Fav AI outcome out there...

[Emanuel]

Here is an impressive series of snacks:

https://www.youtube.com/@CommonHub/videos

In this case, MidJourney, Runway ML e ElevenLabs have been used according to the sources found:

 

 

 

[BTM_Pix]

My favourite AI outcome would be for it to fuck right off.

[Emanuel]

5 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

My favourite AI outcome would be for it to fuck right off.

Well, I understand and even second such input (how to not praise such resistent standpoint BTW?), for some reason you don't find in the title up there "My fav" but only "Fav"... let alone the expression "out there" too -- followed by those three dots aka ellipsis ; ) however, I think these tools are just arriving to stay, I guess whether we like it or not. 

We have to admit this development (not exactly a synonym of creation or the word 'art' would have been added) is impressive, no matter how sensible we are to the presence of this controversial level of arsenal. 

Can it be a PITA? Oh, in all likelihood...

Better to see these implements as they are or can be, handy toolset for mere creative refinement when applied in good hands, no less (not everywhere and anywhere) and six hours of work for this sample, as due:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16HdVQ9Acj/?mibextid=wwXIfr

 

IMHO the more we can juxtapose -- the right word, the more we hit the home run...

 

I simply hate the current hollywood Marvel trend and alike, they actually are destroying the art of motion picture. The remaining part left is trying to get a better idea how make it at bright side. The more many-sided we can face it as multiple layers of instruments we're able to add to the orchestra. 

A bit like distribution windows when the streaming is placing people outside the big screen and the social/aesthetic experience of the movie theatre. At a certain point, can cinema (aka the art of) be considered dead or sorta like the painting when photography popped up? ;- )

 

- EAG

[Geoff_L]

Cool, one step closer to completely unburden us, humans, from all those unnecessary skills of ours.

[filmmakereu]

20 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Better to see these implements as they are or can be, handy toolset for mere creative refinement when applied in good hands, no less (not everywhere and anywhere) and six hours of work for this sample, as due:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16HdVQ9Acj/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Incredible piece!

[BTM_Pix]

On 5/4/2025 at 10:02 AM, Emanuel said:

I think these tools are just arriving to stay, I guess whether we like it or not. 

I don’t really agree with “if you can’t beat them, join them” attitude to stuff like this.

Being a right wing imbecile is very much on the rise but it doesn’t mean we should just fall into line with it.

AI should be used for taking away mundanity like doing the dishes and laundry from our lives to free us up to do the fun and creative stuff not steal that from us.

On 5/4/2025 at 10:02 AM, Emanuel said:

We have to admit this development (not exactly a synonym of creation or the word 'art' would have been added) is impressive

I’ve got admiration for whoever’s work was used to “train” this but only contempt for those who are facilitating and grifting on the blatant theft of original work.

On 5/4/2025 at 10:02 AM, Emanuel said:

I simply hate the current hollywood Marvel trend and alike, they actually are destroying the art of motion picture

Do you not see that these tools that you are espousing will only make that situation immeasurably worse ?

This will literally give these people the ability to say “yeah just make that last one again with a slight variation and set in a different location” and churn this shit out even faster and with waaayyyy more profitability than they do now ?

[Emanuel]

4 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I don’t really agree with “if you can’t beat them, join them” attitude to stuff like this.

Being a right wing imbecile is very much on the rise but it doesn’t mean we should just fall into line with it.

AI should be used for taking away mundanity like doing the dishes and laundry from our lives to free us up to do the fun and creative stuff not steal that from us.

I’ve got admiration for whoever’s work was used to “train” this but only contempt for those who are facilitating and grifting on the blatant theft of original work.

Do you not see that these tools that you are espousing will only make that situation immeasurably worse ?

This will literally give these people the ability to say “yeah just make that last one again with a slight variation and set in a different location” and churn this shit out even faster and with waaayyyy more profitability than they do now ?

I can't say I disagree with you, on the opposite. I just try to be as neutral as possible. Placing my opinion out of the equation. It doesn't depend on my wish a lot of stuff. AI is only another small portion of it I become used to since ever.

This doesn't mean any endorsement. Let alone for copyright purposes. AI will only bring challenges for the subject matter. Is this a concern? Yes, too. We can't do anything but face it. Why should we leave the idea to safeguard legit copyright? Of course, not! This presence even increases the need to protect it more than ever. Who knows bringing more chances of copyright infringement for getting a fair compensation from? : P Strictly seen from a profit POV... So, what can seem bitter, may end upside down -- I will say it again, in good hands.

The same for the toolkit. I am against guns in wrong hands -- I take the example though. They can save a lot of different and crucial or critical aspects with positive handling, no less. Even useful/helpful at times. It's not the instrument itself but THE hand behind to pull the trigger...

A lot of people here are used to infer action cameras are plain crap, as for instance... I'd rather take any capture device as promising cinematic experience. Well, not all of them : D but the last upgrade for sure when not old rigs! I think that's what a 8mm/16mm background or analogue video or old DV formats have brought up to here before the digital REDvolution.

A bit like almost everything in life (not all the time for anything or anyone whatsoever, anyways, the orange man is the fine example... when zero tolerance applies or is called for ; ) I usually tend to reject the standpoint to see the things B&W : )

 

I guess this won’t apply to everyone in this industry or business, or to all people interested in the various crafts and trades involved. But as a film producer and filmmaker, reading what Clayton Jacobson wrote about his experience* with a mix of Midjourney, Photoshop, and Runway (Gen-4), I can only fully empathise with and feel committed to his thoughts and approach to such a bloody toolset:

 

«Another dance with the devil. An Ai test this time playing with emotion and screen direction.

Testing how close i can get Ai to adhere to direction of performance. Ain’t nowhere near as satisfying as directing real actors and being surprised and delighted with their invention on set.

But I can see this being useful for possible background or crowd scenes behind an actual live performance or near impossible action or dangerous scenes where you wouldn’t want a real actor to be placed in danger. Integrating these techniques with trad film making will be a game changer rather than the all or nothing approach.

For the record these tests aren’t just prompts there is a lot of set up and shifting between different platforms to get something even remotely usable. But I won’t lie as a creative - having an idea and seeing a result in hours rather than years is exciting.

The average feature film takes 8-15 years to go from idea to audience let that sink in. After Kenny was released I spent 15 years trying to get the gatekeepers interested in my next project and it never happened. The industry is built to say NO 99% of the time AI says yes to me Constantly. For now I’m enjoying the freedom and sandbox joy of it all.

A few interesting projects in the pipeline…»

source

 

* That aforementioned link posted above came from a partner in crime with me since 1998 and with three feature movies already distributed worldwide in our back... (EAG :- )

[EduPortas]

On 5/4/2025 at 1:58 AM, Emanuel said:

Here is an impressive series of snacks:

https://www.youtube.com/@CommonHub/videos

In this case, MidJourney, Runway ML e ElevenLabs have been used according to the sources found:

For a 20 second ad filled with 1 second or less shots this could work.

For a full-featured movie no. We are still a ways away from realism. The uncanny valley is brutal. And I'm talking purely about the visuals. The sound just comes through as very fake. So bad sound and mediocre visuals = AI fail.

On the bright side, it's really clear they used the movie Cleopatra (1963) for their AI teaching-learning. I actually wanted to see the old Hollywood mega production during one or two of those shots.

[Emanuel]

4 hours ago, EduPortas said:

For a 20 second ad filled with 1 second or less shots this could work.

For a full-featured movie no. We are still a ways away from realism. The uncanny valley is brutal. And I'm talking purely about the visuals. The sound just comes through as very fake. So bad sound and mediocre visuals = AI fail.

On the bright side, it's really clear they used the movie Cleopatra (1963) for their AI teaching-learning. I actually wanted to see the old Hollywood mega production during one or two of those shots.

Absolutely. If poorly used, it will look like complete crap. This technology should remain a pure add-on. Otherwise, think of it like an anti-inflammatory drug—it can save your life, but it can also be dangerous, even fatal.

What I appreciate here is the return to the written word. Writing for cinema is coming to life again. Repetition is nonsense—hence the earlier example of Marvel, and similarly with certain stylistic formulas.

I’m not aware of Nuri Bilge Ceylan’s engagement with AI. He is clearly the Antonioni of today. But he is not Antonioni. Yet you’ll find Antonioni’s presence in his cinema, without him being a mere imitator of one of the greatest masters in the history of film. But seen as his inheritor. Both can achieve equal greatness, without one diminishing the other. 

No idea if anyone else has ever connected one with the other, but let me make my disclaimer: I certainly won’t be paying ANY royalties to anyone who might have written the same thing before me. For one simple reason—I also NEVER read it anywhere; I actually arrived at this conclusion strictly on my own.*

Among many other influences, of course. It might even seem odd to bring his work into this thread right now, but I’ll say it without fear—I'm truly confident no one will claim there's any AI intervention of whatever influence (yes, this is something else!) wherever else here:

BTW his actress and wife is with no qualification simply amazing not only in my eyes and to my knowledge... She is also a director but above all a writer (Ebru Ceylan), however, her husband has a lot of him in her work too (as actress in that role in specific as for instance) without ever overshadowing (or killing in the context of our discussion along this thread ; ) her gift. Both as sorta combo shine even further. A bit the way I see AI can work out in good hands ; )

I will leave here an example. I asked to ChatGPT about my English here.

The result:

"By the way, his actress and wife is—without exaggeration—simply incredible, not only in my eyes but in my understanding. She’s also a director, but above all a writer (Ebru Ceylan). Yet her husband’s influence is undeniably present in her work too, without ever overshadowing or diminishing her gift. Together, they shine even brighter—a synergy that, to me, reflects how AI can work beautifully in good hands."

I took that "a" (before "director" and writer") and robbed the word "overshadowing" I have applied in my text. I stand with my original text. Should I feel have I stolen to anyone and pay royalties for that? ; )

 

https://www.nuribilgeceylan.com/

https://www.nuribilgeceylan.com/photography/earlyphotographs1.php

https://www.nuribilgeceylan.com/photography/turkeycinemascope1.php

https://www.nuribilgeceylan.com/photography/inanotherplace1.php

https://www.nuribilgeceylan.com/photography/formyfathertexteng.php

BTW part II, nature is a bastard... His father's face looks like the filmmaker himself! Maybe some time machine over there? LOL ; ) Well, straight on topic, for some good reason I'd like to end this post of mine with this line ;- )

 

* Funny, out of curiosity, I asked to ChatGPT with this paragraph if someone else had said the same in the past, here's the answer:

«Regarding your comparison between Nuri Bilge Ceylan and Michelangelo Antonioni, you're in good company. Ceylan has acknowledged Antonioni as a significant influence on his work. For instance, in an interview, Ceylan mentioned that Antonioni's films like L'Eclisse, L'Avventura, and La Notte inspired him during his formative years as a filmmaker. Critics have also noted the stylistic and thematic parallels between the two directors, particularly in films like Climates, where Antonioni's influence is evident in the exploration of alienation and the use of visual composition. Sources: SCREENVILLE + erajournal.co.uk

So, while you're not the first to draw this connection, your perspective adds to the appreciation of Ceylan's work and its cinematic lineage.»

 

On your quote Eduardo, can that Cleopatra (1963) be taken as influence too instead? I am currently literally drinking every LIFE magazine work out here:

https://books.google.pt/books/about/LIFE.html?id=R1cEAAAAMBAJ&redir_esc=y

Should I stop to do it?