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9 minutes ago, mercer said:

I think there are some questions regarding the P4K that I guess I wasn’t aware of... is there a 2x crop in 1080p Raw? If so, then that’s a 4X crop of FF? Or is it a 2x crop instead of the 1.89x crop? I assume the latter because the former would be ridiculous, unless I could get my D-mount lenses to work with it.

You assumed wrong, it's a 4x crop (roughly) compared to Full Frame. How wide do you need your slow-motion shots to be? You don't own an 18mm or something like that?

In raw - yes. In prores it is downsampled 1080p (meaning you get the full sensor width), unless you're shooting 120fps in which case it will be a 2x crop again.

That's my idea as well: Manfrotto has clamps that should easily hold a t5 in place.

44 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

 

I think that's entitlement right there.

Who are these idiots who think they're entitled to read one free blog post after another for years with no advertising, from an indie filmmaker, whilst giving back absolutely nothing in return, worse, slinging a shit ton of hatred my way in my own front room, just at the moment he's feeling really quite down?

Mr. Reid, I don't know you and I won't pretend to understand what you are going through, so please do not take this statement the wrong way. However, when you say you are 'feeling really quite down', do you think that your current mental wellbeing is served by continuing to have this discussion? By arguing (no matter how justified) with people on these forums, your blog and Facebook page (all three of which you seem to hold very dear and personal, something which I understand).

In my opinion you absolutely did the right thing by locking up this thread temporarily, and my advice to you would be to do it again. Why revel in this energy-consuming discussion? I get that you're dissapointed and feel sleighted by Blackmagic's decision no to hand you the camera for early review, something only exacerbated by the fact that the event was in your own home-time. That must have honestly felt like shit. Nonetheless, scratching the wound left by this event (by returning to the discussion over and over again on these forums) might feel satisfying in the short-term, but it is absolutely not conducive to it healing. I suspect you are not gaining any longterm insight or satisfaction by having this discussion in this manner, and even worse, you might be worsening you're already crummy mood because you are now infecting this website with a discussion that 1) will make it harder to take back anything you say in anger because it is now done in a very public way, and 2) taints your very personal project with a negativity that you probably don't want in your life. Finally, in your anger you might end up taking actions or saying things that will end up doing damage to this project (eoshd.com) which you obviously hold so dear to you.

My advice (but hey, who am I) to you would be to give yourself a break - delete the blogpost you made, lock this thread and go for a walk/watch a movie/have a nice dinner with friends. Seriously do anything else for a while instead of having this situation drag you down. When you come back, delete this entire tangent and have this thread be about the Pocket 4K again. If you find Blackmagic's answer to your emails not satisfactory in the future, just don't cover them anymore if it makes you feel better. I just don't believe it is conducive to your wellbeing by dragging the argument into the public (and very ill-informed) sphere.

Hope that all makes sense. Thank you for your passion and thanks for hosting this site.

5 minutes ago, Nikkor said:

That's what they get paid for. Obviously when you buy their cameras and have questions, CMs will be all nice and answer questions, but when you point out how crappy certain camera is, or how stupid it is to release a camera and then not being able to deliver it during a year, they will not like it and go bezerk.

My point is that you will find very little to no employees from other large companies actively answering questions and engaging with their customers on online forums like this. Hell, Blackmagic have their OWN forum where they get raked over the coals pretty badly from time to time, and yet they will always engage with their customers and keep the platform open. I havent seen any Blackmagic employee 'go berserk' on these forums - they might have though, could you give me an example of this happening?

2 minutes ago, Nikkor said:

It seems to me that on this forum Blackmagic Community Managers have always been rude, I remember a few that always go disguised as regular forum users but only post when Blackmagic cameras are mentioned, and get very defensive when pointed at.

 

I think the forum needs new rules, all professional posters have to be recognized, and have to pay to post ?

I think it's pretty amazing how accessible people like Captain Hook have been on this and other forums, it's something you do not see a lot with other camera brands.

1 hour ago, helium said:

With apologies to John Brawley,

I think this looks great by the way!

The .64 only works with full frame lenses but gives you more light and a smaller crop. The .71 works with full frame and aps-c lenses and gives you less light and larger crop when compared to the .64.

However using IR filters on this sensor would have no detrimental effect, right?

You're welcome, although I did get one fact wrong: no gain is applied to the sensor from the ISO 100-1250 range (as opposed to 100-800).

9 minutes ago, majoraxis said:

also because of the lower noise floor st  lower ISOs you could underexpose a bit and bring it back in post, which would compensate for loosing some dr/headroom in the highlights. 

Yeah, but now you are just doing what would happen if you exposed at (let's say) 400 normally, instead of 100. Between ISO 100-800 no gain is applied by the sensor, only the curve is shifted. In raw this doesn't matter, because you CAN underexpose at ISO 100 and just apply the 400 curve without losing anything. However, due to the compression applied by prores (which is pretty good, don't get me wrong), you'll likely have less shadow detail/more noise when you pull up ISO 100 in post to match ISO 400 as opposed to just having shot at ISO 400 to begin with.

3 minutes ago, mercer said:

Has there been any word about IR filtration on these videos?

The guy who shot the Seoul Zoo footage had this to say over on bmcuser:

"I did another shoot yesterday which I'm editing right now. I used Hoya Pro NDs (2-4-6 stops) and I haven't noticed a thing related to IR. Blacks are neutral and clean"

So sounds promising! And yeah, that footage is beautiful.

No the 2x crop is only when shooting raw, Prores is downsampled 4k at no crop.

Hey Alex, I don't think the DNGs weigh anything, but here are the datarates at 30 frames per second:

4096 x 2160
CinemaDNG RAW - 272 MB/s
CinemaDNG RAW 3:1 - 129 MB/s
CinemaDNG RAW 4:1 - 97 MB/s

3840 x 2160
CinemaDNG RAW - 255 MB/s
CinemaDNG RAW 3:1 - 122 MB/s
CinemaDNG RAW 4:1 - 92 MB/s

1920 x 1080 (at a 2x crop)
CinemaDNG RAW - 66 MB/s
CinemaDNG RAW 3:1 - 32 MB/s
CinemaDNG RAW 4:1 - 24 MB/s

Also this is a guy with 275.000 subs, not just a rando. I agree that it is a bit of a strange way to release the footage, compared to the tightly controlled footage of before.

On 8/31/2018 at 2:42 AM, John Brawley said:

I think we're just nostalgic.

 When the Ursa Mini 4.6K first started shipping there were many many threads that were EXACTLY the same as some of the complaints on here....  Users complaining that the UM4.6K didn't have the same mojo / look / feel as the 4K sensor which at that point was in the Production camera, the Ursa and the Ursa mini 4K.

This is a new sensor.  

It has the same chef's in the kitchen, working with new ingredients.

Spend some time with the images, look at the RAWS when they're available and learn to get the most from it.  THEN come back and post about what you like or don't like.  But grading from a downloaded 264 and then writing it off as being inferior is a bit premature and simplistic.

JB

 

Great discussion of the Pocket4k. Maybe just PM each other?

...That looks like it could be the Pocket 4k? Reflected at an angle with a big lens with a screw-on ND on the front. I don't see what the problem is.

I don't dislike the overall look you went for (I actually personally like a bit cooler skintones) but I do think everything starts to look a bit waxy and weird. Might have to do with grading 8 bit footage. Overall I think Brawleys footage would be a much better neutral starting point.

1.9x crop is the number I've seen thrown around the most.

I personally believe that would be waaay overthinking it, haha. I just think in general M.Zuiko lenses just look much better than the Panasonic ones do (that often have this early 2000-s finish even when the optics are excellent).

47 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:

Yeah I feel you on the organic feel, Every camera that has been released since the pocket, as felt less organic to me as well. I think it started with the C300 II.

But I am interested in the 180 degree shutter. Do you have any side by sides? To see the difference. As I always shoot in 180 degree shutter, as I understood it was the same as 50 shutterspeed on 25fps. But if it looks different I need to rethink this!

Thanks!

180 degrees is the same as 1/50th at 25fps. It's the industry standard for unobtrusive motion so I don't know what he's talking about exactly. Might come down to personal preference for him.

No, the comment I am talking about was in response to B&H updating their release date. I'm also expecting second of September at the earliest though, to be honest.

Anaconda, a representative from Blackmagic said on their forums that they cannot stress enough that any date currently put out by vendors is not official.

YouTube often takes a while before it displays 4k resolution, in the meantime the video will be capped at 1080p. I have no idea why. It is actually 4k footage if you go and check now.