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One can absolutely live with EF lenses plus adapter as they most all work better on the R cameras than on the DSLR, so no rush to move to RF. 

But I do not agree that RF ones are not much better than the EF versions actually it is the opposite other than price(for the L series) they are mostly all a big improvement:


RF 70-200 2.8, much more compact and quite a bit lighter than the EF version. Only downside is no TC support.
RF 70-200 4, incredibly compact and light weight compared to the EF.
RF 100-500, lighter, sharper, longer than the EF 100-400, only downside with TC it starts at 500mm
RF 24-70 2.8 IS, has IS and a tad lighter weight than the non IS EF version
RF 15-35 2.8, wider, sharper and has IS compared to 16-35 2.8 III EF. Not even a fair comparison.
RF 85 2 IS, sharper and with IS compared to the old (imo junk) 85 1.8
RF 50 1.8, a tad sharper than the EF version
RF 50 1.2, much bigger and heavier but just in another league from the old EF 50 1.2.
RF 85 1.2, much bigger and heavier but just in another league from the old EF 85 1.2.
 
Unique and no equivalent from Canon in EF mount:
RF 16 2.8, affordable, very compact and quite sharp
RF 35 1.8 IS, affordable, very compact super sharp, but noisy AF
RF 24 1.8 IS, too early to tell
RF 28-70 2, heavy and big but very sharp and unique, challenging for video due to the 95mm filter size
RF 600 and 800 F11, very affordable long tele with quite good image quality
RF 24-240, surprisingly good image quality for such zoom range
RF 100-400, affordable and very light weight long zoom with an ok image quality
 
A let down:
RF 400 2.8, no included TC as Nikon now does, just the EF version with glued on R-EF adapter
RF 600 4, no included TC, just the EF version with glued on R-EF adapter
RF 800 5.6, no included TC, sharpness so similar to the RF 400 + 2x with an insane price, it makes no sense
RF 1200 8, no included TC, sharpness so similar to the RF 600 + 2x with an insane price, it makes no sense

Here is another R5C extra secret bonus hack: Turn the camera off when you're not shooting.
I'm kidding, Canon should obviously address this. Poor battery life is what is keeping most away from this camera. Sounds like its Achilles heel..

Exactly they could implement an optional timer setting that when you are in menus or not recording for that time the camera stops live feeding video.... or switches to a much lower res mode as R5 does.

I did email them a month ago and they said that at the moment it does not support 8k 60

In theory as it supports USB-PD up to 100w. It maybe a good solution to protect from breaking the camera board. I may try as currently I use a small rig protector but you could still break it.
I rally hate the power over USB C….. is the only thing that I truly hate from this great camera
Ideally a USB PD or D tap dummy battery would be even better…

Yes and this is where for me the R5 is interesting because ditch the ND’s and crank the shutter speed to say min 1/250th and then simply pull stills.
I have tried with in both 4k 50p and 6k 25p mode with my Lumix cameras.
Pretty decent results so I can imagine what 8k stills would be like.
As a fast-paced hybrid shooter faced at any point with one or the other, it’s easy, go video because you have a chance of pulling stills from the footage but you can’t make a movie from your stills unless shooting 24/25fps!
One day I need to do an entire job of exclusively not shooting any stills but pulling it all 100% from the video.
Now it ‘does not’ overheat, that could be interesting with an R5…

A couple of frame grabs to show the AF
R5c, AF at max speed, at 200mm at F2.8, on a gimbal with me walking fast.

50fps, 1/100


100 fps 1/200

I get your arguments and are valid but if you really fear to miss the moment then video with a higher ss may be a better strategy now that camera have high res video that can take a lot of post processing.
I don’t do weddings so I can’t comment but on sports it works well as I get both video and photos and I have many more expressions as I film all the time. The ss is probably less of an issue in sports.

I did sell one of my two R5 and added a R5c as I posted in the other thread.
At the beginning I was not too happy about the R5c but now I like it more than the R5 other than the battery issue that basically makes it a rig only camera. And I did not buy it due to the time limit as it was not an issue for me other than 4k 120…. Initially it was for the 8k 60 and audio on the 120fps.
I filmed 5 days of MTB and 2 days of Surfing in the last two weeks, and I reach out more to the R5c (A cam) than the R5 (B cam).
 
They are quite different, the R5 even more with the new FW is a really good hybrid, the R5c is a cinema camera that you can turn in a great photo camera, it seems the same but when you use them both you realize the differences.
 
Plus for the R5c:
8k 60 RAW
4k 60 much better quality than R5
4k 120 with sound and noticeably better quality than R5
S35 5.9k RAW

XAVC much easier to edit than h265
Face only AF, AF around the point only
Cinema OS makes more sense for filming.
False color, waveform, magnification while recording etc…
Customization of what to show in which screen VF vs LCD vs HDMI, safe marks etc.
Port protector let you flip the screen
Media playback UI, I really hated at first, but I discovered how to control it with the touch screen and joystick (not the wheel as I was used) and is better that the R5. Still lacks lut support and a quicker way to delete videos imo.
 
 
Plus for the R5
Battery, battery and battery so no need to rig it and cables that can break etc...
More AF zones type, Animal and Car AF
IBIS (although I find it a problem in some cases like on gimbal with long lenses and wobble on wide angles)
Faster switch photo video (I thought that the R5c would bother me but for my usage is non issue and I do switch quite frequently)
C1-C3 modes this is so needed on the R5c
Bigger UI font
Wifi works in video mode too (this is ridiculous on the R5c that only works in photo mode)
 
 
AF the way I use it is very similar in term of performance some stuff are better on the R5 and some on the R5c I really wish they would merge the two functionalities.

If it would not be for the battery challenge, I would probably sell the R5 and get a second R5c.

FWIW, he went from C70 to FX3 to R5 to R5C.. and now back to R5?! all in the span of 10 months lol. 

I get your arguments and are valid but if you really fear to miss the moment then video with a higher ss may be a better strategy now that camera have high res video that can take a lot of post processing.
I don’t do weddings so I can’t comment but on sports it works well as I get both video and photos and I have many more expressions as I film all the time. The ss is probably less of an issue in sports.

The R5 when in standby it has low res mode and I believe when you go into menus it even stops the live feed to save battery, there is a setting to enable high res if you use it with and external recorder, streaming etc..

The R5c basically is always processing the live feed even when non recording, the menus are transparent over the live feed and basically is always filming at the current settings thus it makes almost zero difference if recording or not.
One trick is to enter playback menu as there it stops the live feed and basically stop draining the battery.
I also think that all the additional feature like waveform etc... consumes more cpu cycles and on top of that the OS probably was never optimized for small battery. 
While recording on similar settings probably they use similar battery but the R5c is much more conservative with the battery status so it will tell you that the battery is gone while on a R5 you can still continue to record.
Long story short the battery is the only real BIG issue of the R5c imo. 

You have basically 5 options and none are really great imo:
- Change battery every 45 min no matter what you are doing
- Buy the battery grip it will give double battery capacity, it adds bulk, weight and still cannot use 8k 50/60 RAW. Plus add costs but if you already have batteries it may not be such bad idea. 
- Buy a dtap to dummy battery, add a cage and a vmount plate and use dtap battery that you may already have, still cannot use 8k 50/60 RAW, bulky but if you have the batteries already not too expensive and cables are quite safe. Camera will run for many hours.
- Buy a PD 45w power bank, can run for many hours, is cheap but cable is fragile and you probably need a cage and a power bank mount that are terrible imo.
- My solution, add a cage, vmount plate, and buy FXLION NANO ONE and use the USB-C cable, it runs with the small ONE around 3h of recording 8k, the NANO TWO will last probably more than 6h recording. Disadvantage it adds bulks, and you need a cable locking system to protect the fragile USB-C, batteries are expensive but cheaper than buying 4 canon batteries.

I think in future you will see third party dummy battery that provides enough V for 8k 60 from dtap. You could do it already with the canon coupler for R5c plus anthon bauer dtap thing but is a big mees, super long cables, a box in between and expensive. This is a joke.

Again, I really don't understand why Canon is not offering a battery grip with R3 batteries and problem solved, no cables and enough power for 8k 60.
 
If you do docs the advantages of the R5c is the face only AF, will never overheat, XAFC is so much better to edit, the various exposure tool and if you use 4k 50/60p the quality is much better. Lack of IBIS could be an issue or not depending on your style and if you use IS lenses or not.
Probably in your case if you are not interested in the 8k 50/60 RAW is to buy the battery grip, if you already have many LP-E6 batteries you "only" have the cost of the grip. 

I don't like to rig cameras as I only do run and guns thing mostly in areas that you cannot even go with a car, so I carry my equipment on bikes, skis, heli, etc...  and yet I prefer the R5c with this big battery issue.

 

A couple of frame grabs to show the AF
R5c, AF at max speed, at 200mm at F2.8, on a gimbal with me walking fast.

50fps, 1/100


100 fps 1/200

I did sell one of my two R5 and added a R5c as I posted in the other thread.
At the beginning I was not too happy about the R5c but now I like it more than the R5 other than the battery issue that basically makes it a rig only camera. And I did not buy it due to the time limit as it was not an issue for me other than 4k 120…. Initially it was for the 8k 60 and audio on the 120fps.
I filmed 5 days of MTB and 2 days of Surfing in the last two weeks, and I reach out more to the R5c (A cam) than the R5 (B cam).
 
They are quite different, the R5 even more with the new FW is a really good hybrid, the R5c is a cinema camera that you can turn in a great photo camera, it seems the same but when you use them both you realize the differences.
 
Plus for the R5c:
8k 60 RAW
4k 60 much better quality than R5
4k 120 with sound and noticeably better quality than R5
S35 5.9k RAW

XAVC much easier to edit than h265
Face only AF, AF around the point only
Cinema OS makes more sense for filming.
False color, waveform, magnification while recording etc…
Customization of what to show in which screen VF vs LCD vs HDMI, safe marks etc.
Port protector let you flip the screen
Media playback UI, I really hated at first, but I discovered how to control it with the touch screen and joystick (not the wheel as I was used) and is better that the R5. Still lacks lut support and a quicker way to delete videos imo.
 
 
Plus for the R5
Battery, battery and battery so no need to rig it and cables that can break etc...
More AF zones type, Animal and Car AF
IBIS (although I find it a problem in some cases like on gimbal with long lenses and wobble on wide angles)
Faster switch photo video (I thought that the R5c would bother me but for my usage is non issue and I do switch quite frequently)
C1-C3 modes this is so needed on the R5c
Bigger UI font
Wifi works in video mode too (this is ridiculous on the R5c that only works in photo mode)
 
 
AF the way I use it is very similar in term of performance some stuff are better on the R5 and some on the R5c I really wish they would merge the two functionalities.

If it would not be for the battery challenge, I would probably sell the R5 and get a second R5c.

I did sell one of my two R5 and added a R5c as I posted in the other thread.
At the beginning I was not too happy about the R5c but now I like it more than the R5 other than the battery issue that basically makes it a rig only camera. And I did not buy it due to the time limit as it was not an issue for me other than 4k 120…. Initially it was for the 8k 60 and audio on the 120fps.
I filmed 5 days of MTB and 2 days of Surfing in the last two weeks, and I reach out more to the R5c (A cam) than the R5 (B cam).
 
They are quite different, the R5 even more with the new FW is a really good hybrid, the R5c is a cinema camera that you can turn in a great photo camera, it seems the same but when you use them both you realize the differences.
 
Plus for the R5c:
8k 60 RAW
4k 60 much better quality than R5
4k 120 with sound and noticeably better quality than R5
S35 5.9k RAW

XAVC much easier to edit than h265
Face only AF, AF around the point only
Cinema OS makes more sense for filming.
False color, waveform, magnification while recording etc…
Customization of what to show in which screen VF vs LCD vs HDMI, safe marks etc.
Port protector let you flip the screen
Media playback UI, I really hated at first, but I discovered how to control it with the touch screen and joystick (not the wheel as I was used) and is better that the R5. Still lacks lut support and a quicker way to delete videos imo.
 
 
Plus for the R5
Battery, battery and battery so no need to rig it and cables that can break etc...
More AF zones type, Animal and Car AF
IBIS (although I find it a problem in some cases like on gimbal with long lenses and wobble on wide angles)
Faster switch photo video (I thought that the R5c would bother me but for my usage is non issue and I do switch quite frequently)
C1-C3 modes this is so needed on the R5c
Bigger UI font
Wifi works in video mode too (this is ridiculous on the R5c that only works in photo mode)
 
 
AF the way I use it is very similar in term of performance some stuff are better on the R5 and some on the R5c I really wish they would merge the two functionalities.

If it would not be for the battery challenge, I would probably sell the R5 and get a second R5c.

I did sell one of my two R5 and added a R5c as I posted in the other thread.
At the beginning I was not too happy about the R5c but now I like it more than the R5 other than the battery issue that basically makes it a rig only camera. And I did not buy it due to the time limit as it was not an issue for me other than 4k 120…. Initially it was for the 8k 60 and audio on the 120fps.
I filmed 5 days of MTB and 2 days of Surfing in the last two weeks, and I reach out more to the R5c (A cam) than the R5 (B cam).
 
They are quite different, the R5 even more with the new FW is a really good hybrid, the R5c is a cinema camera that you can turn in a great photo camera, it seems the same but when you use them both you realize the differences.
 
Plus for the R5c:
8k 60 RAW
4k 60 much better quality than R5
4k 120 with sound and noticeably better quality than R5
S35 5.9k RAW

XAVC much easier to edit than h265
Face only AF, AF around the point only
Cinema OS makes more sense for filming.
False color, waveform, magnification while recording etc…
Customization of what to show in which screen VF vs LCD vs HDMI, safe marks etc.
Port protector let you flip the screen
Media playback UI, I really hated at first, but I discovered how to control it with the touch screen and joystick (not the wheel as I was used) and is better that the R5. Still lacks lut support and a quicker way to delete videos imo.
 
 
Plus for the R5
Battery, battery and battery so no need to rig it and cables that can break etc...
More AF zones type, Animal and Car AF
IBIS (although I find it a problem in some cases like on gimbal with long lenses and wobble on wide angles)
Faster switch photo video (I thought that the R5c would bother me but for my usage is non issue and I do switch quite frequently)
C1-C3 modes this is so needed on the R5c
Bigger UI font
Wifi works in video mode too (this is ridiculous on the R5c that only works in photo mode)
 
 
AF the way I use it is very similar in term of performance some stuff are better on the R5 and some on the R5c I really wish they would merge the two functionalities.

If it would not be for the battery challenge, I would probably sell the R5 and get a second R5c.

I did sell one of my two R5 and added a R5c as I posted in the other thread.
At the beginning I was not too happy about the R5c but now I like it more than the R5 other than the battery issue that basically makes it a rig only camera. And I did not buy it due to the time limit as it was not an issue for me other than 4k 120…. Initially it was for the 8k 60 and audio on the 120fps.
I filmed 5 days of MTB and 2 days of Surfing in the last two weeks, and I reach out more to the R5c (A cam) than the R5 (B cam).
 
They are quite different, the R5 even more with the new FW is a really good hybrid, the R5c is a cinema camera that you can turn in a great photo camera, it seems the same but when you use them both you realize the differences.
 
Plus for the R5c:
8k 60 RAW
4k 60 much better quality than R5
4k 120 with sound and noticeably better quality than R5
S35 5.9k RAW

XAVC much easier to edit than h265
Face only AF, AF around the point only
Cinema OS makes more sense for filming.
False color, waveform, magnification while recording etc…
Customization of what to show in which screen VF vs LCD vs HDMI, safe marks etc.
Port protector let you flip the screen
Media playback UI, I really hated at first, but I discovered how to control it with the touch screen and joystick (not the wheel as I was used) and is better that the R5. Still lacks lut support and a quicker way to delete videos imo.
 
 
Plus for the R5
Battery, battery and battery so no need to rig it and cables that can break etc...
More AF zones type, Animal and Car AF
IBIS (although I find it a problem in some cases like on gimbal with long lenses and wobble on wide angles)
Faster switch photo video (I thought that the R5c would bother me but for my usage is non issue and I do switch quite frequently)
C1-C3 modes this is so needed on the R5c
Bigger UI font
Wifi works in video mode too (this is ridiculous on the R5c that only works in photo mode)
 
 
AF the way I use it is very similar in term of performance some stuff are better on the R5 and some on the R5c I really wish they would merge the two functionalities.

If it would not be for the battery challenge, I would probably sell the R5 and get a second R5c.

I did sell one of my two R5 and added a R5c as I posted in the other thread.
At the beginning I was not too happy about the R5c but now I like it more than the R5 other than the battery issue that basically makes it a rig only camera. And I did not buy it due to the time limit as it was not an issue for me other than 4k 120…. Initially it was for the 8k 60 and audio on the 120fps.
I filmed 5 days of MTB and 2 days of Surfing in the last two weeks, and I reach out more to the R5c (A cam) than the R5 (B cam).
 
They are quite different, the R5 even more with the new FW is a really good hybrid, the R5c is a cinema camera that you can turn in a great photo camera, it seems the same but when you use them both you realize the differences.
 
Plus for the R5c:
8k 60 RAW
4k 60 much better quality than R5
4k 120 with sound and noticeably better quality than R5
S35 5.9k RAW

XAVC much easier to edit than h265
Face only AF, AF around the point only
Cinema OS makes more sense for filming.
False color, waveform, magnification while recording etc…
Customization of what to show in which screen VF vs LCD vs HDMI, safe marks etc.
Port protector let you flip the screen
Media playback UI, I really hated at first, but I discovered how to control it with the touch screen and joystick (not the wheel as I was used) and is better that the R5. Still lacks lut support and a quicker way to delete videos imo.
 
 
Plus for the R5
Battery, battery and battery so no need to rig it and cables that can break etc...
More AF zones type, Animal and Car AF
IBIS (although I find it a problem in some cases like on gimbal with long lenses and wobble on wide angles)
Faster switch photo video (I thought that the R5c would bother me but for my usage is non issue and I do switch quite frequently)
C1-C3 modes this is so needed on the R5c
Bigger UI font
Wifi works in video mode too (this is ridiculous on the R5c that only works in photo mode)
 
 
AF the way I use it is very similar in term of performance some stuff are better on the R5 and some on the R5c I really wish they would merge the two functionalities.

If it would not be for the battery challenge, I would probably sell the R5 and get a second R5c.

I did sell one of my two R5 and added a R5c as I posted in the other thread.
At the beginning I was not too happy about the R5c but now I like it more than the R5 other than the battery issue that basically makes it a rig only camera. And I did not buy it due to the time limit as it was not an issue for me other than 4k 120…. Initially it was for the 8k 60 and audio on the 120fps.
I filmed 5 days of MTB and 2 days of Surfing in the last two weeks, and I reach out more to the R5c (A cam) than the R5 (B cam).
 
They are quite different, the R5 even more with the new FW is a really good hybrid, the R5c is a cinema camera that you can turn in a great photo camera, it seems the same but when you use them both you realize the differences.
 
Plus for the R5c:
8k 60 RAW
4k 60 much better quality than R5
4k 120 with sound and noticeably better quality than R5
S35 5.9k RAW

XAVC much easier to edit than h265
Face only AF, AF around the point only
Cinema OS makes more sense for filming.
False color, waveform, magnification while recording etc…
Customization of what to show in which screen VF vs LCD vs HDMI, safe marks etc.
Port protector let you flip the screen
Media playback UI, I really hated at first, but I discovered how to control it with the touch screen and joystick (not the wheel as I was used) and is better that the R5. Still lacks lut support and a quicker way to delete videos imo.
 
 
Plus for the R5
Battery, battery and battery so no need to rig it and cables that can break etc...
More AF zones type, Animal and Car AF
IBIS (although I find it a problem in some cases like on gimbal with long lenses and wobble on wide angles)
Faster switch photo video (I thought that the R5c would bother me but for my usage is non issue and I do switch quite frequently)
C1-C3 modes this is so needed on the R5c
Bigger UI font
Wifi works in video mode too (this is ridiculous on the R5c that only works in photo mode)
 
 
AF the way I use it is very similar in term of performance some stuff are better on the R5 and some on the R5c I really wish they would merge the two functionalities.

If it would not be for the battery challenge, I would probably sell the R5 and get a second R5c.

I did sell one of my two R5 and added a R5c as I posted in the other thread.
At the beginning I was not too happy about the R5c but now I like it more than the R5 other than the battery issue that basically makes it a rig only camera. And I did not buy it due to the time limit as it was not an issue for me other than 4k 120…. Initially it was for the 8k 60 and audio on the 120fps.
I filmed 5 days of MTB and 2 days of Surfing in the last two weeks, and I reach out more to the R5c (A cam) than the R5 (B cam).
 
They are quite different, the R5 even more with the new FW is a really good hybrid, the R5c is a cinema camera that you can turn in a great photo camera, it seems the same but when you use them both you realize the differences.
 
Plus for the R5c:
8k 60 RAW
4k 60 much better quality than R5
4k 120 with sound and noticeably better quality than R5
S35 5.9k RAW

XAVC much easier to edit than h265
Face only AF, AF around the point only
Cinema OS makes more sense for filming.
False color, waveform, magnification while recording etc…
Customization of what to show in which screen VF vs LCD vs HDMI, safe marks etc.
Port protector let you flip the screen
Media playback UI, I really hated at first, but I discovered how to control it with the touch screen and joystick (not the wheel as I was used) and is better that the R5. Still lacks lut support and a quicker way to delete videos imo.
 
 
Plus for the R5
Battery, battery and battery so no need to rig it and cables that can break etc...
More AF zones type, Animal and Car AF
IBIS (although I find it a problem in some cases like on gimbal with long lenses and wobble on wide angles)
Faster switch photo video (I thought that the R5c would bother me but for my usage is non issue and I do switch quite frequently)
C1-C3 modes this is so needed on the R5c
Bigger UI font
Wifi works in video mode too (this is ridiculous on the R5c that only works in photo mode)
 
 
AF the way I use it is very similar in term of performance some stuff are better on the R5 and some on the R5c I really wish they would merge the two functionalities.

If it would not be for the battery challenge, I would probably sell the R5 and get a second R5c.

Did record 4x 30min 8K Raw with 1.6 and, no wonder not having a fan, the camera does extremely overheat already after the first 30 minutes.  It just doesn't shut down like before.  Using it this way over and over again can't be healthy for cards, batteries and the camera itself.  So Canon is still correct with their protection advice and time limits.  The Sony A1 does also overheat and also shuts down. Nobody did criticize it while being much more expensive.  I never understood why a small 4000 Euro camera should be expected to deliver the highest image quality at unlimited recording times.

Try to format it on a PC as exFat via a card reader so you can see if the card is functioning. I normally format my cards on the PC.

So I did many test and the face tracking the R5c thanks to the Face Only mode is more reliable/usable for video than the R5. I did shoot a school theater (not my usual stuff) and with a 70-200 at 2.8 with even changing lights etc the Face AF worked almost perfectly and when it loses the Face the fact that it does not jump focus it does not ruin the shoot.






In pure speed R5 and R5c with the AF settings to the max speed/reactive they are exactly the same, I tested side by side with the same lens.
Now here is where my problem was the "large AF area" of the R5c is similar to the second smaller AF area of the R5 the one that I use the most for action and it turns out that R5c tend to stick to the BG and not refocus on the subject but surprisingly when using the smaller AF area the R5c works like the R5 in the second smaller area. Bottomline this seems to fix my issue.

Still it would be cool to have R5 AF engine animal, vehicle and all the other AF area at disposal but with this setup it seems to work for my stuff as I normal use either Face or the small area AF. 










Bottomline the camera is growing on me, but it could be just amazing if they would really share more between the two systems.
 
 

Tilt is useless on gimbal. I much prefer swivel for this reason and for remote camera as in many cases I cannot go behind the camera.

I'm a big user of insta360 cameras, I have 2 of them, mostly to film myself and sometimes I use for projects too.... looking and some side by side the 1inch is definitely a step forward.

I do agree that 8k would be the bar minimum.... I think the industry stays away from 8k as stitching 8k video would probably only be possible on top-of-the-line phones and PCs.... and the market that they target it is mostly consumers. Same for requiring higher speed microSD

8k, 400 Mbits, 10 bit LOG would be the quantum leap that is needed to have 360 cameras used more professionally

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