Canon USA drops new teaser (FX30 competitor?)

[ND64]

1 hour ago, MrSMW said:

But we’ll see… They either will or they won’t but if they do, my money is it will be with L Mount.

They don't even let you change the broken front glass of the 360 camera, then tell their army of YouTube influencers to say its not a big deal. With either mount, winning the heart and brain of professionals is very hard. I end this discussion here cause we're way off topic under a Canon thread.

[BTM_Pix]

While all the rumour sites sites try and flex about who was first with the leak about the C50, this guy is sat there quietly with a TWELVE YEAR lead 😂

[ND64]

2 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

While all the rumour sites sites try and flex about who was first with the leak about the C50, this guy is sat there quietly with a TWELVE YEAR lead 😂

Just saw this ebay find in his blog. That would be $8600 today.

Canon R1 is now $6400 after tariffs. Even Trump gov is not greedy as 2013 Canon. 

[Simon Young]

Wonderfully shameless rip off of the FX3. Now let's just hope that the C50 is better than the upcoming FX3ii.

 

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/780PWiZDFo8

[eatstoomuchjam]

So now we know there aren't XLR on the body itself, but we also know that Canon are releasing a first-party XLR hotshoe adapter (maybe it'll be backward-compatible with R5C/R5 II, etc).

[Ty Harper]

If that's the C50, it looks bigger than I thought. I was thinking it would be closer to the R50V in size. 

[Django]

Considering the rumored specs there is no way it was going to be R50V size!

The XLR top handle aligns with the leaked info:

Compact Box-Style Design: Aluminium alloy body construction, weather-sealed; active cooling fan for unlimited recording; weight ~650g (body only); RF mount with EF adapter support. TBA: Optional electronic viewfinder (EVF) attachment (5.76M-dot OLED); 3.2-inch vari-angle touchscreen LCD (2.1M-dot).  

Ports and Storage: Dual card slots (CFexpress Type B + SD UHS-II); full-size HDMI 2.1; USB-C 3.2; XLR audio inputs via optional top handle; Wi-Fi 6E, Bluetooth 5.3; Ethernet via adapter. 

[KnightsFan]

"Box-style design" does not align with what I am looking at. Either there are two different cameras, or some marketing genius decided to just call it what people want and hope no one notices.

Edit: Or--and I'm really stretching here--that handle is detachable. Which would be really cool and I would take back all of my snide categorization criticisms.

[Davide DB]

Still I don't see an edge on a 5 years old FX3.

What I'm missing?

Maybe RAW? FX3 files edit like butter

[Django]

Open Gate alone is a major game changer. 6K RAW / 32MP stills make it a serious upgrade for hybrid duties. 

Now stuff like triple-base ISO / DGO sensor & NDs would make it epic but I still doubt that'll happen.

That said if you're happy with FX3 or locked into Sony, see this as more pressure on them to up the ante on FX3 II.

[eatstoomuchjam]

37 minutes ago, KnightsFan said:

Edit: Or--and I'm really stretching here--that handle is detachable. Which would be really cool and I would take back all of my snide categorization criticisms.

The rumor that was highlighted said it was "optional" which would absolutely imply detachable.

15 minutes ago, Davide DB said:

Still I don't see an edge on a 5 years old FX3.

What I'm missing?

Maybe RAW? FX3 files edit like butter

6K vs 4K, internal raw, and rumored DGO sensor would all be better on a spec sheet.

But it's also true that we're in a time of decreasing returns.  The FX3 is a great camera.  It makes a good image, can work with very little light, has fantastic autofocus, and it's small/portable.  Everything about it is absolutely enough for the vast majority of current productions.  You could just as easily respond that you don't care about 6K, raw, or an extra stop or two of dynamic range and you'd be absolutely correct.

On the other hand, Canon has lost a lot of their video production market share and they need something that they can point to when current users say they want something like an FX3, and ideally a little better than the FX3 so that their users still feel good buying Canon stuff.

[Django]

Multi aspect ratio delivery is increasingly common so open gate would be a god send not to mention it opens up anamorphic for higher end cine duties.

55 minutes ago, KnightsFan said:

Edit: Or--and I'm really stretching here--that handle is detachable. Which would be really cool and I would take back all of my snide categorization criticisms.

Of course its detachable..

[KnightsFan]

12 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

The rumor that was highlighted said it was "optional" which would absolutely imply detachable.

Oh sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant the side grip. The thing that looks very much part of the camera and very much not a box.

[Django]

pretty sure its fixed.. a la FX3.

[KnightsFan]

12 minutes ago, Django said:

pretty sure its fixed.. a la FX3.

Me too, so no one should be calling that thing a box camera.

[Davide DB]

48 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

The rumor that was highlighted said it was "optional" which would absolutely imply detachable.

6K vs 4K, internal raw, and rumored DGO sensor would all be better on a spec sheet.

But it's also true that we're in a time of decreasing returns.  The FX3 is a great camera.  It makes a good image, can work with very little light, has fantastic autofocus, and it's small/portable.  Everything about it is absolutely enough for the vast majority of current productions.  You could just as easily respond that you don't care about 6K, raw, or an extra stop or two of dynamic range and you'd be absolutely correct.

On the other hand, Canon has lost a lot of their video production market share and they need something that they can point to when current users say they want something like an FX3, and ideally a little better than the FX3 so that their users still feel good buying Canon stuff.

You're right, 6K and open gate. But even without mentioning the crippled hammer, Canon has always been careful not to cannibalize its own products. Can a C50 be better than its sisters in the cinema line?

 

[eatstoomuchjam]

1 minute ago, Davide DB said:

You're right, 6K and open gate. But even without mentioning the crippled hammer, Canon has always been careful not to cannibalize its own products. Can a C50 be better than its sisters in the cinema line?

The C80 has internal ND and there's almost no way this one does, based on the size.  C80 also has XLR, SDI, and about a bazillion buttons that this one doesn't.

On paper, the R5C had a number of advantages over the C70, including better AF and 8K shooting.  But it also lacked internal ND, XLR, etc.

If I were Canon, I'd honestly be a lot more concerned about sales of the R5 II than the C80/C400 if this camera has most of the rumored specs.  Especially if it has a DGO sensor, I'd gladly take that over 8K recording and 10-15 more megapixels for still photos.

[Django]

R5II is still mainly a photography camera with its 45MP, ergonomics and eye-AF control EVF. It has great video specs but no fan, line skipped 4K60p.. I'd imagine the C50 would have limited stills, maybe e-shutter only, no EVF, cine OS.. not to cannibalise R5ii.

[newfoundmass]

Bring back the C100 design. One of my favorite cameras I've ever used from a pure ergonomic standpoint.

Enough of the modified DSLR bodies for video centric cameras.

[Danyyyel]

1 hour ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

The C80 has internal ND and there's almost no way this one does, based on the size.  C80 also has XLR, SDI, and about a bazillion buttons that this one doesn't.

On paper, the R5C had a number of advantages over the C70, including better AF and 8K shooting.  But it also lacked internal ND, XLR, etc.

If I were Canon, I'd honestly be a lot more concerned about sales of the R5 II than the C80/C400 if this camera has most of the rumored specs.  Especially if it has a DGO sensor, I'd gladly take that over 8K recording and 10-15 more megapixels for still photos.

Why do you think an R5ii would be more at risk, when they cater for completely different market. The R5ii gives you a premium photo camera experience, while this one would be more for videographers that might occasionally shoot some photos.