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One of the most beautiful and skillful cinematography I saw in last 10 years belongs to "Lore" by Cate Shortland director and Adam Arkapaw as dop... they used exclusively s16 in it. I'd dare to recommend that movie to everybody who yet didn't see it - at least just to take one breath relaxation/inspiration from hard battle of sensor's size/capability fascination.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1996310/

This prototype image was posted on the fb group...
Not much info but hopefully we see a few more third party options!

 

Yes, because it is so obvious that it's impossible to shoot feature films with IBIS, as well as any part of it because every spectator immediately leave theater when notice that ugly micro jitters on screen.

Yea it seems like a slam dunk if they can combine the GH5s low light with GH5 IBIS in there too. I think there’s a big user base who wants a stabilized mini cinema camera - but nobody will give it. 
 
 

Quite true. That’s why there are dozens of non IBIS cinema cameras to choose from. Don’t see why there can’t be one IBIS video camera though. 
Lots of professionals use a GH5 and its IBIS - and know when to turn it off and on depending on the shooting situation. 
I’m not asking for a cinema camera to shoot feature films on. I’m asking for a FS5/C100 workhorse MFT video camera (or Fuji X) with all the things video cameras have - and some tech transferred over from mirrorless cams. 
 

Nice stills.  I've heard people have a lot of love for that lens, and it sure would be a convenient one to carry around for simple shoots.  
You better hurry up and finish that film, or pretty soon we'll have all watched it frame by frame in this thread! ???

@mercer vs Paolo Sorrentino: The Young Pope, episode 9.

I have to disagree from my experience with BM cameras - not strictly taking notion of DR (that after all debates seems to me too vague), but simply true RAW vs PR HQ looks better or made such impression-feel even at first glance. Not day and night, but there is a visual difference as I can see. Of course, my eyes are not at all ultimate judge, it might be result of autosuggestion - so rather call for everyone to try and compare. (I don't know how BRAW stay in comparison.)

1. I'm afraid there is more IR with ND filter.
2. I think it is irrelevant where to put IR filter.
(If you in aesthetic choice chase for little bit of vintage look, IR pollution actually might be useful.)

1. I'm afraid there is more IR with ND filter.
2. I think it is irrelevant where to put IR filter.
(If you in aesthetic choice chase for little bit of vintage look, IR pollution actually might be useful.)

ok so in the spirit of eoshd togetherness I have decided to share this video to see what u guys think. maybe it will inspire zach ☺️
let me explain:
i made this short at the end of last year, but I never completed the edit/fx/etc 100%. Got busy with other stuff, and I was working up my gumption to come back to it with a fresh eye.
then my iMac broke, and I have a new ‘puter on the way, but I’m anticipating the nightmare of opening resolve and Siri saying ERROR: NO MEDIA FOUND, because my files, ALTHOUGH BACKED UP, are super disorganized, there might be a few things missing, but at the very least it’ll be a big pain in the ass to relink everything to get going on this again
aannnyyyway I always feel bad for posting literally zero videos but numerous dog pics and I was like Screw it, its not perfect, but here ya go.
this is not the best file, its the one I had in icloud, there could be a better render, etc etc, and its getting murdered by youtube compression, but my first reaction watching it after not messing with it for a few months was…. …Hey~! Its not too bad! ☺️ not bad for a first film i made all by myself! imagine if I had a crew, a budget… ?
so, if youd like to see, pls check it out, and if you have any helpful feedback that involves changing/adding things, that’s great, but I do NOT have access to the actors/locations any more and there is almost no chance of me shooting additional footage, so as long as suggestions don’t involve me spending any more money on this project, I’m all in ?
at best, I think this is a cool example of what one person can do with a 5d3 in 2019 with no budget, crew, or resources whatsoever... as indie as it gets lolol
 

I know about offer - but I just supposed that noble counter offer was: post of CEO or nothing, because they didn't choose right, as through all history all Canon-ized smart asses... so to say while mr webrunner5 is still awake to quickly correct me in my indian-american try.

Looks brilliant to me. Surely I'm naive, but I can't quite understand why Canon can not simply repack, say, that 5D II + ML Raw sensor/codeck solution and sell it as some sort of its own Digital Bolex version to so many devoted Canon indie/moviemakers and admirers?

Yes, well, me personally more and more did this (but with luxury to choose) stuff for money  But it doesn't matter... Recently I watched again some De Sica's movies - what a richness and uncanny taste in framing with his than-a-days modest BW cameras! What perfection in evolving scripts through language of visual evocation of emotions! What a usage of perspective plans with totally absence of shallow DOF! Whole give-me-just-Alexa-color-science-and-nothing-else and flying crans mumbo-jumbo are smashed to trash in front of mind that experienced, suffered and searched enough and have something to convey about it... Excuse me for digression, back to the topic: De Sica, or even Dziga Vertov, had not any gimbal, but shoulders are always with us

Looks brilliant to me. Surely I'm naive, but I can't quite understand why Canon can not simply repack, say, that 5D II + ML Raw sensor/codeck solution and sell it as some sort of its own Digital Bolex version to so many devoted Canon indie/moviemakers and admirers?

I just found this 5D Mark II ML Raw video by accident.
It’s an ML Raw test from the early days. It is a test for a horror film so it has some graphic/violent content... in case that bothers anybody.
 

Soooo I'm going to throw stones here a bit. I tried out the camera an had some serious problems with it. The form factor threw me off. Why for the love of god are BM still putting reflective screens on their cameras for video? 

Tried to test out the camera for a upcoming short. Honestly it did not immediately strike me as being better than the image from my D750, though zooming in the compression differences do show the advantages of the Pocket. The Dynamic range is worse than I was expecting, about on par with my D750. It is vastly inferior to the URSA mini that I had tried previously, and is actually a surprisingly noisy image out of the camera (cleans up nicely in Resolve denoise).

Crop factor was harder to deal with than expected without adding a speedbooster or buying all new glass. Also wanted to rent cine glass for the short, and there is limited options available for wides. 

Most of all seeing the continuing issue of IR contamination from BM sensors seriously drives me up the wall. 
Color is better on the BM, but wondering if a external recorder on the D750 will bridge the gap even further.
Blackmagic (Prores HQ 4:2:2 Arri Alexa Lut) 28mm

D750 (Neutral out of camera) 40mm

For sure there are so many different aspects and layers to reckon in it, but back to the topic...
I'll get in wednesday Moza Air Cross - it has interesting unique feature of expandable plate space, so I'm curious if P4K can fit in it without additional accessories. Strange, I didn't yet manage to find anywhere if somebody has that gimbal working with P4K. Although it has 1.6kg payload, it is still enough for that camera and yet very light (under 1kg). Air Cross could supply power for GH5 or Sony cameras via dumb battery,  and I think that the same easy could be possible with P4K and Canon LP6 with maybe just changing jack in... I bought it for Micro cinema camera so will see...

Yes, well, me personally more and more did this (but with luxury to choose) stuff for money  But it doesn't matter... Recently I watched again some De Sica's movies - what a richness and uncanny taste in framing with his than-a-days modest BW cameras! What perfection in evolving scripts through language of visual evocation of emotions! What a usage of perspective plans with totally absence of shallow DOF! Whole give-me-just-Alexa-color-science-and-nothing-else and flying crans mumbo-jumbo are smashed to trash in front of mind that experienced, suffered and searched enough and have something to convey about it... Excuse me for digression, back to the topic: De Sica, or even Dziga Vertov, had not any gimbal, but shoulders are always with us

Yes, but, from the other side, as pretty serious intruder from plethora of creative realms, I'm so often shocked how "shallow", one-dimensional and lacking of (time and knowledge and inner peace for) truly original perception/ideas are people strictly learned for film making... And how restricted are with their instruments, as fundamentally deprived in capability for play, for empathy, for seeing different angles and perspectives...
What I deeply regret is that I saw such enormously talented men and women at vimeo, with some so deeply original ideas and concepts that are high above of resulting artistic level (or lack of it) of regular movie productions... but those talented people, being poor and outside of mainstream connection, will stay forever anonymous

I don't want to sound silly but how strong are you? If you are on the bigger side go Ronin S. It is sort of the best there is for the money. I don't see how going with the lightest one is going to work with all the stuff you are adding. The Dji Ronin mx with thumb control is some pretty big boy money, not counting heavy as heck. It weighs 6.11 lbs without the thumb. None of them you will Need to buy with all that weight you are adding are going to be light. Running around holding 10 lbs out straight half the day doesn't sound like my cup of tea. Maybe you need to think about a vest. Depends on what your shooting situation is, maybe it is 30 seconds at a time?
Maybe you just need to add More weight and come up with a good shoulder Rig and be done with it. Heck of a lot cheaper, and a lot easier to operate unless you are going for total perfection and a lot of low angle stuff, even then you can use a handle to get that kind of angle. You can hold a 20 lbs or more rig on your shoulder for an amazing amount of time. Been there done that. Either way, the bigger you go the bigger your Wallet better be, and your body.
At least with the MX you Could add that Monitor you have,  but 7" sounds a bit big, and a extra battery, Mike, LCD on and on. The Gimbal alone can handle 10 lbs, not counting what you can add to the cage. It is the most veritable. But also the most money by far. Decisions, decisions.
 

I'd friendly second that regarding your demands - type of shooting with focus pull system and 7inch monitor doesn't call for relative advantages that might afford gimbal (more appropriate for lighter camera-lens combination). It could be too clumsy to move and operate, paying equal attention to focusing, proper gymbal operation, hands movements, you will easily loose spontaneity and concentration on shot. If a gimbal is the must - than better search for such that could be somehow fix to the body, as some sort of added extremity  Once again, I think that goal shouldn't be deadly non-shaking slide, but how to achieve natural movements - and get corresponding natural looking footage - without too distraction. 

I need too much time to find topic about BMMCC, so sorry for posting here, but maybe it could be useful as another example of what BM cameras and especially BMMCC are capable for, or as comparison with Pocket 4k.
  

Now you give idea/courage to BM for immediately starting new (super advance) page of their so successful timemachine advertising solution: "Don't kill anybody, instead save a life and be the first in preorder list fok P4K II, available as soon as spring 2023".

Now you give idea/courage to BM for immediately starting new (super advance) page of their so successful timemachine advertising solution: "Don't kill anybody, instead save a life and be the first in preorder list fok P4K II, available as soon as spring 2023".