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1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:

 It's not unusable it's undependable, big difference. 

It's really not. Once you figure out how it works, and work towards its strength, it's very reliable.

Do I wish that it was Canon or Sony level? Sure, especially given my belief that not moving towards PDAF has hurt the format's image with consumers who think they NEED it and have put it at risk, but it's not that important to me. I'll be filming pro-wrestling matches with it tomorrow.

I wish I hadn't deleted the original video, but it did, in my opinion, show that the GH5's AF is "good enough" and gets an unfair rap. I still stand by that. It won't win awards, but people that say it's unusable, I just can't agree with.

Excellent as always, Andrew!

10 hours ago, Rob6 said:

What lenses do you guys recommend for the gh6? What are your favorites for the micro 4/3 system. Looking at getting one for a b or c camera for video at events. Thanks!

Also why can't they have it record in prores on the cfexpress and then some other format on the sd card like h.265. The R5 does something like there were it can write raw to the cfexpress and lower quality h.265 to the sd card...

Depends on what you prefer, zooms or primes? If you're looking to get the best stabilization you'll probably want to stick with Panasonic lenses, though I prefer Olympus lenses myself (even though I only own 1.)

The 12-35mm f2.8 and the 35-100mm f2.8 are both decent. Their Olympus counterparts are better, but you lose dual IS with them. They're not that different, they just feel better built, are a bit sharper, and have the manual focus clutch. I own the 7-14mm f2.8 since the Panasonic equivalent is only an f4. It is such a nice, premium feeling lens. But I own 2 of the 12-35mm and 1 of the 35-100mm Panasonic and I'm happy with them. 

For primes the 25mm f1.7 is a great value, the 42.5mm f1.7 is an excellent portrait/interview lens, and the 15mm f1.7 is also excellent. I have almost all the primes myself, but those are arguably the best bang for your buck as far as Panny is concerned. They have some really nice f1.2 and 1.4 but they're quite pricey. I've heard great things about the Sigma primes too. 

Low light is always one of those things people complain about even though it's one of the easiest things to work around. I've never had problems with the GH5 even in concert venues and filming pro-wrestling.

I was utterly disgusted when I saw this earlier. Things seem so bleak right now. 

The opening made me laugh so much! 

I am hoping they rush a firmware update to fix the issues you're having. 

One of the most interesting things I've noticed in the reviews so far is how good the colors look, and how accurate they remain even at high ISOs. While Canon and Sony beat them in low light, their colors get gross the higher you get while the GH6's colors still look good (though noisy.) 

1 hour ago, mercer said:

Thanks, I'm hoping it can handle a 1hr. 20min. 1080p ProRes4444 timeline? Would 16gb RAM be enough?

I have a M1 Pro 10-core CPU and 16-core GPU with 16gb of RAM and have had no problems with a 4 hour multicam timeline in ProRes 422 with each camera color corrected and motion graphics/lower thirds. I'd be very surprised if you had any issues. 

1 hour ago, Video Hummus said:

By definition Depth from Defocus (DfD) achieves focus by this pulsing of focus. I’m not sure you can completely eliminate it…except for…you know…using phase detection instead.

I didn't know if there was a way for the processor to do it computationally and then apply it to the recorded image. 

There really are so many tiny things they got right that make this such an ideal camera. And the AF looks much improved. I still think it hurts the GH6's chances of gaining wide acceptance in a market that has declared continuous auto focus in video is one of the most important features.

Is it impossible to do DfD without the pulsing back and forth? Because even if they could just eliminate that, they'd go a LONG way with their critics when it comes to AF.

3 hours ago, Caleb Genheimer said:

3. Sure, his “is dead” statement is clickbaity, but heck, he laments even having to drop a video at embargo lift. He knows what he’s doing, it’s just how it has to be done to a certain extent, and most importantly, if you pay attention to his justification for personally declaring that, HE’S RIGHT.

It really doesn't have to be done that way. When you're worried about releasing your video the second the embargo is lifted more than putting out an informative/better video, that's a problem. Others released this morning and afternoon, like Dan Watson. I've defended Gerald a lot here, so I'm not just a hater or just bashing him because it's the cool thing to do.

3 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

I honestly think this camera is going to get Internal ProRes RAW recording in firmware update down the line.

I've wondered about that, and also whether that might be something they can do over USB-C. The processor is obviously very powerful, so it makes me wonder if they plan to further maximize its usage over time.

3 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

I honestly think the tone of the video was very weird. He was lamenting that a MFT camera wasn't a FF camera. He wasn't excited at all that a MFT camera could keep up with FF. He didn't even touch on the subject of what this kind of tech in a FF Panasonic camera could do. It was just this odd, apparently painful, review of a product. Why didn't he just objectively review it like all his other product reviews?

Yeah, I mean if you're that disinterested and dismissive maybe just don't review it at all? How did the Northrups give it a fairer shake, when they've been proclaiming M43 is dead for months, than Gerald?! They compared it favorably to the Canon R6 and are considering switching to it over the R6. 

This not being a Sony sensor is very interesting, and perhaps a good sign moving forward not just for Panasonic but the industry as a whole. It's not good for the industry for everyone to get their sensors from the same company, especially when that company is also a competitor. 

26 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

It is a very interesting development if it turns out not to be manufactured by Sony. Sony doesn’t have any cameras with the dual gain simultaneously readout. Makes me think there is an association/collaboration with Canon or whoever makes ARRI sensor. 

I'm not as knowledgeable about sensors as a lot of folks are, but could it possibly be Samsung? Or is that dumb/unlikely? 

3 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

I encourage everyone to watch Media Division.

Gerald's video has a very weird tone. I can't tell if he is sad its not a FF Sony camera or that he knows he just burnt his relationship with Panasonic? Very different from his usual product tours and testing of other cameras. Oh well. Media division did an awesome job actually using the camera and telling us about its features and problems.

@Andrew Reid what are your thoughts with it so far?

He seemed like he'd rather be doing anything but making a video about the GH6. I stopped watching after a couple minutes, and probably should've stopped after he complained about having to get the video out at 8PM instead of taking his time and putting more thought into it. 

I used to really enjoy his videos but he doesn't really seem to enjoy doing them anymore. 

I think people really only need to watch the Media Division and the Three Blind Men And An Elephant (Hugh is wonderful) videos. 

It's a solid release, but I really, really think the AF will hinder its success. 

Excellent post, thanks for sharing. I've decided that I'm going to stick with the GH5 for a few more years, but I'm very much watching these cameras to buy in a few years when they're available on the used market. 

I've always wanted a Canon cinema camera, but the stabilization was always something that made it a bad fit for me. I also still have a problem giving Canon my business given their business practices. 

The FX3 is probably the best fit, but I don't know... Sony footage just doesn't do it for me. 

I wish Panasonic could figure out the AF. Not because it's important to me, but because I think it's a key to their survival.

Other than lashing out, did he ever actually go into detail and show his receipts re: Gerald, etc? He seemed to imply that he had some but didn't share anything specific, from what I can tell? 

I very much sympathize with him over the abuse he has received, but I hate when people drag others into the mud but don't ever go into detail and share evidence. All we've got is vague accusations, but nothing concrete, which doesn't really give us any info, and doesn't give the person they're targeting a chance to defend themselves. 

12 hours ago, Brian Williams said:

OM-1, GH6, in 2022, both overpriced for what the competition is offering these days. My phone is shooting ProRes at this point, it’s not exactly a killer feature anymore, esp with how good hevc is these days. 

ProRes in an ILC with these features is absolutely a big deal for a lot of people, as it's a standard in production houses all over the world. You're underselling it as a feature. 

I'm not one of them, and will likely be replacing my G85 and GX85 to get two more GH5 bodies given the used prices for the GH5 are pretty good right now, but I know quite a few people that will get this because of ProRes alone. 

If the auto focus doesn't hunt and is accurate (it doesn't even need to be as fast as Sony or Canon, imo, it just needs to be accurate) this will be a great camera. 

Is it a revolutionary update? No. But it's a respectable one. And while you can point to Blackmagic and ZCam, ultimately this is a camera that takes many of those camera's strengths while adding world class IBIS, better AF, and better ergonomics (at least compared to Blackmagic's offerings in that price range.) 

I do, however, think they'd be smart to price it at $2000 instead of $2500. And AF needs to be substantially better, otherwise there's a lot of people that won't even consider it. While it's not something I NEED, it's what the market wants right now, right or wrong. Panasonic puts out great cameras and virtually everyone that uses one has a great experience, but perception is a big deal and the perception that the AF is bad is a major negative. 

I've never used a gh5 for my sports work and thought "this rolling shutter is so bad." If no rolling shutter is one of its big selling points, then I can't say I'm be impressed. Rolling shutter is another one of those things that the viewer doesn't notice. 

DfD with genuine AI has potential, but we'll have to see it in real usage and what AI actually means in this context. People are dead set on PDAF, and I get it, but I don't know that there's anything stopping DfD from being as good as PDAF with the right processing. If you remove the pulsating, which has gotten better in the most recent releases, and increase its accuracy, you should be capable right? 

I've decided to stick with M43 for a couple more years, but don't see myself buying a GH6. I think I'll end up snagging up two used GH5 bodies and selling my G85 and GX85 so that all 3 of my cameras will be the same. 

10 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

The social media abuse is one thing but I'd like to bring this topic back to what Canon Rumors guy says in his actual tweets above.

I am interested to hear all your opinions on this more so than anything else.

50K ad guys

CR guy falling out with YouTubers

Gannon at DPReview (who writes all the clickbait on the news feed)

Industry is turning into a cess pit and it isn't much fun to be involved in it.

Unless the audience and consumers turn away from this and stop watching, stop clicking, stop endorsing, the problem of cronyism is going to get worse.

Why aren't we on Roger Deakin's forum instead or taking lessons from other top DPs?

The sad reality is none of this is shocking, and could be seen coming for years. That most YouTubers and reviewers are enthusiasts at heart and never intended to be impartial, they were easy pickings for these brands. It's almost comical how little it costs to do, too. 

Before to market your product you'd have to spend millions to advertise. Now all you have to do is email a 100 YouTubers, send them free stuff, and then watch them shill the products. The real brilliance is all the other YouTubers that then will follow their lead without even getting the products for free because 1. They want those hits, too. 2. They too want to get the attention of these companies and get free stuff, so they too shill in hopes of one day getting one of those emails. And all these companies had to do was pay for postage and the production cost of whatever product they're sending. Even when they were flying people out to exotic locations for camera announcements, it was a drop in the bucket compared to what they used to have to spend. 

These companies will continue to try and co-opt anyone they can. All we can do is hope that those that have ethics will continue to do things the right way. 

17 hours ago, Robert Collins said:

Somehow I think the logic is back to front here. I have always felt comfortable telling my friends that 'I think they are talking absolute garbage' when I think they are. It would shock me if I subsequently met them in a 'grocery store' (full stop.) But if I did and I enquired about their family, I would be pretty surprised if they told me to 'fuck off'.

 

Knowing someone and being friends with someone are two completely different things. But if you run into someone you know at the grocery store, or somewhere else, it's pretty common to be friendly, say hello and ask how their family is doing even if you're not particularly close to the person. It's just how things are in small towns like mine where you've known these people your entire life. It doesn't stop some of them from being absolutely awful on social media, saying something disrespectful and then being friendly to you like nothing happened when you see them out and about in town. These people think they can behave a certain way online without repercussions. It's awful. Telling them to fuck off is being too kind for a lot of people's behavior online. 

On 2/5/2022 at 5:15 PM, Xavier Plagaro Mussard said:

Until a couple of years ago. Now people with their full name and with a profile picture of their family, posts in FB wishing death to someone else. It is sad, more than anything.

But adults are turning into rabid teenagers with zero responsibility.  

Yeah, I'll see someone I know say something incredibly disrespectful to me because we disagree on politics, but then when I see them at the grocery store it's all smiles and asking how my family is doing, etc. When I tell them to fuck off (quite literally) they act shocked and confused.

I don't mean to paint all older folks with the same brush, but people that didn't use the internet much all the sudden became super connected once smart phones took over the market and immediately became the shittiest users on the internet. Now your 60 year old aunt spends most of her day shit posting and making casual racist comments on Facebook but wonders why things are now awkward with you on holidays. 

Yeah, social media has become such a detriment to society at this point. I'm constantly blown away seeing adults, some in their 50s and 60s, acting like children and reveling in their ignorance. It's frustrating and depressing all at once. 

The lack of ibis really hurts this.

13 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Tokina had a tiny increase as well.

Otherwise it looks to me as if the release of so many Canon EOS R cameras and lenses in 20-21 did take business of nearly ALL the other brands.

Really like the look of those small Angenieux

Why are people so Canon obsessed?

It's what people know / started with, I think. I know so many people who don't even consider trying out other brands. It's strange.