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Different companies have different priorities for their reputations. (and companies can also misjudge the impact of compromising in one area over another) Sony is gunning for "small" and "full frame" (which leads to overheating and poor battery life, that is their trade off) Panasonic is gunning for "reliable" and "long battery life". Small/FF certainly is popular with hobbyists! Reliable/battery is popular with professionals! #potstirring hahahaha! Ok, I'll give you a point or two there. 6K anamorphic, very true! Is hard to count the cameras on your fingers that can do this for sub $10K and need more than one hand. ETC mode? Been around since GH2 IBIS? Common as chips. Articulated screen????? Ditto!!! Even more so.

IF that is true, then obviously the GH5S has a massively bigger profit margin than the GH5. Which would prove a point opposite to what you are saying before. (that Panasonic removed IBIS as was worrying GH5S might cut into GH5 sales too much)

It only takes ONE product flop (such as shipping a camera with a 20 minute battery life, if you switch on all the features) to harm the entire product line's image. You'd get countless mindless idiots telling other idiots "don't buy Panasonic because they have poor battery life", when the exact opposite is true! (for all but one)

No one has ever said that is the only reason it is not included. Just pointing out there is also an upside to its exclusion, and it is not all negative. And clearly Panasonic is targeting niches of niches, as that is the way to make headway against the duopoly's strangehold. Thus it kinda makes sense for them to consider offering a non-IBIS model if it gets requested. (obviously not ALL THEIR CAMERAS without this, but at least have *one* model without it. Which is what they have done. I bet we will have to wait a long long time before they offer this niche of a niche camera again that is without IBIS) The only way a person wants a cheaper product purchases instead of a more expensive one, is if strangely the margins on the cheaper product are bigger than the more expensive one (which is not common, but does happen). Well if this is true, that only proves my suggestion that Panasonic had no spare fat in the budget to cram more features into the GH5S while still meeting their target price point.

Well there are so many reasons, we don't need all of the theories to be right! Even if only one of them is the real reason, that is quite sufficient. For me just this one reason here strikes me as a highly likely one: COST! Because the GH5S is already the most expensive ever MFT camera, imagine how much of a backlash they might have got if they'd pushed the price even higher? I've got no idea how much IBIS would cost, but if the addition requires redesigning the body, then that will very very sharply increase the costs! (and get even more people mad that they need to throw out their GH3/GH4/GH5 cages, or worse... their waterproof case they'd spent mega $$$ on!) Such as? You can find 10bit or 4K or slow motion on quite a few sub $10K cameras. I was going to say perhaps waveforms is somewhat unique with only a handful sub $10K ones having that, but hang on once I think about that for even half a second I realise it is clearly nonsense, because hey even the lowly C100 has that! So what exactly are you referring to @jonpais that the GH5 has but very few sub $10K cameras have? (remember that 4K 60fps even exists on lowly action cameras now!)

It is astonishing how many cameras lack TC! C100/C200/FS5/FS7(if without XDCA)/FS700/FS100/EX1/etc etc etc Seems five figures for a camera is the point at which then TC becomes "normal". Sub $10K RRP then TC is quite rare :-/ With a few exceptions, such as: Panasonic EVA1 and Panasonic GH5S!! Thank you very much Panasonic. Maybe, just maaaaaaaaaaaaybe, Panasonic saw the writing on the wall with the Tentacle Syncs and Zoom F8/F4 (Tentacles + F8 is a GAME CHANGER!! For bringing quality features + TC to a very low low price point, in very small packages too!) and thus Panasonic decided to implement timecode more widely with their products?

Would be very nice. One of the great benefits of this amazing lowlight sensor would be with a superzoom lens on an ENG camera, that can still perform well even with a slow F stop at the end of the zoom Sometimes you get very complex arrangements around sensors. To give one very simplified example (actual reality could be even more complex!): One company will license a design, another company will extensively customise the design to develop the sensor for their own needs, then yet another company (a 3rd one) will be the one who actually physically manufactures the sensor. Any one of these three companies could describe the resulting product as "their sensor" if they wished to (and their contract allowed them to).

. Hopefully if they get popular enough we'll see plugins.

The perpetual question for the ages: insane lowlight or crazy DR?

Most (but not quite all) of those guys are photographers, is it any wonder they get it wrong when they review a camera which is first a video camera? (and only secondarily a stills camera) Most photographers don't have a bloody clue how to do video right! (yet they still do it anyway unfortunately.... as their clients are asking them for it) Thus you see such total unbelievable nonsense in reviews such as saying increasing the shutter speed will reduce rolling shutter!!! wtf This is why when extrashot (who *ARE* videographers) made a comment about a sound feature (the TC) of the GH5S, that I'm feeling skeptical that Panasonic really did screw it up that bad, and instead the reviewers just got it wrong. Because they're commenting about an aspect which is far outside their area of specialist expertise. Hilarious to think about a company being worried a more expensive product (GH5S) will canabalize their cheaper product! (GH5) LOL

I posted about that a while ago. My desperate hope is the reviewers don't know what the hell they're talking about (which is very very likely!).

Don't the AJA Cions still sell secondhand for a lot more than a secondhand URSA Mini 4K would? Which is my preferred option over it.

And yet people will complain over and over about a camera having 12 stops of DR instead of 14+, and call it "not a cinema camera because the DR is too low"

You're tempting me @Cinegain to use that downvote for a 2nd time! ;-)

If you wait until the a7Smk3 is announced (which who knows is when... might not even be this year! Maybe. Maybe not) then you will have to wait for the GH6 which is just around the corner... but after that comes out, you'll wonder if you should wait for the GH6S? But then after the GH6S, perhaps wait and see what happens with the a7Smk4? And so the cycle never ends...

You are thinking of the new Osmo which is $129 However: "Pricing hasn’t been set for the Ronin-S" No way will it be $129 as well!

I wish it was EVA1/C100/FS5 form factor however. You can call me David if you wish :-) Or Iron! Or IronFilm! Don't care :-P As I've said many times, a7S doesn't have an overall two stop advantage. Sensor tech / processing matters far more. You're talking about an extreme scenario where it is "do anything to get the shot", such as opening up wider with the F stop (and wider focal length too perhaps), and changing the entire lighting scheme. I'm talking here from a practical scenario that commonly happens on film sets over and over again all around the world. There is a creative choice in the DoF that is picked which is appropriate for the story to be told and the director's vision (so DoF is then fixed, or at least the "DoF range", unless you get *forced* off it due to technical/logistical issues), how you achieve that with a 4/3" sensor or a Vista Vision one doesn't really matter in the long run. You just then select appropriate lenses to then achieve this. But my additional point, is that in this selection of lenses for that chosen DoF, you put on the back foot when using an a7S vs GH5S (or a S35 camera) as you'll have to set the lens now to a higher F stop.

That is for phones / action cameras. Not mirrorless/DSLR

Original GH5 was the first ever stills camera to do 10bit internal. GH4 was first with 10bit external.

Not often, but sometimes during the year I will have people who prefer to shoot with me because I own the F3 than a teeny lowbudget DSLR Strange but true, I could even have a GH5S! But wouldn't be mattering. Ah well. Plus even myself personally, I do like shooting with it! XLR inputs and built in ND filters, plus all the quick easy access buttons and dials on it, really is a nice shooting experience which no DSLR/mirrorless quite has yet. When I shot a NYE party a few days ago I shot most of it with the F3. Only switching over the D5200 when the crowds on the dancefloor got so jam packed I had no space to move around with the big camera!

DoF does matter (note I am not saying "deep DoF", just saying "DoF"). Put yourself in the shoes of a DoP, and read again carefully what I wrote: You can not simply "shoot with the fastest lens you have", that might not be appropriate for the scene or the story you're telling. Neither can you simply step back for a wider shot, as again that shot tells something different, and it won't be what you had in mind for the story. Thus to match DoF with what you chose for the scene, then with the a7S you need higher ISO setting to maintain exposure, which puts the a7S on the back foot vs a GH5 (or even a S35 camera).

The Sony F3 is worth so little that there is no point selling it. And having a big "cinema camera" in the eyes of some people can have its benefits too, that a DSLR will never quite do :-/ Sad but true. I agree crazy high ISO is silly, but good clean 3200 or 6400? Fantastic. It means you can shoot faster with less lights:

No, you can not feed TC into a camera via HDMI. I am sure it technically could be done. But it has never happened, simple does not exist on any camera in the world. Is more than just bounce boards, also cutters/floppies/scrims/etc

I brought it in because sometimes you need to take it step further with an analogy for a person to really get the hang of it. As you are subconsciously realizing, it is not about twice as much light hitting the sensor, but how that light is then USED! For instance with the "sensor technology and processing", as you said so yourself ;-) This is where the GH5S is doing very very well indeed.

Yeah but you very rarely want TC out vs how often you want TC in! TC out over HDMI doesn't even count as "having TC".