Avenger 2.0

52 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

There is the possibility they will piss off their cinema customers.

If that's the case, they should have left 4KHQ and 8K out of the camera. Now they piss off the cinema customers for including it and the pro's that want to use it but get the overheating. They should have put this limited 8k in a consumer type 90D camera.

Maybe Canon made it overheat on purpose to keep us talking about the R5/R6. You know, bad press is better than no press 🤣

Is it possible they never intended to release those big video specs and decided to do that late when the hardware was already in production. As like the hardware (and heat management) was only made for continues line skipping 4k and they later decided to also do HQ 4K and 8K?

28 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

Seems the screen on has more impact than the card.....

Also EVF or only the LCD screen? Maybe the EVF heats the body.

9 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Without "overheat protection" turned on in menus, it basically cooks itself doing nothing.

Why didn't they enable this by default? Sounds like this solves some problems (like not being able to shoot video after taking pictures).

2 minutes ago, Kino said:

Engineering guy: "I shot an entire wedding on the R5 in 1080P and it didn't overheat":

Like I said, this stuff just writes itself . . .

🤣

Buying an expensive 8k camera to shoot awful and soft 1080p 😋

Better get yourself a second hand C100 or R for for less then 1/3 of the price.

So just about 1h of RAW recordings was stolen?

7 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Nope, been a bit of a nightmare. First quarterly lost since they started reporting (2001). Image service down the drain. EOS R5 & R6 defective. Coronavirus. What next? If it isn't a wakeup call for them I don't know what is 🙂

Yeah indeed. But why did they rush? They could have delayed the R5/R6 for another year, giving them more then enough time to solve all problems.
Next year it would still be the only consumer/prosumer 8k camera with internal raw. Now people will just buy the sony/panasonic/etc instead.

8 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Tilta seemed to get the fan out suspiciously early!

Who knows what they may have heard from insiders early on?

Firmware is not usually grounds for a recall though. Hardware adjustments are.

Maybe they did notice the bug or the overheating too late (after production began) but decided to release it anyway.
They were fairly quick to post those max record times before overheating. Maybe they thought they just could get away with it.

Going to buy myself a used EOS R. Low price, no overheating and perfect B-cam for my C100.

21 minutes ago, hoodlum said:

Canon R5 and R6 issues are in part related to severe bug with LSI not being able to lower frequency and enter sleep state where it is required. Chip is also unable to turn of parts that are not required now.

Problem can be with actual chip design with significant defect that require few millions USD to fix and make new masks."

If this was the case, it should really have been detected way before mass production.
It may be possible there is a bug in the final firmware that wasn't in pre-production firmware.
But how would one explain the 2 hour cooldown required? That is the real problem and it is unrelated to any chip design.
If it would cooldown in 5 to 10 minutes, nobody would be speaking about the overheating like they are now.

Canon just killed their mirrorless 😋 Time to release that cancelled 5D V now with it's reliable optical viewfinder 😎

39 minutes ago, ade towell said:

There are other makers of camera...

Not really the time in the current covid crisis to jump camera maker and buy besides the body, all new lenses and flashes.

I think they pushed technology too far this time. It's a lot of experimental technology (8k, ibis, ...) into a professional body. Normally they release that technology first into consumer products (like 70d dpaf) to see if it works long time, and then move it to their more professional products (5d4, 1d x, etc). Now they felt confident they could do directly into the professional series and they created an unreliable replacement for their 5D4. I think professionals will stay another cycle with their DSLR now and if they are smart they will release a 5D5 to not completely loose those customers.

5 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

That's wild that it overheats shooting just photos. 

What a disaster! The 5-series is mostly used by professionals that can't afford to wait for the camera to cool down.
Just imagine doing a wedding and it overheating 😬 

At least the DSLR series is still reliable. Might permanently damage the mirrorless series for Canon if they do not do a recall.

Looking forward to seeing the first real cooling mods. Remove the back plastic behind the LCD, put a real heatsink and fan and keep it cool enough for unlimited 8k recording 😎

17 minutes ago, Tim Sewell said:

I must admit the main thing that was attracting me (the XF-100 more than the XA-10) was that it's relatively affordable and has 4:2:2 recording, which I'd find far more useful than 4K. There's no requirement to cut with the C100. What I'm really looking for is a camcorder that will give me that colour space, that I can get reasonably cheaply, for use on holidays etc where I don't want to lug a bunch of gear around. I have an EM1 mkii, which is lovely, but I've found more and more that I just don't particularly enjoy that form-factor for shooting video. Any suggestions you could make would be most welcome, @Avenger 2.0!

Certainly not a bad camera the XF100. Just the lack of ND and use of CF cards was a turndown for me.

7 minutes ago, Amazeballs said:

Why there is no heat think in the first place is a huge clusterfuckup by itself. NO HEAT THINK! Who did design that camera?! I can understand Sony, who put in the effort to mitigate overheating - efficient heat think, 12 mp sensor, etc. They could not make the camera bigger and put a fan, cos of their philosphy OK, thats not perfect. But I dont see any excuse for Canon. 

Maybe it was designed to do some line-skipping 4K at 30fps and management suddenly told it should also do 8K, 4K HQ, RAW and slomo?
Maybe they thought they could get away with the overheating as Sony always did in the past?
Maybe the heatsinks where out of stock due to Covid-19?
Maybe they just want to sell you the upcoming EF-RF cooling adapter for an aditional $499?

28 minutes ago, Tim Sewell said:

I'm actually considering picking up a used XA-10 or XF-100 for if I ever get to go on a holiday again so that I can get nice video without lugging my C100/Ninja 2/SmallHD/EVF monstrosity around.

Just sold my XA-10. Used it for interviews, but in low light it wasn't that good. Not sure why you would buy it if you don't need the XLR inputs. The touchscreen is resistive and will annoy you. My M50 b-cam had better quality and video options and is cheaper to find. The XF-100 at least has all the physical buttons, but the sensor is the same as the XA-10, so not that great in low light. The C100 is a whole different level on image quality and low light. Couldn't even mix is with the other two as the image quality difference was very obvious.

In a lot of places over here the Canon EOS R is sold out, so it might just be a global Canon stock issue and no recall.

1 hour ago, sev7en said:

It looks like the Titanic...

At least the iceberg and ice water would cool the R5/R6 down 🤣

Wonder how many faulty R5/R6 units we will have in a couple of years from all the excessive overheating.
Certainly never going to buy such a unit second hand. Would be an expensive brick.

8 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

Short of a redesign, how do they even fix this? What a disaster. 

Indeed, any fix will just be a better heatsink/firmware bandage that will just allow a couple of additional recording minutes. Unless it gets a complete redesign it will keep overheating.

Too late, damage is already done. How did they even manage to fuck this up? Was this a rush job? Nobody thought about adding a decent heatsink? Or even test the thing?

But will it also overheat while taking pictures all day?
Imagine doing a wedding and taking like 10k pictures and using the camera for 12+ hours in the summer.
Can Canon guarantee me the camera will not overheat in photo mode? 
Looks to me like it might even stop working in photo mode when pushing it...

https://www.canonrumors.com/patent-active-cooling-adapter-for-the-rf-mount/

Sneaky Canon 🤣  Create an issue that doesn't need to exist and then sell the solution separately.

1 hour ago, PabloB said:

Tony and Chelsea Nothrup did a wildlife shoot of just stills and the battery died in an hour! The R5 is DOA

Looks like professionals need a 5D V after all. The Canon mirrorless aren't yet ready for professional use!