Devon Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 I have. So far no replies unfortunately 😔 Here: https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=188556&p=983237#p983237 kye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I reached out to Sigma as well as this forum post. This is the reply I've received from them. “In regard to the customer's reply, we currently recognize the difference in color parameters for DNG files recorded with Color Modes or with the Color Mode "OFF '' setting to be a specification of the camera and not a bug. To go a little further, the color mode parameters for any Color Mode that is not "OFF" will have the same color parameters when processed in DaVinci. This was done to render colors more natural to the human eye. The Color Mode "OFF" parameters were chosen to preserve the camera's original gamut. That is why the color processing and white balancing is slightly different between the two. If the user prefers to shoot with any of the Color Modes other than "OFF" selected for ease of filming, then we would recommend them to shoot all video with any of the Color Modes other than "OFF" for continuity in grading. Please inform the customer that their feedback is valuable to use and we will share it with our engineers for consideration in future product development. Also, we would like to thank them for their feedback about the wording in the fp user`s manual. We apologize if the wording was misleading in any way and will consider if any revisions are necessary for more clarity.” I've always had great interactions with Sigma. This is just more proof of that. As colorists though, don't we all prefer the "original gamut" over any creative interpretation? OleB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleB Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 14 hours ago, Devon said: I reached out to Sigma as well as this forum post. This is the reply I've received from them. “In regard to the customer's reply, we currently recognize the difference in color parameters for DNG files recorded with Color Modes or with the Color Mode "OFF '' setting to be a specification of the camera and not a bug. To go a little further, the color mode parameters for any Color Mode that is not "OFF" will have the same color parameters when processed in DaVinci. This was done to render colors more natural to the human eye. The Color Mode "OFF" parameters were chosen to preserve the camera's original gamut. That is why the color processing and white balancing is slightly different between the two. If the user prefers to shoot with any of the Color Modes other than "OFF" selected for ease of filming, then we would recommend them to shoot all video with any of the Color Modes other than "OFF" for continuity in grading. Please inform the customer that their feedback is valuable to use and we will share it with our engineers for consideration in future product development. Also, we would like to thank them for their feedback about the wording in the fp user`s manual. We apologize if the wording was misleading in any way and will consider if any revisions are necessary for more clarity.” I've always had great interactions with Sigma. This is just more proof of that. As colorists though, don't we all prefer the "original gamut" over any creative interpretation? Thanks for checking directly with SIGMA. Agree the best choice is "off" which is for my use case, using ProRes RAW, anyway hardcoded. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llaasseerr Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/3/2023 at 11:05 PM, Devon said: I've always had great interactions with Sigma. This is just more proof of that. As colorists though, don't we all prefer the "original gamut" over any creative interpretation? Thanks for doing this work. It's definitely a problem with OFF mode that Sigma have not supplied some kind of input transform for their original sensor gamut. It's possible they don't know how to define the gamut, or they are just lazy. For the user, the information should be in the DNG metadata so that the image is correctly interpreted in Resolve. Another alternative might be if they provided a LUT from the native sensor space to something like Rec2020. Some people are creating their own input transforms LUTs with tools like dcamprof, but that can be a complex process. It's an interesting observation you made that using DNG Converter actually means that the gamut behaviour changes so that the other color modes start to behave like OFF. I had a look in DNG Profile Editor after running through DNG Converter, and that seems to be the case. From some of my early tests with other libraw readers besides Resolve, the DNG conversion does seem to actually reconfigure metadata to convert to other color spaces more accurately. The matrix tags are definitely being changed, confirmed by exiftool. So far, I just tested with OFF files, but the implication is that once ran through DNG Converter that it doesn't matter what the color type in-camera was. I do remember contacting Sigma through their web page wanting to give them feedback on the fp as an industry professional and I never heard back. Can you tell me how you actually got them to respond? Or if you have an email address you can pass on either here or as a DM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llaasseerr Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/3/2023 at 11:05 PM, Devon said: "The Color Mode "OFF" parameters were chosen to preserve the camera's original gamut. That is why the color processing and white balancing is slightly different between the two." Just wanted to add that it's interesting that Sigma confirmed what I have suspected for a while. But it's like Arri putting the Alexa out there without having Arri Wide Gamut defined - not helpful! They can't say that this is a professional tool for dp's and colorists and be making amateurish moves like this. I particularly don't like the fact they are chastising some users saying that there is a "responsibility" when shooting raw to know what you're doing, when they are just not providing the right info. Look at what Apple has done with the iphone 15. They have knocked it out of the park. They defined an Apple Log spec, released a white paper and there is an ACES IDT already in Resolve. And internally you can shoot 4444 so it is effectively RAW anyway. If Sigma just added a few more features to the fp via firmware, this camera would be a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llaasseerr Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Llaasseerr said: Just wanted to add that it's interesting that Sigma confirmed what I have suspected for a while. But it's like Arri putting the Alexa out there without having Arri Wide Gamut defined - not helpful! They can't say that this is a professional tool for dp's and colorists and be making amateurish moves like this. I particularly don't like the fact they are chastising some users saying that there is a "responsibility" when shooting raw to know what you're doing, when they are just not providing the right info. Look at what Apple has done with the iphone 15. They have knocked it out of the park. They defined an Apple Log spec, released a white paper and there is an ACES IDT already in Resolve. And internally you can shoot 4444 so it is effectively RAW anyway. If Sigma just added a few more features to the fp via firmware, this camera would be a beast. Forgot to add that Apple also released LUTs. For a PHONE. kye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 I couldn't agree more. There are certainly a few things that Sigma need to define for a proper DI workflow. I understand releasing a camera early and providing firmware updates later as a plan to sell a camera. We might be a few years out from a proper DI workflow documentation from Sigma. That being said, the camera most definitely is a beast. I've been very impressed so far! @Llaasseerr I simply followed their email address listed on their site: info@sigmaphoto.com It took them a few days to reply, but I appreciate that they did. Llaasseerr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 On an unfortunate note, I had to send my FP in for repair. Randomly one a week ago, the camera would not turn on. And that was after just sitting off all night. The night before it worked just fine. Sigma New York told me this: "The 3rd party battery used was an improper voltage and fried the Main PCB Board. The voltage of your battery was 7.4. The standard for the camera is 7.2" I've had this camera for about 5-6 weeks. I've shot more than a few terabytes in the time that I've had it. During shoots (frankly, 99% of the time I've had it) I ran the Smallrig NP-F battery plate with NP-F batteries through a dummy battery into the camera. See links below. It is my understanding that voltage fluctuates. The camera is listed as "7.2v 2A". The Smallrig battery plate outputs "7.4v 2A" (according to a comment on their site.) The dummy battery lists its specs as "7V-9V 2A". A few questions: It seems hard to believe the only 0.2 Voltage increase fried the board? Is it possible with such a slight increase? It's odd because im pretty sure voltage fluctuates with battery usage. I assume the dummy battery doesn't convert 7.4v to 9v right? Wouldn't it just pass through the voltage it's given? One more interesting note: The last night it still worked, I ejected my Samsung T5 drive from the camera after shooting a few clips, plugged it into my Mac, organized my files, then it wouldn't eject. It wouldn't let me force eject it either. So I decided to just pull it. Then I plugged it back into my camera where it belongs. Then it just sat powered off all night. Next day, nothing. I plugged in that same hard drive a few minutes ago, and it will not mount to my computer. So maybe a file system error? Could it be possible that the hard drive caused an error in the camera's firmware? I'm at a loss, because it seems all my power options are to specification (or very very close). I read in another forum from someone else who contacted Sigma, and they said that the FP could run between 5v-9v. Please help. 😅 Links to products: Smallrig battery plate Dummy battery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted October 7, 2023 Super Members Share Posted October 7, 2023 I have had two T5 drives go rogue on me. Google “T5 Mac Won’t Mount” and you will see it is a common issue with not much consensus how to fix it. In my case, the only devices that could recognise them afterwards were the BM P4K and 6K, a SteamDeck and the files app of my iPhone. The latter one can give you a path to recover the files by copying them on to your phone and then back out to another drive/SD card. After doing that and then formatting them again they were able to work again but I don’t really trust them for anything except transfers when I still have the original media. They are also very finicky when it comes to cables and the only really reliable way I’ve found is using a USB to C cable as C to C is an issue with mine. To clarify, I have used them in the FP but the issues came after them being in the Mac. Obviously the number of reports of the issue also suggests it’s nothing to do with the FP ! Samsung have their own utility software you can download so you might get some joy there but if you have an iPhone or iPad around then I’d try that first. I have had no such issues with the T7 drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llaasseerr Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Devon said: On an unfortunate note, I had to send my FP in for repair. Randomly one a week ago, the camera would not turn on. And that was after just sitting off all night. The night before it worked just fine. Sigma New York told me this: "The 3rd party battery used was an improper voltage and fried the Main PCB Board. The voltage of your battery was 7.4. The standard for the camera is 7.2" Hm, that's disheartening. I just bought a Powrig DC adapter for the fp that I want to use with two batteries that has an "up to" 7.4V output. I don't know if that's any better than the dummy battery you bought. Usually I would use a d-tap to dummy battery, but "reasons". I'm waiting for that to turn up, so fingers crossed it doesn't fry the camera otherwise I'll have to bin it because I imagine the repair is not cheap and it's out of warranty now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llaasseerr Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Devon said: I couldn't agree more. There are certainly a few things that Sigma need to define for a proper DI workflow. I understand releasing a camera early and providing firmware updates later as a plan to sell a camera. We might be a few years out from a proper DI workflow documentation from Sigma. That being said, the camera most definitely is a beast. I've been very impressed so far! @Llaasseerr I simply followed their email address listed on their site: info@sigmaphoto.com It took them a few days to reply, but I appreciate that they did. I've actually been okay with the the approach of releasing firmware after the fact, but they need to keep at it. I'll try again with the email contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llaasseerr Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 On 10/6/2023 at 11:33 PM, Devon said: On an unfortunate note, I had to send my FP in for repair. Randomly one a week ago, the camera would not turn on. And that was after just sitting off all night. The night before it worked just fine. Sigma New York told me this: "The 3rd party battery used was an improper voltage and fried the Main PCB Board. The voltage of your battery was 7.4. The standard for the camera is 7.2" I've had this camera for about 5-6 weeks. I've shot more than a few terabytes in the time that I've had it. During shoots (frankly, 99% of the time I've had it) I ran the Smallrig NP-F battery plate with NP-F batteries through a dummy battery into the camera. See links below. It is my understanding that voltage fluctuates. The camera is listed as "7.2v 2A". The Smallrig battery plate outputs "7.4v 2A" (according to a comment on their site.) The dummy battery lists its specs as "7V-9V 2A". A few questions: It seems hard to believe the only 0.2 Voltage increase fried the board? Is it possible with such a slight increase? It's odd because im pretty sure voltage fluctuates with battery usage. I assume the dummy battery doesn't convert 7.4v to 9v right? Wouldn't it just pass through the voltage it's given? One more interesting note: The last night it still worked, I ejected my Samsung T5 drive from the camera after shooting a few clips, plugged it into my Mac, organized my files, then it wouldn't eject. It wouldn't let me force eject it either. So I decided to just pull it. Then I plugged it back into my camera where it belongs. Then it just sat powered off all night. Next day, nothing. I plugged in that same hard drive a few minutes ago, and it will not mount to my computer. So maybe a file system error? Could it be possible that the hard drive caused an error in the camera's firmware? I'm at a loss, because it seems all my power options are to specification (or very very close). I read in another forum from someone else who contacted Sigma, and they said that the FP could run between 5v-9v. Please help. 😅 Links to products: Smallrig battery plate Dummy battery I just wanted to update you that my DC coupler dummy battery arrived and although it was bought from Powrig, it turns out it's the same as the one you bought off Amazon. Re-reading your post, I get now that you're not saying the dummy battery was at issue but rather the voltage coming from the battery itself - at least according to Sigma. So far with a quick test with an FXLion battery it's working, but did your camera just randomly get fried after some regular usage? That would be disconcerting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 I’m not sure what caused the issue. Except that I pulled the dummy battery out and back in with the camera still switched on a few times throughout the past few weeks I’ve had it. I’ve always done this with all of my cameras when breaking down my rig after a shoot. I’ve always just left the switch set to “on” with the camera. This is the only cause I can think of. Sigma UK told me that the camera expects voltages between 7V and 9V. So I wouldn’t worry about your dummy battery. I’d worry more about the plate you’re using and it’s voltage and amperage it’s outputting. I’ve also just ordered the powrig dummy battery. I asked powrig if the dummy battery had any advanced circuitry for regulating power. They assured me that it did. I’m not exactly sure if this is true or not 🤷♂️ But they assured me 😅 I’ve also purchased the newest NP-F battery plate from SmallRig. It has short circuit protection built into all outputs. It was expensive, but my hopes are that I’ll have it for many years using with various camera rigs. So my hope is that the combination of both of these accessories (powrig dummy battery and advanced SmallRig plate) avoids this issue of any PCB board frying again lol. Llaasseerr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew - EOSHD Posted December 16, 2025 Author Administrators Share Posted December 16, 2025 Any Sigma Fp-L owners about? It seems like a rare thing, the 60 megapixel pocket monster. One of the few cameras I refuse to part with though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Harper Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Hey all, I'm pretty close to squeezing the trigger on a Sigma FP - what are some things I should be looking for when inspecting a used Sigma FP for potential purchase? Like obvious things for me would be signs of irreparable damage to the ports, dead pixels, ensuring the SD slot is in working order, any scratches on the sensor. Anything else though? Particularly things that might be unique to the FP. Thanks in advance! kye and eatstoomuchjam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Defintely check out and test the rotating thumbdial on the back. It's not specific to the FP, but I've bought second hand cameras where those things became glitchy and register as spinning one way when you spin it the other. Or flip flop between left and right if you rotate it too fast. It's probably not going to be an issue, but is the only thing I'd double check on top of what you said already. Maybe also look for damage on the pin connectors used for the EVF by the ports. Ty Harper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 On 6/12/2026 at 5:54 AM, Ty Harper said: Hey all, I'm pretty close to squeezing the trigger on a Sigma FP - what are some things I should be looking for when inspecting a used Sigma FP for potential purchase? Like obvious things for me would be signs of irreparable damage to the ports, dead pixels, ensuring the SD slot is in working order, any scratches on the sensor. Anything else though? Particularly things that might be unique to the FP. Thanks in advance! Speaking of the dials registering the wrong way, I've mostly noticed that on dials when you rotate them quite slowly, so it seems like trying different speeds might be the best strategy. It's also good to get a decent light source and look over the surface of it by looking at the reflections as you rotate it. I'd be looking for any evidence it's been dropped etc, especially on anything that's meant to move like the buttons or dials etc, but also on the corners. I dropped my GF3 on one of its corners and as it's a metal chassis it just got a little flat spot and wrinkle, but you can feel it if you pay attention. Ty Harper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted Wednesday at 04:35 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:35 PM On 6/11/2026 at 5:54 PM, Ty Harper said: Hey all, I'm pretty close to squeezing the trigger on a Sigma FP - what are some things I should be looking for when inspecting a used Sigma FP for potential purchase? Like obvious things for me would be signs of irreparable damage to the ports, dead pixels, ensuring the SD slot is in working order, any scratches on the sensor. Anything else though? Particularly things that might be unique to the FP. Thanks in advance! I'm thinking of selling mine. I have had mine for a couple years and understand the camera's ins and outs if you need any information. As far as your question, I'd be most worried about the usb-c port. Most of the available cages do not have cable clamps, so I'd imagine most FP users haven't used them with the camera. So I'd verify with the seller that the port functions and the connection is tight. Ty Harper and kye 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Harper Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago On 6/24/2026 at 12:35 PM, mercer said: I'm thinking of selling mine. I have had mine for a couple years and understand the camera's ins and outs if you need any information. As far as your question, I'd be most worried about the usb-c port. Most of the available cages do not have cable clamps, so I'd imagine most FP users haven't used them with the camera. So I'd verify with the seller that the port functions and the connection is tight. Got it! I think for me, the biggest things I've been trying to wrap my head around (because I've only been able to learn about this cam via bits and pieces of anecdotal info from Youtubers and owners posting in FB/Reddit groups) are: (i) The monitoring situation: So as I currently understand it - the Ninja V is the only monitor that - when used with the Ole Berek LUT - shows you a fairly close representation of what the RAW image actually looks like in the field compared to what you get on the FP's own screen (as far as exposure, etc) (ii) What is the best EF-L mount adapter with VND? I'm seeing that the issues with the Meike version might have been addressed and I'm unsure whether the Meike and Fotodiox/Vizelex Smart adapter/VNF versions will fit when using the Dark Power Laboratory Base cage and.or Ultimate cage. Any help/thoughts on this would be appreciated. All that said, I'm still interested in it but if I can't get a good deal on one here in Toronto, I will prob just end up getting an S9! mercer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted 12 minutes ago Share Posted 12 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Ty Harper said: Got it! I think for me, the biggest things I've been trying to wrap my head around (because I've only been able to learn about this cam via bits and pieces of anecdotal info from Youtubers and owners posting in FB/Reddit groups) are: (i) The monitoring situation: So as I currently understand it - the Ninja V is the only monitor that - when used with the Ole Berek LUT - shows you a fairly close representation of what the RAW image actually looks like in the field compared to what you get on the FP's own screen (as far as exposure, etc) (ii) What is the best EF-L mount adapter with VND? I'm seeing that the issues with the Meike version might have been addressed and I'm unsure whether the Meike and Fotodiox/Vizelex Smart adapter/VNF versions will fit when using the Dark Power Laboratory Base cage and.or Ultimate cage. Any help/thoughts on this would be appreciated. All that said, I'm still interested in it but if I can't get a good deal on one here in Toronto, I will prob just end up getting an S9! You may have read me post before that I came to the FP, due to my love of 1080p (actually 1920x818) ML Raw on the 5D Mark iii. I seriously love the image and it still reigns as the best image and favorite camera I have ever owned, but being 1080p and an EF mount camera, it could be "soft" with certain lenses and I couldn't use some lenses I have collected over the years. That said, in some ways, the FP is the spiritual successor to the 5Diii ML Raw because both are "uncompressed" raw and both have, or lack, a manufacturer designed post production workflow. Coming from ML Raw, this never bothered me. With the FP, I set the picture profile to OFF and used the camera meter to judge exposure... as long as you hover +/- 0, you will be able to finesse the image in post however you want to. So I never worried about seeing an accurate representation of anything with it. I made sure I didn't clip the highlights, used False Color to check skin and hit record. As far as EF mount lenses go, I have 4... the Canon 28mm 1.8, Samyang 50mm 1.4, and two modified lenses... a Minolta 58mm 1.4 and the Canon FD 50mm 1.2 L. I have so many other vintage lenses that I didn't even get an EF adapter. However I was planning to bring out my 5Diii more often, so I looked at purchasing (repurchasing) a couple lenses... the 24-70mm f/4 and 35mm f/2 IS, so I did glance at a few of the electronic adapters for L Mount thinking they could pull double duty. At the time I was more worried about IS translating over to the FP than I was ND, so the Sigma adapter seemed like the safest bet. The FP was intended to be an inexpensive and tiny raw camera that I could walk around with and grab shots for short films, so I wanted the footprint to be as minimal as possible, which unfortunately is near impossible with the FP and eventually frustrated me. I later bought an inexpensive GH6 and the Arri LogC3 upgrade key, with similar intentions but the crop annoys me. Now I think I'm going to sell both and get a Nikon ZR, and be done with it. I have my 5D3 and a Canon V1 for one film I started working on and the Nikon will be for the other film. All that said, the FP is a fine camera and the image is pretty damn good, it's just too quirky for my run and gun incognito sensibilities, but if you don't mind rigging it up a little, I can't imagine the S9 could come close to the FP in pure image quality. In fact, I was thinking of waiting to do a major camera upgrade and getting the original S5 as a stop gap for my second film and then reevaluating my cameras this time next year, and I may still do that for the IBIS, but in reality, the image is more important to me, and the flexibility of a raw workflow, so I'd probably just keep the FP for that scenario... even though the GH6's IBIS may have spoiled me a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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