JulioD Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 You’re making claims that have actually already been tried. Which if you had a clue you would already know. Youre not the first genius to think of this. Peter Jackson made a HFR film with a 270 degree shutter at 48fps for exactly the flawed logic you presented. In his own words… “Changing the shutter angle affects the amount of motion blur captured during movement. Reducing the shutter angle gives you the stroby (or jerky) “Saving Private Ryan” look. However, we’re going the other way, shooting at 48 fps with a 270 degree shutter angle. This gives the 48 fps a lovely silky look, and creates a very pleasing look at 24 fps as well. “ Except it didn’t work and was universally hated in its HFR versions. Oh and because you won’t know how to do the maths, that means a 1/64th of a second shutter speed. Its not about motion blur. It still tanked. Next! mercer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Putting taste aside, I just don't understand why you would shoot this way? Unless you are a true run and gun, video shooter, shooting auto because you're trying to get as many shots as possible in a short amount of time or you need to fudge your shutter speed to get a little extra light... exposure. Cinematography is difficult enough, so why muck around with tried and true conventions when you can spend that time with lighting or sound or art/set design? Maybe the OP just wants to "discuss" theory and that's fine, but the argumentative nature suggests otherwise. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 We've been pretty euphemistic in our reaction towards the quality of a lot of 60p posts. Some were insulting a master of cinematography or referring to people in underwear. This thread is a showcase of pampering gone wrong and learning and insights gone lost. @zlfan mercer and JulioD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Master Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 1/24/2024 at 8:59 AM, zlfan said: they never accept and will never provide scientific evidence why 24p is sacred. I think it's mainly tradition and what people are used to. Kind of like asking why more people like red than blue or why some people prefer LP sound. ghostwind and SRV1981 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioD Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 It’s not sacred. it’s just what audiences continue to like. If it wasn’t, then geeze wouldn’t there be a lot more HFR content? There’s nothing stopping you from shooting at any frame rate you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlfan Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 One of my crop mood videos got voted on YouTube. I think the key factors are the color and the good enough resolution. It was about landscape. I used shutter speeds from 1/48 to 1/2000, because I want to have a small package and don't want to have a nd filter in a matt box or some vari nd. I don't see significant effects of the shutter speed on the landscape shots. Here is my take: The so called magic 24p motion blur actually has negative effects on fast actions, no matter if the codec is weak, or strong, or uncompressed raw; it has negative effects on slow motions, if the codec is weak; it does not have significant effects on landscape. Even if the magic 24p motion blur exists, it has very limited application scenarios, maybe in drama, or soap opera, etc, for talking heads or dialogues, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 22 pages on... and nothing has been learned. mercer, eatstoomuchjam, PannySVHS and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowfun Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 9 hours ago, zlfan said: Here is my take: I think we've got it now. You make a point which has a certain, albeit limited, legitimacy: high speed sport or YouTube viewers. Others - and possibly a more discerning audience - disagree. I'm not sure I understand why you keep repeating yourself. A weak argument gains no strength by simply recycling it ad nauseam (and I accept that an argument gains no strength by including latin phrases...) Time to move on perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioD Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 15 hours ago, zlfan said: Even if the magic 24p motion blur exists, it has very limited application scenarios, maybe in drama, or soap opera, etc, for talking heads or dialogues, etc. Drama is a limited application…. Right PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwind Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 11 hours ago, kye said: 22 pages on... and nothing has been learned. We hope it happens on page 24. PannySVHS, solovetski, kye and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 @ghostwind page 60p then. Someone with an appetite for "better" entertainment will then demand 120p. So page 120.😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlfan Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 one of my go pro 12 videos with a lot of moving shots got multiple up votes and highest viewing rate on my channel. good stabilization with 60 p beats 24p no stabilization day by day. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 6 hours ago, zlfan said: one of my go pro 12 videos with a lot of moving shots got multiple up votes and highest viewing rate on my channel. good stabilization with 60 p beats 24p no stabilization day by day. I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe if you switch to creating content with an interchangeable lens camera, learning lighting and blocking, then you will be able to attract a viewership with a taste for more cinematic images? I hear that once the algorithm has pigeon-holed you in one genre it's hard to change because you have to break out of the echo-chamber you're currently in. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Let them stand in their beach. The most unique cinematic is the less competition we have... LOL : ) BTW... MAKE-BELIEVERS will have national release in Japan... Ikebukuro Cinema Rosa on April 13th. https://www.cinemarosa.net/lateshow.htm 〒171-0021 Tokyo, Toshima City, Nishiikebukuro, 1 Chome−37−12 1F https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11530452/ PannySVHS and eatstoomuchjam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 in Tokyo: https://www.google.com/maps/place//data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x60188d5e7c59b97f:0x444ba64953c2a2b?sa=X&ved=1t:8290&ictx=111 https://www.shirokumafilms.com/ PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 14 hours ago, Emanuel said: Let them stand in their beach. The most unique cinematic is the less competition we have... LOL : ) BTW... MAKE-BELIEVERS will have national release in Japan... Ikebukuro Cinema Rosa on April 13th. https://www.cinemarosa.net/lateshow.htm 〒171-0021 Tokyo, Toshima City, Nishiikebukuro, 1 Chome−37−12 1F https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11530452/ Congratulations!! Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 3 hours ago, kye said: Congratulations!! Thanks but the compliments must be addressed to Kenjo McCurtain to begin with. "The man" behind this piece of work. I've just tried to serve of a little help : ) There's team work, of course. So, everyone also has a role to play there for sure. This is the outgrowth of a collective effort without doubt. To each their own, anyways :- ) eatstoomuchjam, kye and PannySVHS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Hehe, I found it. Well done. Congratulations to you, the director, cast and team! @Emanuel Emanuel and kye 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlfan Posted April 8 Author Share Posted April 8 I set my epic-x mysterium-x to 5k 60p 2.40 5:1. I used 5k 24p 2.0 3:1. I don't see significant improvement over r1mx 4.5k 24p 2.40 7.5:1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 26 minutes ago, zlfan said: I set my epic-x mysterium-x to 5k 60p 2.40 5:1. I used 5k 24p 2.0 3:1. I don't see significant improvement over r1mx 4.5k 24p 2.40 7.5:1. Yeah. Considering those cameras both have quite high-end images, it's not surprising there wasn't a significant improvement. Perhaps focus on something other than the SOOC image? What films do you make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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