found something local and about half the price of the conditional limits. i could probably race around there this afternoon and pick it up.

 

Just go do it... you’ll have fun!

1 hour ago, DBounce said:

Fyi: Red Hydrogen 2 is not (Komodo)... that's clearly a different product altogether.

I think the Komodo is a camera that syncs with the hydrogen phones???

You know what's really sad... It's not the Canon brand itself it's the little people in this forum (some of other forums) and especially Canon rumors....

People kept saying Canon is doomed...

To most respect, they aren't... although, it's blatantly obvious that they may be... But they are not... Cause they are just positioning themselves to just plain move out of the segment altogether. 

Which, would make their gear relatively like the NX1... Samsung isn’t doomed, but those that believed in them... are left stranded. If you are reading this... and you are reading this now... start jumping ship!!!

Here is mine:

2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

At some point Canon has to be competitive...

Haha... another hopeful...

The enthusiast crowd are very vocal, but Canon knows that its all talk and no walk...

Their bread and butter are consumers... and who do the Consumers follow??? The pros...

Even if the enthusiasts were able to sway the pros or the general publics opinion, then you get some crippled version of what what we really want.... only 4K/24p with 1.5 crop.... no 1080/24p.... no 1080/120.... so and so forth. Just look at the RP as an example... its not going to be better than that...

Motherfucker...

I’m done.... I officially forfeit that challenge...

I will still post my video but to this thread.... fuckin hell...

I just paid $175 for it without a lens.... so bargain wise.... I got bamboozled!!!

Its a shit camera anyway, I can’t control aperture while in video mode....

It is what it is...

I don't know.... I have a feeling that Sony is taking cues from Canon... who seems to be taking cues from Pentax.

18 minutes ago, wolf33d said:

It's 61MP with 15 stop dynamic range, but they just announced it's 4k, not 8k. 

 

Yeah... there is a possible a7000 announcement coming???

Otherwise... I support Mako in his comment here:

5 hours ago, Mako Sports said:

Yeah everyone is saying A7r4, Sony the king of releasing products nobody is asking for. I.e. A6400, RX0 mk2, FS5mkii, RX100mk6 ?

40 minutes ago, liork said:

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-leaked-images-and-info-of-the-new-sony-a7riv/

What do you think, is it fake?

Announcement will start soon.... its just 22 min. away.

So we can wait and see... but if true... wow... definitely exceeded my expectations.

39 minutes ago, Skip77 said:

How does 8K on the A7SIII work exactly? 

Rolling shutter will be major issue since the readout will be slower moving more information. 

Sony can't do 4K at 10 bit or RAW right now so how can they just jump ahead and do that at 8K.

Sony data rates are lagging behind the others and now 8K at 100mbps is going to look like what?

How do you go from 4K to 8K? What happened to 5K or 6K?

They need to get 4K right before they make a move up. 

They jumped straight to 8K TVs, didn't they?

https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/22/sony-2019-tv-pricing/

Do you own Sony equipment? I certainly don't.... you want 4K at 10 bit and/or RAW? Sigma just announced the fp!!! Get it! I'm sure its cheaper than $4500.

If I'm going to switch from say Panasonic, give me an incentive.

Look... If they got 8K semi-right (every camera nowadays are touting upto 400mbps; 8K at 400 mbps, should be okay...), then 4K will be super-right... even if you don't use 8K.... set it at 4K in camera and forget about it.

16 hours ago, Skip77 said:

I agree with Andrew in that the A7SIII has to stand apart.

Here's my prediction:

The A7SIII will come in alone the lines as the Lumix S1H -

• bigger body and new media cards are a must
• 4K 60fps 10 bit internal
• 4K 60fps RAW external
• Cine features
• Price $4,500
• Great AF
• Great color science

If Sony does this they exceed expectations along with pushing the retail price up. 

 

 

 

 

 

I respectfully disagree that those specs mentioned will “exceed expectations” as it only brings it close (but not exactly) to being on par with the latest competition being the S1H - which also has 6K recording.

I don’t know... I know most of us don’t need 8K... But, I wouldn’t mind having it as an option. Look, I also know for most of us and what we do... 1080p is good enough... 4K is literally overkill for family vacation stuff (forget about cat & dog videos; vlogging for YouTube included). But, a big part of me has stories that wants to make something for Sundance and Cannes; to literally publish in those 4K+ resolution... bah... may be I’m sharing too much.

Anyway, did you guys catch the sales at BH from Sony, I know it’s dumb to insinuate from the sales something big is coming tomorrow... BUT something BIG is coming

1 minute ago, KnightsFan said:

@mkabi All framerates are greyed out except 23.976 when in UHD CDNG, you can see it at 2:06 in the video above. And now that I think about it, they really should have 24.00 in addition to 23.976 if they want to call it a cinema camera.

Someone also said that they are going to add internal RAW later on.... hopefully they add 4K/120 later on too (via firmware update).

46 minutes ago, KnightsFan said:

 

3. No 4k60. Oh well. I can't really fault Sigma too much. They are a smaller company, and Panasonic is the only manufacturer who does do 4k60 FF at the moment.

 

KnightFan meet Video Hummus...

1 hour ago, Video Hummus said:

Very interesting.

I see UHD CDNG at 100fps?!

 

and thebrothersthre3...

49 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

I think all the frame rates were greyed out except 23.95 with CDNG in UHD. 

Whatever it is.... I hope its the latter.

Dayam.... Oh ?

I was reading the comments on YouTube... Now their reputation is really on the line - someone started questioning if their 8K cameras are really 8K? Or upscaled internally from another lower resolution... “how low can you go????” let’s do the limbo!!!

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

To help our Aussie friends, shipping cost is not included in the $200. So if just the camera is under that limit you're fine, and hopefully you might even have something that cheap lying around on your shelf to take part in with.

@Mattias Burling doesn't seem to struggle with price at the other 'end of the earth', that remote Siberian wasteland of Sweden... In fact, he gets his stuff so cheap, I once considered moving  the blog there. Mattias will be doing this challenge on a RED Weapon he traded in some bottle caps for.

ok.... listen... I bought something for $175 US already...

I didn't know the shipping and duties are all supposed to be within $200 too.

Shipping + duties easily makes it well over $200....

Just take it as it is.... I'm participating in this goddamn motherfuckin competition alright...

Since you haven't replied to my post, I'm going to assume that it is approved.

Can you also consider shipping times, apparently I won't get the camera for another 2 to 3 weeks.

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Rules tweak

The limit is now $200 / £200 / €200

Sweet!!!

But wait.... can I still work within the boundaries of $200 US and not CAD?

And, this is just the body... lens is separate cost, right?

If yes to the above, I already have one option in sight ?