Canon USA drops new teaser (FX30 competitor?)

[eatstoomuchjam]

1 hour ago, MrSMW said:

Absolutely no way any 'cinema' camera is that small. It looks like a medium sized phone that ate a medium sized pie at best.

Maybe you're on to something... after all, Nikon did buy all of Red's IP...

Maybe it's time to finally release long-promised the Red Lithium and fulfill the promise of the Hydrogen One!  Or maybe it's time for the Hydrogen Two!  😅
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hydrogen_One

[Davide DB]

1 hour ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Maybe you're on to something... after all, Nikon did buy all of Red's IP...

Maybe it's time to finally release long-promised the Red Lithium and fulfill the promise of the Hydrogen One!  Or maybe it's time for the Hydrogen Two!  😅
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hydrogen_One

OMG! What you just reminded me of!

[Andrew Reid]

4 hours ago, Django said:

As with all rumor mills take this with a grain of salt, instant-buy if this is verdict :

 

Canon EOS C50 Sensor and Image Processing

32MP Full-Frame BSI CMOS Sensor: Adapted from R5-series tech but at a reduced 32MP resolution for better heat management and faster readouts in video modes. (~6936 x 4624 pixels in 3:2 aspect ratio for stills; supports Open Gate full-sensor readout for video). Features Dual Gain Output (DGO) for enhanced dynamic range (15+ stops), borrowed from C300/C70 technology.  Analysis: With the help of the BSI CMOS sensor, the low-light performance of the camera improves, as well as heat management issues become much better due to the lower resolution sensor compared to the R5 Mark II with 45 megapixels. So, the lower resolution choice makes it an ideal sensor for cinema workflow, making it highly efficient for solo professionals.

DIGIC Accelerator + DIGIC X: Dual-processor setup added with AI DIGIC Accelerator, the Canon 32MP sensor has fast sensor readout, despite being a non-stacked CMOS sensor, and reduced rolling shutter.  Analysis: The image processor is responsible for the overall performance of the camera. Paired up with Canon’s homegrown AI image processor known as DIGIC Accelerator, it boosts the AF performance of the camera. The Accelerated Capture system reduces rolling shutter distortion, ensuring smooth footage during fast action. Advanced Dual Pixel Intelligent AF, powered by the DIGIC Accelerator, offers precise subject tracking.

Canon EOS C50 Video Capabilities

Resolution and Frame Rates: Canon C50 is available to capture 6K RAW at 60 FPS (full-sensor readout; oversampled from 7K / 32MP for high detail). 4K at 120 FPS (uncropped or minimal crop, 10-bit 4:2:2 internal). Additional modes include 4K 60 FPS oversampled (from 7K-equivalent downsample for superior quality, no line-skipping) and Full HD at 240 FPS. Analysis: The core video specifications actually outperform the Sony FX3 4K 120 limit in resolution flexibility, focusing more on cleaner capture by oversampling from 7K. The Canon C50 camera also has an active full cooling fan inside, so no recording limit.

Codecs and Log Profiles: Canon RAW Light (LT/STD/HQ), Canon Log 2/3, HDR-PQ, XF-AVC, MP4 (H.265/H.264). Features internal ND filters (up to 10 stops), timecode I/O, proxy recording.  Analysis: The above codecs, resolution, and frame rates all qualify for high-end production needs, and it will very easily make its space in top Netflix-recommended cameras.

Canon EOS C50 Autofocus and Stabilisation

Dual Pixel CMOS AF II: AI subject detection for people, animals, vehicles; up to 1,053 AF zones; face/eye tracking with registration for up to 10 subjects. Analysis: The need to track 3D moving subjects even in complex scenes makes it very ideal for documentary-style or event shooting. At the same time, with the AI enhancement, users will experience a major shift in autofocus performance compared to the Canon R5C.

In-Body Image Stabilisation (IBIS): Up to 8 stops, with electronic IS coordination for video.  Analysis: The Canon C50 allows you to shoot handheld videos due to the presence of its sensor-shift image stabilisation system. Further, you can also use gimbals or external stabilisers to enhance performance. Canon R5C and FX3 — neither of them had IBIS.

Canon EOS C50 Build and Connectivity

Compact Box-Style Design: Aluminium alloy body construction, weather-sealed; active cooling fan for unlimited recording; weight ~650g (body only); RF mount with EF adapter support. TBA: Optional electronic viewfinder (EVF) attachment (5.76M-dot OLED); 3.2-inch vari-angle touchscreen LCD (2.1M-dot).  Analysis: The new Canon C50 is a rig-ready camera, a mix with the Sony FX3 design. You can easily mount several accessories on the mounting threads all around the body.

Ports and Storage: Dual card slots (CFexpress Type B + SD UHS-II); full-size HDMI 2.1; USB-C 3.2; XLR audio inputs via optional top handle; Wi-Fi 6E, Bluetooth 5.3; Ethernet via adapter.  Analysis: Lots of upgrades in the new C50 body — starting with a full-size HDMI port (HDMI 2.1) and timecode I/O support for multi-cam setups, positioning it above consumer hybrids.

Battery & Power: LP-E6P battery (2+ hours of 4K recording); power delivery via USB-C; optional battery grip or V-mount compatibility.

Other Features

The Canon C50 will be Canon’s first cinema camera to offer Open Gate recording for flexible aspect ratios. Waveform/vectorscope monitoring will also be there, along with false color. A new feature is anamorphic de-squeeze functionality, and AI upscaling to 8K is proposed (not available in the initial version of the camera).

 

Canon C50 Pricing [Expected] and Value Proposition

Canon C50 Price: $3,499–$3,999 body only [Approx]. Analysis: At this level, the C50 enters the higher-end cinema EOS lineup, positioned below the C70 ($5,499). It offers more than the FX3 ($3,899), but the C70 was less popular due to its price point and limited Canon’s RF lens ecosystem (lenses start at $300+). Hopefully, this year, third-party makers will release a massive range of full-frame RF autofocus lenses. For indie filmmakers, the C50 represents excellent value for money—delivering 6K capabilities at half the cost of a RED Komodo ($5,995). However, if Canon opts for a higher tag (e.g., $4,799), it risks alienating budget-conscious creators.

https://thenewcamera.com/canon-c50-rumored-specs-price-release-date-and-in-depth-analysis/

Doesn't seem right to me.

650g with internal ND mechanics and IBIS, with a full frame sensor?

I don't think that's realistic.

 

[Davide DB]

In the Alps, they are saying that the compact blurry camera could be the new DJI or even a Panasonic (!), because the lens adapter that is visible is a Viltrox PL-L-Mount.

They're going crazy 🤪

[Danyyyel]

12 minutes ago, Davide DB said:

In the Alps, they are saying that the compact blurry camera could be the new DJI or even a Panasonic (!), because the lens adapter that is visible is a Viltrox PL-L-Mount.

They're going crazy 🤪

Yep, seems that it is not a Canon or Nikon, apart from the Viltrox, I don't think Canon or Nikon would showcase their camera with a third party lens, and not a full autofocus Canikon lens. 

[MrSMW]

There is talk of Viltrox even making their own camera so possibly that?

If that's a PL-L mount, that is interesting...

[Django]

55 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Doesn't seem right to me.

650g with internal ND mechanics and IBIS, with a full frame sensor?

I don't think that's realistic.

 

What if it's an e-ND like FS5? That would make it very light. The FX2 adds an oversized EVF to the FX body and manages 594g. I think it's doable but I also think those specs are a little ambitious and probably erroneous.  

[Davide DB]

49 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

There is talk of Viltrox even making their own camera so possibly that?

If that's a PL-L mount, that is interesting...

[ntblowz]

If new DJI camera can wireless link to their mics it insta buy from me, especially if it can link up to 4 of them haha.

Hopefully it can shake up the camera industry long dominated by Japan... like how Samsung was back then.

[jbCinC_12]

I believe there will be two Canon “C” Cameras coming out (I think I’m not so sure).

• Canon C50 (Full Frame) 
• Canon C10 (it could be the “FX30” Killer according to the Rumor mill) - https://thenewcamera.com/category/canon-rumors/

Again, these are just some findings, so I look forward to see what Canon comes up their sleeves next week. 😉

[MrSMW]

8 hours ago, ntblowz said:

Hopefully it can shake up the camera industry long dominated by Japan... like how Samsung was back then

Yes please, but history says that most attempts in this industry just flop and the big boys just plod on with their glacial development…

I was thinking yesterday how the S1RII could have been better for my needs and the only thing I came up with was a body design a la FX3 with a flat top so there could be twin hotshoe mounts, or rather one hotshoe for mic and one cold shoe for a small light, ie, no need to have to make a choice or add a cage.

Internal VND (without sacrificing IBIS) would also be the obvious one, but beyond that, there isn’t anything else for me that I can think of.

I suspect both the new Canon and Nikon  will be good, but not groundbreaking in anyway, but FX3 style versions of the R6III and the Z6III respectively.

DJI has access to Hasselblad colour science, at least as a marketing thing and lidar AF and doesn’t come from the conservative mold of the more traditional Japanese brands, so could be interesting.

Lumix’s next FF cam is surely the S1H and can’t see it being that tiny thing in that pic which if Lumix, is more likely a tiny 4/3 cinema camera based on size and the ‘fact’ that they are unlikely to plop out an APSC camera at this time?

Or it’s some other brand such as Black Magic because they have M4/3 roots and now use L Mount so a return to a modern version of their OG pocket camera?

[ND64]

How you take 6k raw which is 6144 from 6936 pixels without crop? Its only 12% crop, but still crop. 

Any why on earth DJI should make a camera with L mount that has no control on when has its own mount with its own lenses? 

[MrSMW]

18 minutes ago, ND64 said:

Any why on earth DJI should make a camera with L mount that has no control on when has its own mount with its own lenses? 

Cost and range.

L Mount now has a huge number of available lenses whereas DJI have very few.

Take something like the Lumix 35mm f1.8 at around 500 US/UK/EU currency whereas the DJI lens is f2.8 and 3x the price. OK, it's smaller and lighter, but video orientated also.

But no reason why they could not develop their own line but they would probably be limiting their market by not using a more openly available mount?

Folks moan all the time about how few options outside RF there are for Canon. Same thing, but with a less well known brand.

[ND64]

2 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

L Mount now has a huge number of available lenses whereas DJI have very few.

Still doesn't justify licensing the L mount. It sends a terrible marketing message. And looks even more stupid when you remember their cine camera is DL mount. Everybody in the industry is trying to make a platform based on their mount that bridges between their still and cine line. DJI adopting L mount for FF still and DL for FF cine and drones, and another mount for Hasselblad is beyond stupid.

[MrSMW]

18 minutes ago, ND64 said:

DJI adopting L mount for FF still and DL for FF cine and drones, and another mount for Hasselblad is beyond stupid.

Not necessarily...

Hasselblad might be owned by DJI, have their lenses built in Japan and source their sensors from Sony, but are still a Swedish company designing and building their own cameras (and I believe in designing their own lenses) and based on their most recent release, seem to happy to be chasing a purely stills orientated market. I can't see them producing a FF or smaller sensor camera as it wouldn't make sense but instead leave that to parent company DJI...

...who from an aerial perspective, makes sense to use their own mount or fixed lenses.

But any new FF camera, who would their customers be?

Well there is no existing DJI camera (outside of the Ronin 4D and that is a different thing) so they would wish to nab customers from all of the existing brands, so; Canon, Nikon, Sony, Lumix, Fujifilm etc

Realistically, in order to do that, they would need to be both innovative and mainstream, ie, have 'something' that the others do not but at the same time, be able to do what say your typical 'mid' mirrorless can do, ie, photo and video.

A handful of lenses wouldn't cut it so they would need to launch with a lot more than what is on offer or they'd be dead in the water.

People don't buy bodies, - they buy systems. Well business users do anyway, maybe not the average Jo Public.

As an existing L Mount user for all my ground based photo and video needs and DJI for aerial, having something that fits in with that has a lot of appeal such as my S9 is currently the most 'at risk' bit of kit in my lineup and it's currently part back up, occasional semi-static, sometimes gimbal-like use and I'm toying with getting another gimbal and making more use of it than I do, but this is where DJI might fit in with their history as also a maker of gimbals...and if the lens mount ties in with what I already use, it makes sense.

I guess we'll find out in a few weeks, but if DJI do enter the camera arena, I hope it's FF and it's L Mount and to me, it makes perfect sense that these are the most likely options.

But then what do I know?!

[ND64]

13 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

People don't buy bodies, - they buy systems. Well business users do anyway, maybe not the average Jo Public.

That's the point. You can't make your system based on other parties structure that you can't even modify to be compatible with your proprietary features. And nobody can manage 3 mounts at the same time. Even a volume focused giant like Canon couldn't and ditched EF-M mount.

This DJI camera with L mount is not even a rumor. Its a fantasy made by YouTubers who are struggling with Japanese camera menu system and wish an outsider make a modern one, while let them use Japanese glass.

[eatstoomuchjam]

6 hours ago, ND64 said:

Still doesn't justify licensing the L mount. It sends a terrible marketing message. And looks even more stupid when you remember their cine camera is DL mount. Everybody in the industry is trying to make a platform based on their mount that bridges between their still and cine line. DJI adopting L mount for FF still and DL for FF cine and drones, and another mount for Hasselblad is beyond stupid.

Do you mean their cinema camera that has swappable mounts including DL mount, L mount, and M mount all coming first-party from DJI themselves?  And E mount coming third-party rebranded by DJI?  And EF and PL mount from third parties?  If you go on any Ronin 4D user group, you will quickly see that Sony E mount seems to be the most popular followed by L mount.

I think you're just flat-out wrong on this, sorry.  DJi have a total of 6 lenses for DL mount, IIRC.  16/2.8 (APS-C), 24/2.8, 35/2.8, 50/2.8, 75/1.8, and 17-28/4 PZ.  These lenses are generally considered mediocre - I have had every one, sold the 16 (since cropping for it is pretty redundant with 24 on FF) and returned the 75 after verifying that it didn't fix the autofocus lag I was getting on a manual mount Leica lens.  The whole point of those DJI lenses (except the zoom) is that they are very light weight and designed to be aerodynamic - I use them when mounting the R4D on a car.  I like the 17-28, but it's really a focal length that basically screams "use me on a gimbal" and would have everybody instantly demanding a 24-70 ASAP.

There two third parties who have made a small number of lenses for the mount, the most interesting being Viltrox who have a set of f/1.8 lenses.    This would put them in the position of having to play huge catch-up on lenses since everybody else has a many years-long head start and it'll be a major uphill fight to get third parties like Sigma to make lenses for it, given the lack of market penetration.

So it makes perfect sense that DJI would release a new camera using a mount that they already support and offer on their cinema camera.  That or that their cinema camera would just support the mount system for the R4D and all of the mounts that go with it.

[MrSMW]

40 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

So it makes perfect sense that DJI would release a new camera using a mount that they already support and offer on their cinema camera.  That or that their cinema camera would just support the mount system for the R4D and all of the mounts that go with it.

Exactly. We live in a world where component and platform sharing becomes increasingly the norm.

IMO, if DJI were to release a FF mirrorless and try making that fly (not literally, - they have other products that do that) with their own tiny range of lenses, good luck with that, but it would be a recipe for disaster.

E Mount is dead so yes, using older lenses etc is all well and good, but Canon are all in now on RF.

And to truly compete against the likes of Canon/Nikon/Sony/Lumix, it almost certainly needs to be a hybrid rather than a pure cinema camera.

DJI already have strong links with Lumix, - the S1RII and Ronin 4D share a sensor (not officially stated but the general consensus is it is) and are already in the L Mount system, so a bit of a no-brainer.

But then maybe the the whole DJI mirrorless camera is just a fantasy...

[Snowfun]

12 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

E Mount is dead

Is it? 

[eatstoomuchjam]

13 minutes ago, Snowfun said:

Is it?

Willing to bet that was a typo and should have said "EF mount."