Avenger 2.0

15 hours ago, John Matthews said:

Can't overheating be somewhat fixed in firmware? I believe Sony had this problem with several of their cameras. It might not be "safe", but it might be cheaper to repair the ones that break than recall the whole lot and go back to the drawing board.

You can always stretch the safety limits. But your R5/R6 might die or break more quickly (like the 70D motherboards that fried from heat). 

I guess the R5 ii and R6 ii will solve the overheating some day.

20 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:

Maybe drilling some holes in it will resolve the issue. Allthough it wont be weatherproof anymore.

And warranty will certainly be void. Hopefully they will bring out a R5 with cooling fan in the future like panasonic did.

Asked for heatsink and cooling fan integrated into smallrig cage 🤣 However seeing the overheating test Tony did on Youtube, it looks like the (plastic) shell really isolates the inside heat from the outside. Not sure any fan or heatsink at the outside will even do any difference.

4 hours ago, gt3rs said:

In the last 10 years I had 1 card failing (could recover something but not all) on me but I had 3 cameras failing so for me is more important a second camera than writing dual card in parallel. I do switch from 1 card to the other to make sure I don't have all in the same card.  On the R5 the problem is that the card type are different and on SD you don't have full access to all the recording mode. On 1Dx III is easy with two same card type.

Always have a spare body and lenses on a wedding. I understand what you are saying, but it just isn't only a card failing. You can have a camera stolen or just lose a sd card.
I keep one big sd card in the camera and rotate the second sd card (smaller size) often on the wedding day (and keep them on me).
That way you are protected against failure and theft. Had twice a corrupt card and once a camera theft. No failed body's yet.

1 hour ago, Django said:

lol.. I thought that was a photoshop but it’s real! LMAO

https://www.smallrig.com/blog/no-more-concerns-about-the-overheating-of-canon-r5/

It still is a photoshop, but it will become real 😋

Just wonder how you can cool it effectively with a plastic shell in between.
Canon just should have made a accessory you could directly attach to the internal heat-sink.

1 minute ago, Django said:

Or add an Atomos if you absolutely need redundancy on a paid shoot..

Yeah, but not so handy when doing run-and-gun like a wedding.

15 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

He cannot, only 8K RAW in CFExpress and in parallel a 4k proxy (can be 10bit HQ) on the SD. But you cannot write the same video file e.g. 4k 10bit on both cards. Same on 1Dx III.... it is silly imo. 

Okay thanks. Looks like you still need to go the Cxxx route then.

Didn't know the R5 could record video to dual sd cards. Is a first for the 5D series. Nice.

What should I buy for doing 4k with Canon (on a R6 max budget) without overheating? The original R? It has only one SD Card slot, but I guess the R6 only records video to one anyway?

Waiting for the first (after market) mods to appear to keep it cool 😎

Good time to buy a used EOS R. Very cheap and no overheating 😋

Not sure they will sell many R5/R6 units anyway (except rich youtubers) as covid destroyed all jobs over here (wedding, events, etc).

They took a page from Sony's book and went for the overheating cripple.
If you want to do some serious video please buy the Cxxx series 😆

6 hours ago, ajay said:

Everyone is lining up to buy the camera purely based on specs.

Certainly some people are (youtubers, etc), but most people will buy the camera based on their needs. Not sure many professionals need at this moment a new camera. Most will need jobs, because over here all weddings, events, etc are postponed until 2021. But let be honest, 2021 will most likely still not be normal and many jobs may get cancelled all together or postponed even further. 

I have the same problem with my C100 II. It got worse over time and it will stay black now in that position.
Found out it has to do with the "rotation sensor" inside the LCD (that triggers a screen mirror when rotating it).
It will not detect anymore that it is rotated and will think it is in closed position (thus turning off the LCD).
I think there is some kind of micro switch that is triggered with rotating that has wear off inside the hinge.
One of these days I'm going to open up the LCD panel to try and repair this issue.

4 minutes ago, noone said:

I do think it will mean a few more second hand R, RP and Sony A7# type cameras available second hand.

Would love that. However I'm not sure at the moment for video the R and RP are even worth it. 4k is great it you can live with the crop. 1080p is still soft as it was 10 years ago unless you also shoot 1080p in crop mode.

1 minute ago, Django said:

I call this "leak" total BS..

Indeed. Maybe some youtubers will buy it for this price. But almost no professional will with the current economic situation.

13 minutes ago, rawshooter said:

According to a leak in Australia, it seems as if the price of the R5 will be $6,792 USD... 

Source: https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/05/15/canon-r5-price-listed-in-australia/

Price looks too high for me, this is more a R1 price. Maybe it's a trick. Leak a higher price and then sell for a lower (but still high) price and everyone is happy. Don't forget the 5D4 was $3,499 at launch and it was a high price at the moment. Personally I think they will sell it for $3,499 - $3,999 max.

Looks like they didn't test the camera enough before releasing it.
Interested to see how they resolve this. Maybe a firmware update (lower threshold) to mask it? Recall?

2 hours ago, Super8 said:

I don't think it's delayed until next year.  I personally think it will be released in the fall.

Not the Canon R5, the Olympics 😋

13 hours ago, Super8 said:

My Canon source says the original plan was to release the R5 in time for the 2020 Olympics. 

If they delay it yet another year, just maybe sony has their A7S3 released by then (or not) 🤣

1 hour ago, Django said:

How useful is 8K? Nobody knows as nobody here has probably ever shot in it.

I guess it is only useful for select projects that require extensive image manipulation.

Don't see myself doing a complete wedding in raw or even prores.

1 hour ago, Super8 said:

It will be interesting to see what Black Magic does later this year.  With the price drop of the P6K you have to expect Black Magic to drop a new camera in the fall. 

Indeed. But not sure a 8k fullframe image sensor is available with those specs at the moment.
More likely we will see a 6k fullframe camera from them. But then again, who really needs 8k at the moment?

1 hour ago, FranciscoB said:

It's not about the 10bit. Sony said they're going to exceed expectations with a7s 3 and to do so, I'm not seeing how they're not going to hurt fx9 sales. A camera that looks to be great that maxes out at 4k 60p. Off course there's a lot more to the fx9 than just video specs but still... 

Canon thought the same. But then everyone switched to Sony, Panasonic, Blackmagic, ... instead of buying the Cxxx series for video.
Sony will have the same problem if they keep crippling their camera's. People will just as easily switch back to Canon.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Yeah but if you look at original C300, specs were capped at 1080p 8bit, pretty weak, and 1D C was 4K, larger sensor, image quality thrashed it... Did it stop the C300 being a run-away success with commercial videographers? No. And same thing now, if you look at EOS R5 specs vs C300 III, in some ways they are ahead of even the FX9 and certainly way ahead of FS7 II. You know what though? Most pros don't care. They want the extra features and ergonomics offered by the larger pro cameras, and of course they want to LOOK like pros when they turn up for work. Sad but true

  Yeah so true. Or buy a big rig (matte box, follow focus, evf, etc) to put in your small camera. Same effect 🤣

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

The strange thing is, they don't seem to have the technology ready to give it us yet.

Indeed, if you look at the photos side they are doing a bit of a Canon as well. A6400 / A6600 hardly an exciting step forward for stills. The A7R IV was more evolution than revolution too.

I think it is probably a cycle all companies go through, especially if the have pushed hard for a long time to establish decent sales, and then they milk it until the next big step.

If it wasn't for Sony, Panasonic, Blackmagic, ... I'm pretty sure the Canon R5 wouldn't have had the specs it has now.
Canon needs to succeed in the mirrorless market to stay in photography and video business.
The Canon R5 will get them the mirrorless marketshare and RF lens sales they need.

Sony, like everyone, was caught off guard and likely doesn't have the processor chip or tech at the moment.
Maybe they will quickly throw some incomplete product together that require future firmware updates to compete.