MattH

Has nobody else seen what I saw in that article?:
"The camera quickly shifts from 35mm full frame to 35mm cine at the push of a button. Full frame is HD; Super 35 goes up to 4K."
So it isn't really a full frame video/cinema camera (and neither would a theoretical Panasonic version).   It's native 4k at 1.5 crop which is good, but there are other options for super 35.  For example, the current GH4 with a speed booster.  Reading that fact makes this camera less exiting, but - on the positive side - something I can forget about.

Has nobody else seen what I saw in that article?:
"The camera quickly shifts from 35mm full frame to 35mm cine at the push of a button. Full frame is HD; Super 35 goes up to 4K."
So it isn't really a full frame video/cinema camera (and neither would a theoretical Panasonic version).   It's native 4k at 1.5 crop which is good, but there are other options for super 35.  For example, the current GH4 with a speed booster.  Reading that fact makes this camera less exiting, but - on the positive side - something I can forget about.

Na sorry, take that bulshit back to DVX user, this is 2015.  Full frame means 36mm wide. Get over it.

Na sorry, take that bulshit back to DVX user, this is 2015.  Full frame means 36mm wide. Get over it.

I take it back. Looking at other clips, the RS still looks shitty.  Sony were lying when they said the sensor reads out 120 times a second.  If they meant in crop mode then they should have specified the crop.  Otherwise you could say it has a 0.001ms readout speed then turn round and say its only for a crop of 1 pixel.

As I predicted, the rolling shutter skew has been greatly reduced.  No way that is 30ms like the original A7s.   Has to be at most 8.3 milliseconds mathematically.  It looks even less.  I'm still dubious about the overall look though.

I take it back. Looking at other clips, the RS still looks shitty.  Sony were lying when they said the sensor reads out 120 times a second.  If they meant in crop mode then they should have specified the crop.  Otherwise you could say it has a 0.001ms readout speed then turn round and say its only for a crop of 1 pixel.

As I predicted, the rolling shutter skew has been greatly reduced.  No way that is 30ms like the original A7s.   Has to be at most 8.3 milliseconds mathematically.  It looks even less.  I'm still dubious about the overall look though.

Well you could consider selling your 18-35 or keeping it for later and getting some other full frame glass.  Or if you really want to use the 18-35 the A7r ii will probably be better for you:  Aps-c mode is 4k dowsampled from a full apsc sensor readout.  For this you would want something like the metabones e-mount to ef adapter (not speedbooster).

Here you go! :-)

Sorry, this is more like it..
 
 

Surely this is a sick joke? Red should change their name to green, since that is clearly all they want from the film making community.

Indeed. In fact, I suggest that the following video be the official response of this forum to Red:

No. In specs on paper it crushes it.
in HD:  10 bit 4.2.2 vs 8 bit 4.2.0
in 4k: 8 bit 4.2.0 vs nothing.
But your question, which was clearly actually a statement, is correct.  The specs may not necessarily translate into a better image.  The C100 with wide dynamic profile may give a nicer look out of camera than 10 bit slog, graded and converted finally to 4.2.0.   But I'd say theres more flexability there with the FS5 to either get a better image or a worse image.
 
I think it makes sense to think of the FS5 as a professional HD camera with a consumer 4k bonus.    A bit expensive for me though.  TV production is this things market.

Half life mf!

Half life mf!

Half life mf!

How the transcript should have read:
 
Jessica: The Vlog update only costs $99.99, before taxes! We provide FREE Shipping if we place the order today, too!
You: Ok cool, it that next day delivery or is that extra, will fed-ex be delivering my FIRMWARE UPGRADE?  Will it come on CD-rom or floppy disk?
Jessica: Let's go ahead and add it to your cart! Do you have any other questions before we proceed with the order process?
You: Yes, I have a question. what makes you so arrogant as to assume I will need and accept your assistance?
Jessica: To help speed things along, please let me stay with you throughout your purchase, that way we can ensure you complete the order successfully.
You: No! good day sir!
You: It just said "There was a payment processing error. Please contact Customer Service at 1-800-405-0652."Jessica: I am sorry to hear that. May I know from what country are we trying to do the order?You: I'm in thailand right nowYou: but all my credit card and address are from the statesJessica: You are shipping it to US, right? Is your credit card issued in the US?
You: I just told you I am in thailand, why would I be shipping it to the US?  And Its a firmware upgrade. That means sofware. No shipping is involved you dumb bitch!
Jessica: Thank you for visiting Panasonic.com.

Im not talking about anything that comes from post. im talking about camera output. more on that later
just talkin about in camera color rn tho
nothing could be further from the truth. i want a high level of color accuracy for reproducing sets, costuming, and prop elements (which were very expensive and time consuming to make). i want nature to look like nature, i dont want to have to avoid shooting something as common as a F------ BLUE SKY for any reason, i want people to look awesome, and healthy, like actual living creatures with blood running through their veins
fyi im capable of being extremely critical of the alexa, everybodys favorite movie camera. im not a mark; i know what i want and im gonna keep bitching until i get it, thats my job as a consumer. after TONS of bitching from us all about slog2 on the a7s, heres slog3 on its successor –– no coincidence. anyway, i digress, just saying that youre a bit unclear on what im "looking for"
these video reinforce my point: ive seen em, not impressed. at all. im not into retro luts or affected color grading, thats a fine option –– but i described above what i want from a digital video camera
but then again –– some feature filmmakers are going to map all their colors to teal and orange in their edit, and for them this shit doesnt rlly matter too much. slog2 is great for black and white work ive made some beautiful stuff
 
 

Anyone else feel like this was too much information to take in all at once today?  I had to take a break.
Some questions that spring to mind: (havent checked thoroughly for answers)
1. What is the readout speed? It it the same as the GH4 due to being limited by the sensor, or is faster due to different processing/cooling.
2. Is the 4k and QHD native crop like it is in the GH4?  I would assume it is, but what about HD, is that also a crop, or the QHD downscaled, or the full sensor downscaled?
3 Is the mini SSD proprietary?  Shooting 4k raw is going to need some extra media.

Waves always look bad. So much moving stuff to confuse and overwork the compression.  I think normal things will look quite good.  120fps at 1080p full readout is pretty novel actually.   Obviously if you want 4k slow motion you need to get an 7S7 or URSA.  No stills cam does it.

"​I know it had some paperwork with it but my wife had cleaned up and tossed it out i guess it would have pointed out this on the paper. All good now."
would've not would of.
Just doing my part to rid the world of this abomination

The short answer it will just fit without vignetting.
 
The GH3 with the 0.64 speed booster will give you an effective crop of 1.3317.  If you google sigma 18-35 full frame you will get examples that show you the full image circle.
like here for example: https://witonosfreestyle.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/hands-on-review-on-sigma-18-35mm-1-8-dc-hsm/
By measuring that image on your screen you can work out where a 16:9  1.3317 crop image would go.  By my measurements it just fits without vignetting
Of course, you will be getting a lot of light fall off wide open.  (note the difference between fall-off and vignetting).
I cant guarantee it will work, of course, but I would bet £50 on it.

How the transcript should have read:
 
Jessica: The Vlog update only costs $99.99, before taxes! We provide FREE Shipping if we place the order today, too!
You: Ok cool, it that next day delivery or is that extra, will fed-ex be delivering my FIRMWARE UPGRADE?  Will it come on CD-rom or floppy disk?
Jessica: Let's go ahead and add it to your cart! Do you have any other questions before we proceed with the order process?
You: Yes, I have a question. what makes you so arrogant as to assume I will need and accept your assistance?
Jessica: To help speed things along, please let me stay with you throughout your purchase, that way we can ensure you complete the order successfully.
You: No! good day sir!
You: It just said "There was a payment processing error. Please contact Customer Service at 1-800-405-0652."Jessica: I am sorry to hear that. May I know from what country are we trying to do the order?You: I'm in thailand right nowYou: but all my credit card and address are from the statesJessica: You are shipping it to US, right? Is your credit card issued in the US?
You: I just told you I am in thailand, why would I be shipping it to the US?  And Its a firmware upgrade. That means sofware. No shipping is involved you dumb bitch!
Jessica: Thank you for visiting Panasonic.com.

Is it 10 bit?  I guess not. I think it should be 10 bit for a paid upgrade if the camera can handle it. If this was the case there would be no question whether it was worth it. People would be going out and buying new gh4s in anticipation.

The bmpc and bmpcc are native iso 800. Unlike a stills camera, when you change the iso the sensor does not change its analogue gain. Instead, they apply a pre compression digital boost or pull.  Indeed, when you record raw the iso changes nothing but metadata.  So by shooting at 200 iso you are loosing 2 stops of highlight clipping lattitude over middle grey. If you are clipped at 800 you will still be clipped at 200. You need to lower the physical exposure to solve the clipping.