Avenger 2.0

12 minutes ago, anton.zimin@gmail.com said:

Well, interesting to know if the timer Is integrated  in the processor or it’s a separate unit and if it is possible to cheat it physically. 

Since every chip costs additional money, I'm 100% sure it's in the main processor as a software algorithm. 

53 minutes ago, Asmundma said:

A lot of people are is pissed about the R5 crippling, I could understand if you don’t have a Cx00 camera. If you have, your investment would be more or less lost. Thats the reason Canon did this firmware crippling. Actually it make sense, like it or not. So please stop this stupid arguing about the marketing, Use your logical sense Then this is 100% as expected. 

They should have been honest about that upfront. Give the 8k and hq recordings a 5 or 10 min limit and not some fake overheating timer.

Maybe Canon will sell one time overheating timer reset voucher codes in the future 😂

10 minutes ago, David Bowgett said:

The most mind-blowing thing about all of this is that they've apparently managed to create an imaging processor that can handle 8k30 RAW and 4k120 while maintaining reasonable temperatures, at a time when Fujifilm, Panasonic and Sony only have processors capable of 4K60 (and Nikon don't even have anything capable of that), but have crippled it to the point of near-uselessness.

Okay, maybe it's not really that mind-blowing when you consider Canon's history, but still...

Don't forget they will recycle this processor and sensor until at least 2030. So over the course of 10 years they will slightly uncripple it 🤣

2 hours ago, Mandalorian said:

I suspect that even with all the negative publicity due to the R5/R6 "overheating" being found out to be mostly fake, Canon is still not going to "fix" the problem since Canon always wanted the higher end video options of the R5/R6 to be crippled.

Sure, they will probably release a firmware that will modestly increase the record times for the higher end video modes so that they can at least pretend that the issue is "fixed", and they will probably spout some line like "Well, we need the record limits to prevent sensor damage, blah, blah, blah..."

But the higher end video options will always be crippled on the R5/R6 since they have RF Cine cameras and 8K Cine cameras coming out soon that need to sell, and they sure as hell don't want the R5/R6 eating into those sales at all.

Indeed, they will never acknowledge the overheating timer. They will release a firmware update with will give us like 15% longer recording time and 30% quicker heat recovery and call it a day.

Now all needed to do is install a micro reset switch on the side of the R5 you can push with a paper clip to interrupt the backup battery. 🤣

6 hours ago, User said:

Weld that battery in place for the next batch?

They did that before. On the C100/C300/etc the backup battery is welded in place on the most inaccessible location you could imagine (requires complete disassembly) .  Took me like half a day to change that one.

6 hours ago, User said:

Yes. But if Canon didn't do this, it could be your last camera purchase. 

Will certainly be my last Canon purchase. Limiting features or record time was one thing, but crippling with fake overheating is borderline criminal!

5 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

Ah, I see what you did there... never buy a Canon ‘DSLR’ again, leaving the mirrorless door ajar 😘

At least those DSLRs didn't overheat and were reliable for professionals. Why did Canon not just release the R5 with canon like video specs (like 4k line skipping) and no  4khq and 8k? This overheating thing will damage their mirrorless brand because Canon always stood for reliability before.

1 hour ago, Nikkor said:

I don't understand why people still are so obsessed with canon, there are a thousand of other camera brands. Maybe it's time to let go.

If you want good AF and full frame, you really only have Canon, Nikon and Sony.

36 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

I honestly don't know how the Japanese engineers sleep at night. The loss of face both publicly and with other engineers must make them reconsider working for Canon at some point.

Maybe electronic design was outsourced to China and software to India 🤣

4 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

But I think Canon is going to just ignore it and push out more RF products and pivot by saying the R5 and R6 were photography only cameras (please forget about the all the video spec hype we did). And then the resale value of the R5 will tank because there will be so many on the second hand market.

Indeed they will ignore it and just push out more RF products. The R5 resale value will not tank anytime soon. Just look at the 5DIV, it was released at a high price with unusable crop 4k MJPEG. Maybe it was not as successful as the 5DII and 5DIII, but still sold a lot and they never fixed the video side.

I think that the EXIF data is indeed the temperature of the sensor and not the CPU.
I guess they didn't add a heatsink or thermal pads to the CPU because they know they can limit heat by software design (overheating protection).
The real question is, why does it take 2 hours to cool down (and doesn't ambient temperature play a role) and why can you do 4 hours while recording external without the overheating protection triggering.
To me it looks like they deliberately designed the camera hardware (no heatsink) and software wise (overheating timers) to limit the 4k and 8k recordings.

2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

And do we need to put it in the damn oven before we get a response from Canon?

Would be fun to see the exact same overheat limit in a 200°C oven as a 4°C fridge 🤣

6 minutes ago, gatopardo said:

Maybe the only thing that the Tilta device does is to inform the firmware by nfc or blutooth that it is there. And the cripple clock is disabled 🙂

🤣 Who knows, and the fan is just there for show 😋

What a mess Canon made. If they wanted to protect their cinema line, they should have just put a 5-min time limit on the 8k and 4khq modes instead of an overheat timer. That way it was at least usable as a b-cam. Now you have an unreliable piece of expensive junk you cannot trust at all.

57 minutes ago, nickname said:

What if the recording restrictions are also part of a deal with RED? Allow internal compressed raw but not in a way that it could replace a monstro? 

To make sure the R5 can only be used as a crash cam on set. The R5 has pretty good specs for a crash cam. Use only once to record 15-min RAW video in compact form factor. No cooldown recovery needed as it will crash anyway.

How is the R6 1080p? Line skipping or oversampled?

Will not do any upgrades at the moment, only downgrades 😁

Since all weddings and events are cancelled anyway, those new investments are laying gathering dust at least another year.

Sold already a lot of gear, only keeping what I really need.

But got myself a GH2 dirt cheap, just to experiment a bit with this old beast.

On 8/10/2020 at 8:03 AM, IronFilm said:

Oh EF is a "dead mount" too!

If they keep crippling their new camera's with overheating timers, the RF mount might even die before the EF does 😬

12 hours ago, MeanRevert said:

It looks like some are 4:2:0 and some are 4:2:2, however.

I thought I saw something like H264 is 8-bit 4:2:0 and H265 is 10-bit 4:2:2.

1 hour ago, Emanuel said:

Let's hope for a firmware update or mod.

Still waiting for Magic Lantern on 5DIV and EOS R. Don't get your hopes up too high.

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

And how in any way would a mirrorless camera cannibalise sales of a $15,000 full frame C500?

Indeed, they kind of killed their 5D & R5 series for a lot of professionals. I know a lot of wedding photographers that will not buy it because it overheats and is not reliable enough. A lot of them do photo and video and are going/staying with Sony or Panasonic. They will certainly not buy the Cxxx series or RF lenses now.

If they would just have limited the 8k and 4k hq recording to a fixed max time like say even 2 minutes instead of an overheating timer, it would have been usable as a b-cam.

The PCB has a rechargeable backup battery, so if there are any timers (which I'm not sure of at the moment), removing the battery will not make any difference as the backup battery keeps the date/time and any other timers counting. A good way to test is remove that backup battery first!