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12 minutes ago, noone said:

I doubt it.  

It should be fine (great even) as a stills photography camera.

Video, not so much other than if you can use it for the short periods it can safely record at higher quality.

Yeah, but why was the overheat signal coming on after 1 hour of photo - then switching to video?

I think its the IBIS like Ajay was saying.... can you turn it off??? Well.... I guess... we may have a dud here if we can't turn off IBIS. 

Can you turn off IBIS on the R5?

Also, is the S1H - weatherproof??? I mean can you stand under the rain for any period of time? Just a question, not making a critical remark about S1H - in fact, I like that camera - it is Netflix approved afterall.

Ok.... look... if you're a professional and you are looking to replace your C200 with this.... don't...

I have a feeling they released this thing to shut the naysayers only to put their own foot in their own mouths.

With that said, apparently the XT4 overheats too? Anybody that has the XT4 - willing to comment? I mean I got it from this video:

Not saying that Tony Northrup is any sort of expert in anything in my opinion, but I felt he was pretty unbiased in this video.

I said it before, and I will say it again. Its a hybrid, and perfect for B-roll footage (nothing else). 

47 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

This is one of the reasons I haven’t even stepped foot in a cinema. It’s just comic book movie after another. Last time I went was to see Dunkirk. Seems to me a lot of movies have gone the way of electronics or fast food...just consumer mass market trash with very little substance.

You need to stop watching stuff that advertise comic book movies.

There are plenty of other movies, reality is movie theatres want everybody's money - not just people that want to see comic book movies. So, naturally, they will show other movies and examples of movies I saw at the cinema: Lady Bird, Get Out...

Wow... choreo... I can never get my actors to also do the stunt work.... fight scene fine... flipping to the ground... no no... 

Where’d you get these guys... that’s what I wanna know.

Look up rack mount monitors and collapsible suit cases that support rack mount equipment.

I guess it’s official... a7s3 will be announced July 28th. You know it has to be official when your local camera chain (Vistek where I live) sends you an email about the live stream. Unless Vistek.ca is into rumors...

This is an excellent B-roll camera... If you want to record small file sizes and 8K resolutions.... what production are you even on??? Is the work you doing even worth it?

Get yourself a proper camera for that... you want a hybrid that does it all... get this... frick... all you need is an R6, right? Well this does that and more... so if you cannot afford to get memory cards.... and 20 min is too little... don’t look at this camera. Start looking at the R6. 

In my opinion, I would get this over R6 cause there is some future proofing on the camera itself... I pay one flat fee of $4000 and not worry about upgrading every 3 years (@ $2500 a pop). Use just 4K @ 60 (like most people here want) which it already has... and all you need to do is set it up in the menu... shoot... even docs can live with 1080p for now....When I need 8K in the future... I have it already... longer record times.... may be not, but in the future there would a C100 Mark 5 or 6 with that... and I can still use the R5 as a B-cam.

$3999.99 on launch.
One year later $3299 to $3499.

Meh.... feels kind of underwhelming...

https://www.canonrumors.com/the-canon-eos-r6-has-shown-up-for-certification/

Is this really what you want? Feels like a repackaged 1DX mark 2.

Whatever, there is probably a market for "good enough" afterall.

5 hours ago, Mokara said:

It will probably be something like up to 800 mbps for the 8K H.265 encoded footage recorded at the highest quality setting. 

I don't know.... may be IPB....

I was just joking but after looking at the data rate table here:

https://www.eoshd.com/canon/canon-1d-x-mark-iii-finally-canon-get-serious-about-dslr-video/#more-21068

It could pretty much be real???

13 minutes ago, OliKMIA said:

While point #1 seems to be acted based on recent releases (1Dx3, 24p firmware update, etc.), I'm still curious about how Canon would leapfrog the current state of art camera like the S1H than can't even do full frame 4k60 on a smaller sensor implemented on a fan cooled body.

 

As we are all curious... I’m sure there is a “gotchya” protocol somewhere in all of this...

But at the same time, you can’t compare Panasonic who was probably looking at Canon going okay... “We should probably stay one step ahead of them because they are number 1 on the ILC camera market... so let’s have 6K... blah blah blah”

Meanwhile, Canon was probably was saying okay... “We number 1, let’s maintain that while spending little money to put out garbage for the next 10 years... minor updates here and there” contingency plan “let’s have a separate underground mad science lab that will give us something so unimaginable that when we put it out in 10 to 15 years... we maintain another 10 years while the rest of them catch up”

Remember this from 2016:

https://***URL not allowed***/look-canons-crazy-8k-camera-prototype/

I bet you it’s going to be some crazy bit rate something like 2000 Mbps or more that  they probably said to themselves you need 1TB cfexpress card to record 10 min. so they would probably have to turn off the camera to change cards... overheating solved. Plus no one can afford multiple 1TB cards... bonus!

38 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

 

Not really. Panasonic GH5 & mirrorless got their first. DSLRs were very late to 4K/60p.

 

Did you forget the 1Dx mark 2 came before the GH5???

By a full year.

2 hours ago, Mako Sports said:

lawl 

ngl I hate Canon but that was excellent meme

 

Come on bros.

Deep down, you know the Canon R5 is more like this:

I will be honest here, the only "rumor" that I was excited about in the R5 is the 4K/120 - that wasn't mentioned in the announcement, and there is a possibility that the cripple hammer will land on the rumor itself.... so it is what it is... lets have a good laugh and move on.

3 hours ago, Mokara said:

And did you read my response to that? Apparently not. I guess your knee jerked into your face so fast you were not able to, lol.

"For DSLRs sure, they have gone about as far as they can go, but MILCs can go much further than that (which is why DSLRs are fast fading into the sunset at the moment)."

I was agreeing with him ffs and then extrapolating to the future. As I said before, comprehension is lacking on your side.

It is it really necessary for you guys to contest every and anything I say, no matter what it is?

You are still talking about the technology... unless you are telling me that MILCs can magically transform the person behind the camera into Roger Deakins. 

39 minutes ago, eleison said:

1) Environmental portraits are very popular now a days;  it's just a lot harder with crop cameras.  Given enough distance from the subject, it's possible -- but in certain situations, it's just impossible.  I'm not sure what you mean it's "very subjective and content base"; either you can shot those type of clips or you can't.  Back in the day, I had a gh2 and the 18-35mm; and there were shots I just couldn't take - the combination of bokeh, and subject matter.

2)  3 feet is a big deal. That is why a lot of sets were built in the past because you had to be able to fit the camera.  Try shooting a bathroom scene in a typical Chicago or NY apartment - damn near impossible without breaking the walls with a super 35 or MFT camera or creating an artificial set (and that is one of the MOST important reasons big hollywood directors created sets - and they created alot of them).  For the small production or these that want to shot on location, crop cameras will not allow you to shot those scenes especially if the DOP wanted a certain DOF.

3)  There is boken on Mft, but its harder than full frame.  Also, Boken is based partly on the focal length and distance.  Once again, try to shoot bokeh in a small set, and some scenes will be impossible to shot without breaking down walls or having a larger DOF.

4&5) A lot more work than necessary on the crop cameras.  I think we can agree on that.

 

In either case, the public has already chosen.  They want full frame.  You may want crop/MFT, etc.. but even the manufacturers are trying to get into the Full frame game.  I'm not saying MFT is bad.  I believe it's all about the story.  However, at the end of the day MFT is more limiting than full frame.

1) Why do you want bokeh in Environmental portraits? Also, I don't think 18mm is enough for Wide Angle, try the 12 to 35....

2) I agree here, but you have to get creative too.... e.g. film from outside the washroom, I don't know about you but I don't know the difference between a tiny washroom in NY/Chicago vs. a giant mansion shower in California... if you're smart enough, do close-ups and only above the chest.... you can film a shower scene from a YMCA (with a shower head and tiles).... or a shaving scene from a mall public washroom (with plenty of room).

3) Same as 2)

4&5) But the effort shows in the pictures themselves, same 7D pictures example.

I didn't say I wanted crop/mft.... just saying that people are disillusioned by the whole FF look.... don't get me wrong, I would still opt for a FF over mft if the choice were available where both were similarly priced. I mean all people would at this point....

On 2/12/2020 at 4:39 AM, Mokara said:

Heh...you are the one with misunderstanding. Read the first sentence of his post dude.

I was obviously responding to his first sentence, not the second. Comprehension.

We can break down the first sentence too, if you want... cause the second is connected to the first and I am even bold enough to say its an elaboration of the first.

So the first sentence says "If you don't care about filmmaking, then "peak camera" hit for DSLRs years ago."

In my opinion, the keyword here is "you" as in the person using the camera.

My translation of that sentence is that 'if the person behind the camera doesn't care about filmmaking, then the 5D mark 2 from 2008 is plenty camera for them." 

3 hours ago, eleison said:

Benefits of a larger sensor:
1) Environmental portraits in film subjects causing shots to be more intimate.
2) In general, you don't have to break down walls because the lens are wide enough to cover the subject.
3) Obviously, bokeh; when the film/story calls for it, you will have it in spades.
4) in general, low light is better in bigger sensors.
5) taking pictures on a full frame sensor has the same aesthetics as taking pictures with a "quality" full frame image camera (5d2, d850, etc..) - basically, the full frame sensor acts like a hybrid image acquisition tool (both images and video).

 

I'm not trying to pick a fight here.

But, I don't know... I felt the same, but after trying out mft...

I got to call it as a I see it... Most of the above is mostly B.S. from online pundits.

1) <-- Very subjective and its content based not related to sensor size.

2) <-- Well, watch this video and tell me that 3 feet is really a big deal (may be switch out the lens for the 16-35mm):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFH6bmesqVE

3) <-- Plenty of bokeh on mft here (by the way thats my video with the stupid Yi Camera):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv0QRR3Nbh8

4) <-- This I agree with - but manipulating light with reflectors, external soft boxes, LEDS, flags, etc. even time of day (the golden hours) and working within their limitations is half the fun.

5) <-- This matters if you are not using any editing tools at all, but I've taken some amazing pictures with the 7D. And, they looked great straight out of camera. Funny story, I was working with a friend for a wedding, I told him... man its just a 7D + a couple of L lenses, he said that it will be fine. He was shooting with a 5D mark 2, and the groom wanted all my pictures instead. After reviewing my photos, my friend was blown away by them too, mostly because I captured a lot of those "intimate" moments. 

53 minutes ago, Mokara said:

We are still far from that. The limitations on modern cameras are primarily imposed by the processing power available, and that should continue to improve in the foreseeable future.  

For DSLRs sure, they have gone about as far as they can go, but MILCs can go much further than that (which is why DSLRs are fast fading into the sunset at the moment).

Wow... talk about misunderstandings.

IronFilm is not talking about the technology and limitations of DSLR or MILCs... he is talking about the “people” behind the camera... the “buyers” needs, wants and limitation from a filmmakers point of view, the artistic limitations, their limitations with regards to editing and showcasing it.

From that standpoint, “Canon 5Dmk2 / Nikon D7100 / etc (zillions of older cameras out there!) are plenty overkill for their stills needs.“

These things hold their value though... 

I was looking into the original 1dx... still in the $2K to $4K (Canadian) range and that’s used... some retailers on eBay are selling original 1dx brand new for $5K to 6K (CAD). As reference, if I were to pre-order the 1dx mark 3; it would be $8K (CAD).

So, if you are already a 1dx or 1dx mark 2 owner; and you are looking to upgrade... it’s not really $6500 (US). It’s $6500 (US) minus whatever your current gear sells for...

9 minutes ago, crevice said:

I do wish they offered their rawlite - these video files are going to be massive. Also very curious how much dynamic range this camera has for video.

Up to 14 stops in RAW (+ C-log) as per this video:

You can fast forward to 18:43 for the video review, still a pre-production model though:

*Applauds*

This isn't bad, not bad at all.

5.5K RAW at 60fps - damn. And, internal?

Only 5.5K at 30fps & cropped DCI 4K at 60fps with DPAF.... come on... could be worse, right?

I think its a true successor to the 1DC - given all the above comes with C-Log this time.

I would actually keep it as is.... remove the wires and find screw on caps on both sides.

So.... no XH2 or discontinuing the XH3 after XH2???