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10 minutes ago, Mokara said:
Expected availability Sep 3, 2018. I imagine actual availability would be after that, and who knows what other products from mainstream manufacturers will be on the market by then.
This seems to be another one of BM's announcements long before the camera is ready to ship, meaning that it is still in development, so it is anyone's guess when it will actually be available.
According to Grant during the livestream, the camera is actually done development wise. They just have to scope the manufacturing process. I still wouldn't hold my breath for a pre-September release, but I think BM has learned from their past not to be overly optimistic on delivery dates.
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3 minutes ago, mechanicalEYE said:
Sure. Hot Rod Cameras.
Thank you! That's where I thought it would be
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Just now, mechanicalEYE said:
Most should. I ordered mine.
Mind saying from where?
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Anyone have an idea when preorders will open? Sometimes they come with announcements, other times not.
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2 minutes ago, mercer said:
From that photo, I think the Pocketii looks pretty small... the lens still looks fairly large on the camera.
And what’s with the 2 record buttons?
The pop out section around the lens mount, the space between the mount to grip, and the space on the opposite side all look larger than the GH5 to me. But, yeah the lens does look a little larger by comparison. Hmm....
2 minutes ago, JordanWright said:The ability to take pictures also is killer for location scouting etc
Veryyyyy true! Hadn't thought of it.
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1 minute ago, Anaconda_ said:
Does anyone have a photo of a GH5 with that lens for a handy size comparison?
From above. The Pocket looks massive in comparison.
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From LM Mullen in GH5/s Facebook group. I spy a little shutter release button for stills and two record buttons. What is that flash-looking thing on the right??
Correction: photo originally from Videotex Systems on Twitter.
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1 minute ago, Dimitris Stasinos said:
I really can't see how this camera will disturb the Lumix shooters.
The price will intimidate many GH users. A large chunk of them like to think that their camera is the very best: anything more expensive is stupid overkill and anything equal or less is garbage. This price bracket seems to be where the most fragile egos exist.
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1 minute ago, AaronChicago said:
Well, if we’re playing semantics then any piece of tech could be pro.
Just ordered a set of C47 Pro's!
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2 minutes ago, AaronChicago said:
IBIS just isn't a pro video feature. Blackmagic's brand is all about uncompromised image quality. I would agree that the Pocket is the one BM camera targeted toward the masses, but they won't stray far from their brand.
Oh I completely agree. It doesn't belong in the Pocket cam. I'm just saying that for certain applications it's very useful. More of a comment on the industry overall
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1 minute ago, anonim said:
I'd just say: don't underestimate good ibis - you can accomplish fast documentary interview with many changing angle simply handheld (and GH5lock mode)
You can penetrate to the forbidden places and still shot comfortably and... feel yourself as Indiana Jones...
+1
IBIS is an excellent tool when it's needed. It's one of those features that's radically changed the game.
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4 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:
It depends on the users. This camera will probably blow the GH5S, A7S II right out of the water. Actually the original pocket already did that.
Depends on the users is right. I wanted to love the original BMPCC desperately. I bought and sold it 3 separate times because it kept drawing me back. The image is beautiful, but the horrible audio preamps and battery life, poor screen, and overall ergonomics trumped the amazing IQ for me. The GH5s is exactly the kind of camera that suits me best: an all-in-one unit that gets out of my way when I shoot. And it has excellent IQ to boot. If the new BMPCC can come close to that level of usability, then it will get my attention.
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13 hours ago, noone said:
No, that chart is mainly about RAW stills and nothing to do with S-Log.
s-log uses the higher ISO 3200 setting as base but that doesn't mean the camera isn't using dual ISO (they might just call it something different).
What it means is if you are using s-log with the original A7s, you are using the second higher "base" ISO only but if you use one of the other settings besides s-log, you would use both if you went from an ISO under 3200 to over it in the same video. No?
Ah I gotcha now. I thought the y axis on the chart literally meant log profile, but I see that it's actually referring to the curve of the chart itself.
I guess my sticking point is in the strict definition of native vs. base ISO. From what I understand, native ISO refers to where a camera performs best in regards to DR, highlight rolloff, and noise (debatable). Straying away from that native ISO, up or down, leads to a drop in that maximum quality. That's why dual native ISO is so powerful; it gives you another upper option for maximum quality. From what I've read there are two distinct circuitry pathways required to implement dual native ISO.
I could definitely be wrong, but I believe that some of these cameras are actually implementing a second base ISO. It will give some of the benefits, but not all of them. At this point I'm less confident in my opinion though, haha
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3 minutes ago, noone said:
I am not so sure about this and I think with the Sony's, it is the same sort of thing (a dual or second base ISO if you like). The video I am thinking of about the comparison with RED might have been about a blending of technologies but even then I think they have had that sort of thing for a while too.
If you look at Photons to Photos chart you can see the change in DR at ISO 3200 for the A7s.
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm
The chart shows the DR curve of the A7s in s-log. The native ISO of the A7s in s-log is 3200, so that explains the behavior there.
I wish I had more hard data on hand, but anecdotally Panasonic have heavily marketed their dual native ISO tech in every camera they put it in. It is a big deal and a real selling point. Kinefinity has it and now so does RED, and they all market it heavily because it's a big deal. So, I doubt that Sony (or any company) would just stick this feature in there and not shout it from the rooftops.
5 minutes ago, salim said:the new A7III has a dual ISO pathway:
This is interesting and does seem to fit into the real definition of dual native ISO.
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22 minutes ago, noone said:
I think even the first version Sony A7 cameras have dual ISO (A7s does anyway).
RED has had dual ISO for ages in some way or other. Wasn't there a comparison video a couple of years ago about it?
I think there's some blending of terminology here. The Sony's have a base ISO in standard picture profiles and a different base ISO for log profiles, but this isn't dual native ISO.
In the past, Red cameras have used a technique for HDR by alternating ISO values every other frame, but again this isn't dual native ISO.
11 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:Epic, Raven, Monstro, Scarlet, Weapon, Dragon, Helium and now Gemini.
I'm no fan of the boring naming convention of other cameras but that sounds like the lineup at an 80s heavy metal festival.
Or the American Gladiators
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1 hour ago, Mattias Burling said:
AC costs extra in both cars.
Yes it does. Keeping with the car analogy: to the average consumer A/C is a basically a necessary feature in all cars, and we pay for it accordingly. A rear LCD is the camera equivalent of a car A/C: required but we still pay for it. A better car analogy is people wanting 4-wheel drive and a trailer hitch on a Ford Focus. Better buy an F-150.
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Woah awesome. Downloaded to my phone and tablet. Thanks!
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Just now, Robert Collins said:
However if it is oversized, it is oversized by 6.7% in area which isnt a lot - not much of a trade off for ibis. In contrast the A7riii is oversized by 300%.
Agreed. And that's sort of what I meant above re: the additional features that made IBIS impossible according to Panasonic. I don't believe it's simply the slightly larger sensor; it's the delicate balance of available resources, both hardware and software, that determine the camera's capabilities. I operate under the belief that Panasonic does not artificially cripple their cameras in order to protect margins, however they may have decided that adding the feature would have cost them (and consumers) too much to be viable. There is a distinction there.
Regardless, I'm excited for my camera to arrive next week
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"So I simply dont get 'the sensor is actually larger than the entire imaging circle of a m43 lens' because they are exactly the same sized sensor with exactly the same sized image circle."
The effective imaging area is larger than most other m43 chips, thus making the FOV wider on the GH5s. It's minimal but IBIS on this sensor could cause vignetting on native Panny lenses; something they would not want to happen (my opinion).
From DPReview:
"Well I dont have any evidence apart from the fact the fact that I dont understand why the same size sensor with the same bit rate as the GH5 would have any reason to over heat."
Even if those two factors remain constant, there are other variables. The cameras have two completely different sensors with vastly different circuitry. The sensor readout speed is faster and AF is improved (minimally) on the GH5s. Also, anecdotally my GH5 always has run hotter than my GH4. A symptom of IBIS? Maybe.
My point is that numerous Panasonic reps have stated their reasonings for omitting IBIS from the camera. I don't understand how so many people think they know better.
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31 minutes ago, Robert Collins said:
This is quite a bold statement you have made but is it true? I mean a couple of people have stated on this forum that the GH5s cant have IBIS because it has a 'bigger sensor' (and there isnt room for the ibis.) Well actually the sensor is exactly the same size in the GH5s as the GH5 so that cant be it.
It might be an overheating issue but I doubt it with that sized body and sensor. It could well be a cost of build issue and Panasonic's belief that the 'target market' wouldnt be prepared to pay for ibis. Could be but I question Panasonic's judgement here.
The GH5s has a multi-aspect sensor meaning that the sensor is actually larger than the imaging circle of a m43 lens. When speaking out the amount of room needed for IBIS, we're not just talking about physical room in the camera body but also room within the imaging circle.
You make a pretty bold statement yourself regarding overheating. What evidence or data do you have that suggests IBIS wouldn't introduce an overheating issue?
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On 1/27/2018 at 10:32 AM, Robert Collins said:
Is the choice that stark? I mean if the GH5S had ibis that you could turn on or off, would it really have lost that much of its low light ability?
The omission of IBIS is not a 1-to-1 tradeoff. The numerous additional features of the GH5s plus its target market made IBIS impossible.
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3 minutes ago, anonim said:
I'm often in the same situation. But, what I've found is that, exactly, GH5 with full open Voigtlanders at ISO 1600 gathered more light than exists for the human eye - and, the most important, because of m43 DOF, f1.0 in fact don't result in THAT shallow DOF (it is near f2 at full frame measure).
To sum up: having fully clean Iso 3200-6400 image from GH5s is dream come true - but not something that in the 95% of real life situation couldn't be achieved by fast primes. But, lacking of Ibis is for me hardly compensable for far more situations.
This is where the magic is for me: I love shooting wide open with my 17.5mm at ISO 1600, but sometimes I need more DoF and would love to use my Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8. The GH5s will allow me to shoot in those types of scenarios at ISO 3200-8000.
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IBIS has been a blessing and a curse for me, personally. The freedom of shooting handheld has opened up many possibilities for certain productions. I can be light, nimble, and unobtrusive. On the other hand, sometimes having a camera on sticks gets people out of your way at events and overall puts out a more serious aura.
6 minutes ago, DBounce said:Low light when shooting indoors in more problematic for me.
Same here. I have several cameras with IBIS; I'm happy to soon have one that performs well in low light.
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Right before that he literally says, "The product is finished." And then he proceeds to say that they just have to nail down the manufacturing process....
A lot of people are making the joke that they'll probably take another year to start shipping, but BM is a way different company than it was back in 2013. They'll deliver in September. That's my bet.