IronFilm

C'mon guys, let's give a hand for this handy Q&A addressed to Ebrahim, the most prolific EOS HD contributor to pair Mattias and obviously Andrew... Here's my small contribution:
http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/14890/kinefinity-terra-5k-6k-cameras-or-5k-for-under-5k/p1
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[summary by David (Peterson) aka IronFilm:]
"Terra 6K has the same sensor as KineMAX 6k
Terra 5K: 5K 60FPS, 4K 100FPS, 3K 150FPS, 2K 200FPS
Option of global shutter, native iso 800
15 stops DR with rolling shutter and dual gain mode
13 stops DR with global shutter
RAW 12bit + ProRes 10bit internal recording, KineLog3, 2.5" SSD
About the same size as a 5DIII (weighs less too, only 920grams)
HDMI out with type A connector (big connector), 3.5mm Mic in
SDI and XLR are there as well.
New KINIMON and KINEGRIP 2 has also been released (uses Sony BP-U30 instead of Nikon EN-EL15 batteries).
The 6K version costs slightly more (at around $5,400 US or 34,900 RMB on the Chinese mainland).
It features 6K at up to 25fps, 4K at up to 100 fps and 2K at 225fps.
KineFinity cameras can use standard off the shelf SSDs (like the BMPC4K does), so no need to waste your money on expensive MINI-MAGs like with RED cameras."
 
Note: 15 stops and global shutter dual option only on Terra 5K.

Calm down buddy. Its the internet...
If you can't handle criticism, I suggest you keep quiet and never interact with anyone online. In fact, you were pretty critical with a smile, "I playfully and humoursly and accuratly shot down your Idea." I've fired people with a smile... does it make the blow easier for the person getting fired?
If I sounded defensive, I'm sorry... I'm sorry if I didn't sound jovial, add emoticons or add words like "ha ha"
But, in my defense (oh no, I used that word) I did have "lol" in my last post... not enough?
I'm sorry if you thought that I was belittling you... you aren't dumb... 
Again, I wasn't clear enough... I said "VR in general, not specifically 360 degree ...is about emmersing yourself in the experience."
But I also said, "Suppose it is a bedroom, and you have a multiple partner fantasy... Suppose you're a girl using VR porn...
Use your imagination..."
May be I should have left a big space to say its a contradicting statement and possibly include the following statement, [Then again, there is a place for 360VR porn such as]
Ok fine, my fault.... but to be honest though.... (No emotion here, totally stoic) I don't agree, that "360 degree vr porn would be useless."
My reason:
From a business point of view... porn isn't just for heterosexual men anymore. Well, there is obviously a whole faction of gay porn.
Not to mention... what... 60% of the population are women... and some of them are lonely and/or horny women that watch porn.
If I was in the business of making porn, VR porn or 360 VR Porn... I would make something that will make the most money, hence make 1 video that is beneficial in terms satisfying everyone's fantasy.
Now for light hearted humor:
Here is something with a smile, I'm humorously and jovially saying "fuck off!" 
Wait for it.... Hahahahahahaha!
Not enough? LOL and LMAO... over and out.

Half hour clip is roughly 8 * 4 gigs, so you can calculate the bitrate from that ;-)
http://nikonrumors.com/2016/01/08/nikon-d500-specifications-and-features-explained-confidential-nikon-internal-document.aspx/
(so is well over 100 Mb/s)

How can Magic Leap be the world's most secretive start up if there is a video about them?!

It could be priced higher, US$2K or even US$2.5K for the 4K sensor in the Terra body.
A lot of us are really liking the concept of this smaller form factor of the Terra body. If they could squeeze in the 4K sensor into that as well, many of us would be perfectly content with that image. 
And a low low price is what would get many of us to take the plunge on ordering from overseas a camera that is seen by many (unfortunately) as a fringe player. And then the success of that is what will lead to people taking the plunge on ordering the higher value products from Kinefinity.

Even just a stripped-down Terra-like body with the innards of the Kinemini 4K for $1500 would kill. Shit, I'd buy two.

for 1000$

I would be so awesome if knefinity did something like the bmpcc, like a small compact camera sized camera with a built in screen and the kineraw colour and codec.
 

Maybe consider the Panasonic GF-7. I havent used one but it is compact, attractive and comes with a nice lens and has a selfie tilting screen. 

How to make VR porn:
 
In other totally unrelated news.... I've just ordered all the parts for my own VR camera.

How to make VR porn:
 
In other totally unrelated news.... I've just ordered all the parts for my own VR camera.

I had to come up with about 50 of these for a project where they had the unlimited stock photo account but a very low budget. It got to be kind of fun, other than the deadline had me up til 2 and 3 AM. 
This kind of stuff can add to your billable hours - since most of us have decent computers, after effects and photoshop and AI, if you can learn character animation, animating charts and data, or basic animation of things like manufacturing processes… you can really add to your billing (more for one-man-band guys than studios with dedicated animators anyway), farm less stuff out, and have more tools for telling business stories for marketing videos.
 

Why is the Pix E5H to much money? An extra $150 over the Atomos and better build, plus it now has the professional XLR inputs available.

The thing I like most about Kinefinity is that they very obviously listen to what filmmakers want in their cameras. 
They've literally given everything you could ask for with the Terra, including a really decent, accessible price. 
Mother camera brands are largely segmented with their product range, and therefore got crippled one way or another - such as the FS5's "10 bit" 50mbps HD XAVC-L. Simply not good enough. 
Full frame with the KINE Enhancer too. This could be the best camera release in ages.

Good idea, the G7 is awesome. But be warned, after a few weeks with the G7, you may be eyeing the GH5 instead of the 5DIV. Just sayin...

LOL so hard that they have a pic of an EX3 in the B&H photo

Battle-Tested (used) KineMINI 4K From $2,499  4K 12bit RAW
http://www.kinefinity.com/shop/kinemini-battle-tested/?lang=en

So basically it is a Tascam DR-10X with a microphone glued on permanently, and a hotshoe.
Still, a really good idea. A strong competitor to the Shure VP83F LensHopper & Saramonic Vmic Recorder Video Microphone.
But I just wish Zaxcom had not crushed legally the sales of Tascam DR-10C in the United States, as that is what this link I'd hoped would be about.

I'd sincerely appreciate to have more and detail information on this product, as well, full price, etc a year later from such promising presentation:
 
Here's more on topic:
http://www.studiodaily.com/2015/04/smarter-focus-assist-andra-redrock-halo-preston/

Could it be that finally, RED and BM are both busy with actually manufacturing their cameras? :D

Ugh, why not just put Ursa mini OS on it?! They would sell like crazy?! I wonder how much more it would cost them per unit to make that a reality, how much processing power does LUT support need?!

Btw, Virtual reality has a lot of possibilities for narrative films. I don't know if or when it will be something common and not gimmicky, but it certainly opens a lot of new ways of telling things.
There is the straight forward thing of putting people in the action, as if they were actually there. But soon filmmakers will notice all the things you can do to transmit mood meanings,etc through perspective,etc...
For example, a tele shot in virtual reality will be something epic, because it is a very different way of seeing. You start moving away from conic proyection into a cilindrical proyection, giving you sort of a god like point of view. The typical vertigo compensated zoom on the otherhand, will be totally crazy. But no need to overdo things, lets take the compensated zoom, you can have a scene where someone walks into a place and experiences something stressful, lifechanging,etc... During this scene the center of perspective starts shifting, beginning to be opressive, like people experience in real life (for extreme cases check alice in wonderland sindrome).
The only peoblem is that you could stress some people too much and make them puke

I feel like the guys at Aputure noticed... 'geez, what are they charging for that sorta gear? I thought cameras were starting to allow more people an entry into filmmaking... guess it's up to us to make the rest of the gear follow'. Monitors... LEDs, accessories (like DEC schtuff). Not too shabby at not too shabby prices!
(oh and how many times I notice myself saying 'aputure' when I meant 'aperture', speaking of branding that sticks)!

"Nothing better than getting together with friends in a dark room to touch each other at a deeper level" ~ Ange Lee

:-o :-o 

Oh hey, so do I! Did that yesterday: