thebrothersthre3

All sounds about right, a shame as not interested in an 8 bit camera and I'm not willing to pay the premium for a stills camera with a RAW feature I don't really want when I can get a proper video camera used for about the same price. 
Is a bit like the C200 conundrum for me, 8 bit is not enough, RAW too much for my needs, just give me a decent 10 bit.
Will stick with the Fuji XT3 

Fuji's IBIS is like Panasonic's auto focus. They just don't seem to care. 

The issue is they didn't do it right. It wasn't a pocket camera it was ginormous. And that is fine because lets face it you can't really do a small camera that has BRAW yet. The OG Pocket was pretty small but such a small body can't do 4k with the BRAW compression. Plus the OG body overheated.

They should have made it even bigger and put a decent battery in it (something that lasted an hour+) they also should have included a tilt screen. Then you'd have a very usable small camera. However when you need to add an external monitor and battery solution it becomes a pain in the ass. 

A huge benefit for me with larger bodies like the URSA is being able to get good handheld footage. I was shooting on a 50mm lens in 1080p prores and got nice footage. If I tried that with my XT3 it wouldn't be usable at all. It isn't a rolling shutter issue either as in 1080p the rolling shutter is comparable to the URSA. I was almost shocked how much of a difference it made TBH. IBIS or lens OIS is pretty important with smaller bodies unless you are always using a tripod or gimbal.

Yeah Cinema 5D measured it at 12.7 stops when shooting in 6k, but I think that was due to the aggressive NR going on(seems to be more at 6k according to different sources). Just my guess as 4k was measured at 12.3. 

I was never really satisfied with the GH5 even though I loved the body/IBIS. The low light performance and dynamic range on the A6300 impressed me initially though after moving to Fuji I'd never want to go back to Sony colors, even Panasonic color was always lackluster at least on the GH5. Maybe I would have liked the GH5S better, but no IBIS is a bummer. 
 
Perhaps I was too harsh on the pocket. But I just can't understand why they didn't at least add a flip screen. Its very hard to shoot with a fixed screen and see what you are doing, at least with the way I shoot. Battery swapping can be a pain but its doable, though the P6K pretty much crosses the line with the poor battery life. 

In terms of body design though I actually love the original Pocket camera by black magic. Yes the battery life sucked, but the grip was amazing. Probably the nicest feeling small camera I've held. Felt so nice in the hand. Of course that was killed after I rigged it up with a cage and all that BS(eventually selling it) If I were to go to an older BM camera it would be the Micro, really the only decently designed one.
I think with the crazy specs we've come to expect bigger bodies that can accommodate bigger batteries make more sense. Also if a Camera is meant to be small and compact I think a built in flip/tilt screen is a must(the brighter the better). External monitors are just way to bulky. 

@Brother

The IBIS definitely looks jittery in the moving shots near the end of the vid you posted. But in the more static shots it looks good. Seems like its only reliable use is a static tripod replacement. Which in itself is actually very useful as who wants to be lugging a tripod around. That said the XT3 is going for around $800 used and the 18-55 ois is amazing for handheld shooting, you can even walk with it and get good results at the 18-23mm end. 

It’s closer to 12.7 at best.

Yeah EOS r makes sense if you shout canon. If you shoot with an FS7 tho the A73 makes a lot more sense imo 

Yeah EOS r makes sense if you shout canon. If you shoot with an FS7 tho the A73 makes a lot more sense imo 

Yeah Fuji menus are sucky. I don't usually need to change anything though that I can't access with the buttons. Menus are still better than Sony. 

On the Fuji I have the high speed option assigned to a button, so if I want to switch to 120p is super quick. However say I want to switch from 24p to 60p or from HD to 4k, then I have to go into the menus.

I like the A6300 grip but yeah it heats up in 4k and the battery life sucked. 

One big thing I think a lot of people don't take into account on the XT3 is the battery grip! Some battery grips only have a single battery or don't allow you to utilize the in camera battery. Fuji gives you two batteries in the grip plus the one in the camera. That makes for pretty amazing battery life and the extra weight honestly helps for video.

Its one of the many reasons I haven't went with a Pocket camera over the Fuji. Fuji has AF, flip screen, easy compact battery solution, and nicer out of camera color. Whats the point of a Pocket camera if you can't really easily use it in its native form factor. Of course the Pocket cams will be worth it for some people but I'd rather just grab my Ursa if I really need the IQ. I can actually shoot handheld on my URSA without it looking a mess. 

King of forgot about the A6300 body, it actually had a nice grip, compared to the XT3 at least. 

form factor and internal ND's 

Yeah that's the amazing thing about BM RAW as well as REDcode, you can get RAW files smaller than prores. That'll be the downfall for RAW on the R5 for many, probably huge files especially in 8K

I am sure a lot of bad footage you see online from blackmagic cameras is from people not using IR cut filters.  All blackmagic cameras even the Pocket cameras need them. Another issue is just white balance that is off. Unless shooting RAW if you rely on a faulty auto white balance or simply don't manually white balance correctly you will have funky colors. I've seen plenty Canon footage that looks pretty whacky that I attribute to bad WB, same with Fuji. One of the huge advantages of RAW, probably the biggest for me at least. 

Honestly that is one of my big issues with Black Magic. Their reasons for not including IR cut filters built in are stupid. Thankfully you can install one in the Ursa mini without having to use ones you put infront of the lens. 

 

I am sure a lot of bad footage you see online from blackmagic cameras is from people not using IR cut filters.  All blackmagic cameras even the Pocket cameras need them. Another issue is just white balance that is off. Unless shooting RAW if you rely on a faulty auto white balance or simply don't manually white balance correctly you will have funky colors. I've seen plenty Canon footage that looks pretty whacky that I attribute to bad WB, same with Fuji. One of the huge advantages of RAW, probably the biggest for me at least. 

Honestly that is one of my big issues with Black Magic. Their reasons for not including IR cut filters built in are stupid. Thankfully you can install one in the Ursa mini without having to use ones you put infront of the lens. 

 

@Django

Check out this list 
https://pdnonline.com/gear/cameras/the-best-cameras-for-color-reproduction-ranked/

TBH I am really confused as the Fuji's are up at the top directly followed by Sony. How can they both be super color accurate while both being very different?

@Django

Check out this list 
https://pdnonline.com/gear/cameras/the-best-cameras-for-color-reproduction-ranked/

TBH I am really confused as the Fuji's are up at the top directly followed by Sony. How can they both be super color accurate while both being very different?

@Django

Check out this list 
https://pdnonline.com/gear/cameras/the-best-cameras-for-color-reproduction-ranked/

TBH I am really confused as the Fuji's are up at the top directly followed by Sony. How can they both be super color accurate while both being very different?

The tech for an ideal cameras is out there for me it just needs to be combined. 
Arri color
Arri Dynamic range 
Canon PDAF
Sony lowlight 
RED or BM RAW
Just advance things so all that tech can be put in a small body say like an Osmo pocket(could be bigger but you get the idea) with a nice built in ff 28-70 2.8 equivalent, oh yeah with 4k 120fps and 2k up to 240fps

😄😄😄

 
 

Black Magic doesn't have a camera that can match something 3x its price, no. But a cinema camera is more than just color. Ergonomics have a lot to do with it. 
My reasons for purchasing an Ursa were many. Low rolling shutter at high resolutions, high speed at high resolutions, incredibly cheap price point (used at $1600), really good dynamic range, RAW at all frame rates and resolutions. Of course I was told by many it has great color science which maybe isn't true. 
 
I think both of you are just running in circles at this point. 

Informing a person by saying "this is better and I know due to my experience", is often a poor way to convince someone. Its kind of like my dad saying "listen to me because I am your father", (older more experienced).

If something is definitively true it should be able to be proven by scientific means. 

Maybe Super8 simply doesn't have the technical knowledge to explain his opinion. That of course doesn't mean he is wrong. A colorist just needs to know what looks good and how to achieve it, having the technical background to prove it isn't needed. I can say gravity exists and be right without being able to explain how and why. 
I certainly know how to expose an image and use a camera, but if you were to ask how that camera works my knowledge is very limited. 

The tech for an ideal cameras is out there for me it just needs to be combined. 
Arri color
Arri Dynamic range 
Canon PDAF
Sony lowlight 
RED or BM RAW
Just advance things so all that tech can be put in a small body say like an Osmo pocket(could be bigger but you get the idea) with a nice built in ff 28-70 2.8 equivalent, oh yeah with 4k 120fps and 2k up to 240fps

😄😄😄

 
 

We're really only talking about 2 generations (max) beyond what's currently available or the a7s3 finally being released, so changes will be incremental.
Some of what I hope to see on cutting edge hybrids in the next few years
Global shutter E-ND Larger LCD's with a more phone-like experience - this is where current cameras really lag behind so many other things, Sony's horseshit little LCD on a $4500 camera is a prime example. The user experience is something all cameras can improve on, I would hope more would be invested in that area instead of fattening the spec sheet, but a fully functional 4-5" OLED touchscreen doesn't grab headlines like raw video.
Chris
 

The tech for an ideal cameras is out there for me it just needs to be combined. 
Arri color
Arri Dynamic range 
Canon PDAF
Sony lowlight 
RED or BM RAW
Just advance things so all that tech can be put in a small body say like an Osmo pocket(could be bigger but you get the idea) with a nice built in ff 28-70 2.8 equivalent, oh yeah with 4k 120fps and 2k up to 240fps

😄😄😄

 
 

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