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Emanuel, you still own 2x R1?!

Oh shit. You are right.

I feel you are totally missing here when DoF is brought up. Which is as the DoP, you (together with the director) decide on a certain DoF you want to shoot a scene at. Do you for instance only want the tip of the actress' nose to be in focus or do you want her whole face to be sharp? Do you want the person she is sitting next (imagine you are shooting down the bar, not straight on) to to be totally blown out of focus and not clear (you might), or do you want her to be out focus but still kinda clear who the person is, or do you want them *both* to be sharply in focus? What you pick depends on the scene and story you're trying to tell, what is appropriate to match with it. Then whatever DoF you decide upon after that (be it a few inches, or a few feet) you then translate that to the right F stop (well... T stop, if you want to be consistent across lens changes) to shoot on your lens. And if you're using an a7Smk2 instead of a GH5S, that F stop is forced to be a lot higher! Which thus starts you off at a disadvantage in a low light scene vs a GH5S.

Well I use eBay sold listings as my guide: And either come at around US$1.5K ish. But I'm sure with your secret bargain sources you could easily do better? ;-) As I keep on being told my eBay prices I see are not bargains after all :-/ :-( Damning faint praise indeed! ;-) But I'd agree with you.

Exactly. And that is the original GH5 which comes out ahead of the a7Smk2 Yes, twice as much light falls on a FF sensor than a 4/3" And people repeat this over and over as if somehow this is an automatic trump card which wins the argument. When this is very clearly false!!! Even a super simple test of this statement shows how outrageously false it is. Compare say a 5Dmk2 video vs a GH5 (the original! Forget about the GH5S for now). Clearly clearly the GH5 is doing better in lowlight than the 5Dmk2. You'd have to be blind to say otherwise. So hopefully that makes it super clear it is not just about the amount of light which falls on the sense. As rather arguably what is more important is how the light is used by the sensor! It might almost be best to forget about sensor size (as it is the sensor engineers who need to worry more about that than us), and just focus on the resulting image instead! :-) I basically almost NEVER give a downvote. But was forced to join @jonpais here and do the same! As SERIOUSLY? Have you even shot with a RED ONE any time in the last couple of years or so? I have, on quite a few shoots (usually sound department, but sometimes as DoP too). Never by my "choice" though! ha Under the right conditions the R1 can be nice (but so can almost any camera....), but the lists of cons for the R1 is so extensive! That for 97% of users here the R1 would be a bad choice indeed. Heck, even I'd rather shoot with a BMPC4K + URSA Mini 4K combo than shoot with one RED ONE MX. (which the two cameras together secondhand would cost similar, or less, as what a RED ONE does) And the 4K sensor BMD used in them was the worst BMD ever put out!

There is no APS-C stills cameras that do better at lowlight than the GH5S. None. And in my views and others, the a7S loses to the GH5S at high ISO ranges you'd use. Not for video that I know of.

When it comes to lowlight, then yes the GH5S is better in lowlight than the a7Smk2 Especially in a practical sense as MFT sensor allows you to use faster lenses than would have been practical on the a7S. It really is pretty simple when you think about it & try it out.

Yes it will. Pick any of the consumer camcorders with SD quality. Or heck, one of those VHS tapes camcorders!

Because it is rather niche scenarios where IBIS was a problem. (but exactly where the GH5 would be a B cam on higher end productions, like on a car rig. So the GH5S will then be perfect for them!) I am sure that if Panasonic could have offered IBIS and still hit their targets, then they would have! And Panasonic is not saying no IBIS is better, just that losing IBIS is not going to be all a negative. Exactly! I think this is quite possibly what happened. Panasonic just can't win :-o

This is why there can be such a big disagreement between people as to how many stops a camera has! One person might disagree with another as to at which you can see the last stop or not. Other people might count usable (which opens its own kettle of fish!) stops, while another just counts all stops. That doesn't even count the mistakes people might make... such as not shooting at base ISO for their test.

I have my fingers crossed we'll get an answer eventually on TC! The second my local store has a demo GH5S I am going over and asking if I may do a video for my vlog in their store of the TC feature! Then we will know. Could you link to it. As the GH4/GH5 isn't dropping frames for TC... as well it doesn't support a TC input! Ha Might have been video frames it was dropping, but that is very odd, we'd have heard about that! (just remember all the cries of anguish when people experienced it with the BMPCC etc...)

At the very least it will shut up many a7S fanboys who look down on Panasonic users! For that I alone I am super grateful :-D Plus giving us TC for the first time just makes me doubly gratefully to Panasonic! You stole my heart guys (but you had it already!). http://ironfilm.co.nz/leaked-the-specs-of-the-panasonic-gh5s-finally-we-get-the-first-stills-camera-with-timecode-i-o/

There we go! We're finding a solution already :-D lol

They likely didn't do extensive testing. I bet it varies, depending on how long it has powered down for. (this has been my experience with TC on many many many other cameras) But if it is a consistent 9 frames, then a firmware update will indeed be the easiest thing in the world for them to bring out ASAP :-) Why do you want ISO 400,800? Isn't ISO 100,000 enough? ;-) hehe

When can split hairs about that number, you say 1600 ISO, I might say 3200 ISO, a clean ISO nerd might say 800 is their max (!!). Some bold fellow might even be perfectly happy with 6400. But the core point remains: the GH5S is *better* at lowlight for any ISO level you'd actually use! (as we're never going over 12800 ISO on the GH5S, especially once DoF is matched) Good news, you can run the GH5S at F4 with the lovely 12-60mm f2.8-f4 and also "just be there" in all lighting situations! And it will look better than the a7Smk2 does at f8 Nope, GH5S is going to be better in lowlight than the a7Smk2! I have been saying for a long time that "shoots lowlight" is a feature that has been ticked off for ages now. Any one remember the bad old days of a DVX100 or later say EX1? No wonder everyone was obsessed with better lowlight! That all changed with the HDSLR Revolution. Even the old ancient GH2 wasn't so bad: Now the GH5S puts the final nail in that coffin of "needing lowlight!! (and the a7Smk1 put the last few nails already, but the GH5S is the final nail!) It is over. The mission is complete! Let's stop talking about lowlight now. And instead focus on more important features we want. Such as built in NDs on a GH series camera ;-) :-D

My bet is it is a reviewer mistake. Just seems far too odd otherwise. But yes, IF true then hopefully their first firmware update should keep it constantly jammed to the source! It isn't the absolute end of the world however if I come across a camera that does this. As I'd hook up my Timecode Systems :wave to the GH5S, then jam an Ultrasync ONE to my F4 which receives TC on the :blink network. Thus both my recorder and camera remain in perfect sync! Too easy ;-)

Was shocked myself when I saw that yesterday, I posted this comment immediately on the video: This is the problem when you have non-sound people reviewing sound features, the odds are very high that they made a complete screw up in their assessment. Or at least that is what I am HOPING happened!! The GH5 was announced late 2016. For it to be announced late 2018 would be following the rough 2 yr plan. So I'd easily give it 50/50 odds to come out late this year or early-mid next year. And yeah, GH5S will have at least a two year cycle too. (it is a new series the "S" variant, so too tricky to say what they might do in the future. It might be they only offer a "S" variant in alternating GH updates? Because the "S" variant is a much smaller niche. So GH6 might skip it, then the GH7 gets a GH7S? Who knows! )

Setting exposure is one of the most basic things a person should first learn!

Built in NDs. SDI outputs. Better TC implementation. Etc... People forget what a difference the rest of these can make! I'd bet in post once you push the files around then at 20000 the GH5S will be better than the a7Smk2 The a7Smk2 only looks better at the super high ISO ratings if you're doing straight out camera with no/minimal post work. And seriously if you're shooting GH5 at 20000 and that is not enough, what the hell?? That is the same as freaking 80000 on the a7Smk2 for the same DoF!!!

I believe the AJA camera uses exactly the same sensor as the BMD 4K one. Which was BMD's worst ever choice of sensor. Plus the very high cost of the AJA Cion at launch (relative to BMD with the same sensor), and a bunch of other quirks with it, set it back and the camera never took off. It is a pity, I'd have liked to have seen an AJA Cion mk2! But yes, it shows what you can do even with lower DR and terrible lowlight performance! Heck, even I'd rather shoot with a BMPC4K + URSA Mini 4K combo than shoot with one RED ONE MX. (which the two cameras together secondhand would cost similar, or less, as what a RED ONE does) Will be seriously putting forward this as a proposal for the feature film I might be shooting this year, as an alternative over the RED ONE (which unfortunately the director/producer has their heart set on! We have had a shoot already last month for this feature film with 2x RED ONE I was DoP for). I'll certainly have a few other suggestions up my sleeve as well to try and swing away from the RED ONE preference, such as Sony PMW-F3 or Sony FS700 4K raw output. (EVA1 + GH5S would be the dream! But probably way out of the budget)

A waterproof gimbal? Haha

I do love my monopod for fast paced event shooting! As heck, I do not own any cameras with IBIS! :-o Get a G80 instead, just is a step up that is worth it. Have that as your IBIS camera for low budget / event shoots. As likely they won't need the 10bit codec anyway for heavy post demands. Then get a GH5S for your relatively "higher" end work. And either camera can be the B cam to your other one! When doing events your GH5S is your B Cam on a locked off tripod while you grab shots on your GH5S. On films your GH5S is A cam but your B cam is the G80 just to grab a few extra bonus angles as well. GH5S + GX85 + GH5 Yeah... starting to think just getting an EVA1 could be better! Patience! I am certain in 2018 we will see a successor to the G80 or GX80 With luck we'll see the GH6 come out late this year in 2018, other early-mid 2019 is my bet. Hopefully a G90 comes out mid/late this year as well.

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Yes, when read this back the firmware update came out I thought it was only for the Micro Studio (which is of zero interest to me). Nah, that is nonsense. Even the GH5 is is better than the a7S mk2! (come on, ten bit internal! Or 4K 60fps, or waveforms monitoring! So much goodness there) Am skeptical if the a7Smk3 will catch up with the GH5 original, and the GH5S is a leap ahead! Plus the a7Smk3 is guaranteed to cost more.