Ed_David

On 12/17/2018 at 12:10 AM, sanveer said:

This new XEVC codec seems pretty amazing. It does 4k (3840) at 10-bit 4-2-2 at 100mbps which is the same bitrate the Sony A-Series does for 8-bit 4-2-0 internal (so this new Codec seems way more efficient than HEVC or anything else out that for compression). It also has 4k at 12-bit 4-4-4 at 240mbps (the BRAW 12:1 is around 215mbps or so I think, I had calculated it roughly from the 4.6k bitrate on the Ursa Mini Pro and done a rough estimation for the 4k based solely on frame size).

It suddenly looks like a codec face-off is in the offing. 

this is amazing

Andrew,

you were right there from the beginning, championing h.265 with the samsung nx1 - now Sony is going down this path in a big way.  

This is huge.  Can you imagine where video encoding goes next and what's possible with a tiny little camera?

18 hours ago, zerocool22 said:

You are forgetting white balance and extra dr of raw. I still feel the UMP image is closer then the c300 ii to the alexa. What are your thoughts Ed?

the UMP, while much improved with BRAW, still has magenta color shifts in the highlights that make the dynamic range not as strong.  Also UMP doesn't seem to have a OLPF in it - I haven't tried this out: http://rawlite.com/olpf-for-blackmagic-ursa-mini-pro-4-6k/

but I think that would make the camera more similar to the alexa.

Still at this point (and I am redoing the test) - the c300 mark ii RAW to pro res is the best way to get the sharpness an alexa has.  even with the new Noise reduction set to minus 1, the image is still too soft for me to be able to be cut without anyone noticing.

I love the UMP, but I sold it for the c300 just cause it was too sharp.  showed every pore, even with diffusion

review on this from facebook XT-3 group : "Just shot a short with Kipon Speedbooster and Leica R set. My thoughts. Well built and excellent optics. Con. You’ll need a 15mm lens support to minimize jiggle. The XF to EF still has some micro play. You’ll need to play nice on changing focus direction or long lenses will show jiggle. Someone really needs to make the PL style EF mount to XF to be a narrative : commercial beast.

That said, the full frame image is insane on the XT3. Slight vignetting on Leica 50. Useable and can be windowed. The rest of the set was fine. Great on Canon 24-105 and 70-200. AF works decently but hunts a bit compared to native.

1 minute ago, thephoenix said:

not a speedbooster but an adapter, problem is no test for video. coming soon he says...

 

cool but I want to see a speedbooster so I can do full frame on it with those great skintones, dynamic range and more!

Mattius left an amazing video on this:

seeing if anyone has tested with the xt-3

damn this is HUGE

4 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

For some reason your LUT doesn't work with footage I shot on my iPhone 3, could you check your settings and re-upload?

thanks guys

ok on it

On 11/2/2018 at 6:35 AM, kaylee said:

ykno, not tryin speak truth to power or call out the elephant in the room but...

youtube is built on the back of © infringement

thats what makes all this so lame

its WILDLY hypocritical

and they know that

well said - yea Youtube basically rose to fame on copyright infringement.  I remember the pre-google days.  Internet getting reigned in.

I tested the c300 mark ii with noise reduction and odyssey 7q raw recording vs the alexa.

The results may shock you!

Testing the Alexa Alexa Mini vs Canon C300 Mark II in terms of sharpness via the Odyssey RAW to Pro Res, with desharpen in post as well as in camera codec with noise reduction set to minus 1.  This is a new feature in a firmware update.  You have to go into other settings and turn on and to minus 1 - you can't just leave off.

Graded with my chart2 lut - 
link to that and stills here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3qmjg7iysvxlsf/AABk1BLbSY1Yy9JoDSYjo1Qva?dl=0

also stills are there to see better

please email me any questions or if you want the source files - I can get them to you on a sd card if you want.

tool to download all your vimeo videos before they take down your account;

http://jdownloader.org/jdownloader2

Wistia seems like a much better alternative:

https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/why-we-moved-from-vimeo-pro-to-wistia-and-why-you-should-too/

On 10/23/2018 at 11:10 PM, webrunner5 said:

Yeah all you need is about 50 times more of these, and employees that are good at roller skating for hot swapping out Hard Drives LoL.

I agree - but... vimeo is just using amazon for their storage.  but yea, the cost of it all is probably insane

On 10/24/2018 at 10:35 AM, Mark Romero 2 said:

Maybe "gear porn" would count???

this is funny

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/the-best-pornhub-videos-that-dont-have-any-porn-in-them

the Chinese have taken over!

Great products for cheaper.  

It's a crazy world we live in.

i smell a business oppritunity

Better than most $10k follow focus.

I can't believe it.

This and DJI killing it with drones and stabilizers - it's a whole new era.

17 hours ago, IronFilm said:

It depends. Sometimes in short bursts, like that, you don't notice the gaps but over longer conversations you realize they're missing pieces of info as you just talk right past each other. I have this happen an awful lot with my girlfriend. But if you say only briefly met her at party and had a brief chat, then you wouldn't notice it like I do who lives with her every day. 

girlfriend or not, his review was extremely fair.  He put it through its paces, as Jon said.

also, it's a free review.    so don't complain.  you spent no money on his hours and hours of work on the review that he puts out for free, or maybe for some advertising on their page.  

excited to test out the camera when it becomes available.

1 hour ago, jpfilmz said:

It the UMP really this soft compared to the C200?

nope, it was focus that was off.  I think if I shot resolution charts, UMP would resolve more than C200

7 minutes ago, andrgl said:

@Ed_David

Both these cameras look great! How did the file sizes match up?

12:1 4.6k BRAW is a LOT smaller than the canon lite which I think is 3:1 4k files 

19 minutes ago, bobo3 said:

Seems like the Blacks start a lot higher on the C200 compared to BRAW?

Did you find that the C200 did that to retain highlights better or once graded they pretty much had similar traits?

I think it's clog3 that has a higher black point.  

I found the c200 noisier in the shadows than the UMP! At 800 ASA - was not expecting that.

17 minutes ago, Jonesy Jones said:

Great to have you back Ed. Thanks for the test.

What I noticed is that the UMP tends toward magenta. The Canon is more neutral/green. 

It could be my bias but the UMP seems to render the gradients better with more dimension. 

But both images are superb. In a blind test I'd never have a clue.

Thanks - yes Canon is much more green.

I think yes still UMP has that magenta feel - which isn't bad - but yes also agree UMP has more gradients so much dimensions on the face and secondary highlights and all that - so the image feels more organic

yes they both do good things - the c200 is smoother - but yea lacks the three dimensional quality.

I did a quick skintone and motion test between the two cameras.  Will do a more thorough test tomorrow.

Let me know thoughts.

C200 was donated for the test by Friendly Films!

http://www.friendlyfilms.co/

with BRAW - the blackmagic pocket cinema camera 4k maybe the best smallest cinema camera ever made.

I am curious to see dynamic range, skintones and motion and low light capabilities.

After taking the new Ursa Mini Pro with BRAW for a turn - all the limitations - the low iso, the magneta shifting, the dead skintones - all have been lifted from my eyes

5 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

I wonder if they'll add Braw to the Video Assist. It would open up the codec to every other camera BUT, maybe the codec depends too much on being programmed to the particular sensor and so can only work for in camera recording.

The Video Assist already has SDI in, so I assume there's no hardware stopping it from recording raw in one way or another... that said, I've never seen a cDNG option on our one.

 

raw has to come out of the camera - can't go just a normal video stream to raw

2 minutes ago, mercer said:

It looks great! And maybe a little sharper? Do you use LUTS, I always really like your grades, muted earth tones, really organic look. Oh yeah, did you test BRaw with SD cards?

didn't test with sd card yet

used the visioncolor impulz lut for redlog with it

thanks man - didn't add sharpening

On 9/17/2018 at 5:08 AM, mercer said:

Well I already have EF lenses. And when I wrote that, I thought the Ursa Mini 4K had an SD slot because supposedly they are getting the 4K 12:1 Raw to work with SD cards used with the BMPCC... which is huge for the P4K but the Mini 4K does not have an SD slot and instead uses CFast cards which are considerably cheaper than CFast2 cards... so that’s not horrible.

But you are right, the prices could rise on the used market.

There are also some theories that the processor in the Micro may be able to handle B-Raw... which would be great if implemented. 

According to members on bmcuser, B-Raw has improved FPN issues on the UMP, so it may help with the UM4K as well if implemented. Along with Gen 4 color they are also claiming a better noise floor and more organic noise overall. 

I can't see any FPN at 3200 ISO - it's moving noise - much more organic

I added a more filmic grade as well to my test:

9 minutes ago, Jonesy Jones said:

BM has said they would. Any reason to think they won't? From watching the video, what I gather is that this raw codec is HIGHLY specialized to the sensor and camera. Like way more specialized than any other raw format ever has been. It has taken them 2+ years to get where they are now. I don't think this will be a drag and drop thing for the P4K. It only makes sense for them to go for the original UM 4.6K first since the sensor tech is so similar to the UMP. I hope they then go with the P4K. 

Very jealous. I want my UMP back. lol

I'm thinking BM has done something, who knows, maybe even on accident, with this new .braw. I have no idea about any of this tech, but I am wondering if the de-mosaic work being done in camera is doing something special to the footage. It's stunning.

Yes good call!

Curious now to see if other camera companies start to adopt this technology.

Also it shows the power of the little guys.  Not Sony, Canon, Arri, Apple (with Pro Res RAW), or Red came to this concept first, right?  I think its a pretty unique process

fixed pattern noise is very, very much reduced

motion is better

highlight roll off is better

this is a HUGE upgrade to the UMP:

I did a test below:

come on vimeo: