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6 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

I don't think this makes it a cinema camera...

Surely not ; ) But, it's something people out there do wonder about, y'all know?

Here's just one (and finest) example — do not kill the messenger! : D I know this forum (or a few of you to be more precise ; ) loves to underestimate or undermine these insignificant devices...

but I really also wonder if... it's not time for a change?

What do you guys think? : )

Simon Wyndham's input (part of Alister Chapman's circle / aka Mr. XDCAM = given his Sony connection back in those early days)

 

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Like with anything, it's best not to get too revved up over the hype and wait until there are actual cameras around to check out.  GoPro are, of course, hiring professionals and cherry picking the very best footage/images that any of them captured.

Otherwise, the concept of using an action camera ASIC in a cinema camera isn't new - it was exactly the strategy with the Z Cam E1.  Since then, action cameras have advanced a lot, thankfully.  Similarly, the Z Cam E2 series used/uses an off the shelf Hisense board, though that one was intended for higher-end security cams/consumer cameras and not action cameras.

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15 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Like with anything, it's best not to get too revved up over the hype and wait until there are actual cameras around to check out.  GoPro are, of course, hiring professionals and cherry picking the very best footage/images that any of them captured.

I found an interview with the person who shot the under-water sections of a GoPro promo video (IIRC it was for the Hero 3 or 3+), and the level of effort they put into it was simply incredible.  He had a team of about 5, three crew and two cast, and they had a week for production.  He was an independent DOP and had done some pre-production as part of his 'pitch' to GoPro to get the gig, but I think they did detailed pre during the week as well as camera tests and lots and lots of shooting.

This was only for the underwater shots (the bikini girl diving beneath the waves).  If we assume that each of the (maybe half a dozen?) locations each got 5 people for a week, then that's ~7500 hours just to film the 1-2 minute promo video.  The level of cherry-picking is extreme - professional DOPs pitching projects, travel to the most exotic locations, testing of all modes with all manner of equipment, everyone in cast and crew are professionals, long shooting days at the best times (golden hour, etc), dozens of hours of footage just to make a short promo.  Then people set it to auto, hold the tiny camera in their hand and film their family at the beach with whatever lighting and weather happens to be there at the time and then we wonder why it doesn't look like the promo videos...

Having said all that, if GoPro make an interchangeable lens camera with a half-decent bitrate and a colour-managed LOG profile then it might be the tiny camera we've been wanting!

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7 hours ago, kye said:

Having said all that, if GoPro make an interchangeable lens camera with a half-decent bitrate and a colour-managed LOG profile then it might be the tiny camera we've been wanting!

For sure, and I'd be excited to give it a try!  I was a Kickstarter backer of the Z Cam E1 and I've bought a few Ribcage kits/cameras over the years.  I was disappointed by all of them, but I'm still hoping for that magical/usable tiny sensor camera!  I have a little bag full of D-mount and C-mount lenses just waiting to go on something!

(I still wish there were a way to get a decent/non-laggy video feed from the Insta360 One R/RS series - I have a Ribcage-modded 1" module and the quality is really decent - but focus is hard, given the only options for monitoring are the camera's tiny screen or laggy wifi)

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