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Same with me. The S1 gives me not as much pleasure as I had hoped when I bought it. @Tim Sewell Here is a musicvideo I did with my Gx85.
 

Same with me. The S1 gives me not as much pleasure as I had hoped when I bought it. @Tim Sewell Here is a musicvideo I did with my Gx85.
 

I see a S1H, S1, S5 or GH5/6 as a cinema camera such as those from blackmagic. Great image, ergonomics, built quality and battery.
Best AF in video for those who need it, no. Best image quality and codec, image stabilisation and camera bodies, yes, Panasonic. S5 going for only 300eur higher than a R7, offering a true cinema image and best in class low light latitude. Plus pixel to pixel S35 4K 24-60p, besides full frame downsampled 4k 24-30p.
For Canon AF fans with 10bit love and good 4k up to 30p, the R7 looks fine.

100% viewfinder, that sounds like a great treat. @hyalinejim I´ve had a AE1 for maybe eight years or so but only once sent a roll of film through it. Now, years later, cameras are cheap but film has become expensive. Good thing I had enjoyed my Oly XA, Mju2, RC35 a good deal, among Canon AF35 plastic fantastic with awesome lens and a few others, Yashica 35cc with a f1.8 lens not to forget!
@webrunner5 You could also do that with the RAW files or maybe even Jpegs from a good ole Lumix LX3 or Canon S90, which still give you a different approach and different feeling in the hands and using them. I enjoy taking snaps with my phone, but I also enjoy holding a camera. You are right about good photo quality coming from phones and the advantage of light weight, image stabi, small footprint.

100% viewfinder, that sounds like a great treat. @hyalinejim I´ve had a AE1 for maybe eight years or so but only once sent a roll of film through it. Now, years later, cameras are cheap but film has become expensive. Good thing I had enjoyed my Oly XA, Mju2, RC35 a good deal, among Canon AF35 plastic fantastic with awesome lens and a few others, Yashica 35cc with a f1.8 lens not to forget!
@webrunner5 You could also do that with the RAW files or maybe even Jpegs from a good ole Lumix LX3 or Canon S90, which still give you a different approach and different feeling in the hands and using them. I enjoy taking snaps with my phone, but I also enjoy holding a camera. You are right about good photo quality coming from phones and the advantage of light weight, image stabi, small footprint.

Same with me. The S1 gives me not as much pleasure as I had hoped when I bought it. @Tim Sewell Here is a musicvideo I did with my Gx85.
 

And that is exactly the reason why b/w footage of "bad" cameras which are exposed for the highlights are still looking good. You can try this easily basically with every photo in Lightroom, if you see the ugly yellow ring around the sun, turn the picture into b/w and the rolloff immediately looks great. 🙂 

I think we over think the hell out of all of this. When I was going through my 1,000's of pictures, hundreds of videos one camera kept popping up over and over again, well 2 actually. My Apple 6s Plus and my old Canon 1dx mk III with a 70-200 on it, an old 70-200, a black one not a white one
In today's world neither would be at the top of the must have list. But they keep coming to the top of mine. Neither one of them is something to write home to mother about in this day and age specs wise. But they both have something special. They are both fairly accurate while not being overbearing. Pretty much their output was as I remembered. And that is pretty much what you are looking for, at least that is what I like to see. And this is straight OOC stuff I am talking about. I can always add to it, but hard to take away stuff. 
So, the takeaway is I don't think we have hardly progressed at all to be honest. And these are cheap ass cameras to buy in this day. Even the video out of the iPhone 6s Plus is pretty dan impressive, first iPhone to have 4k, first iPhone to have a 12mp sensor, same as today yet. Like I said we really have not progressed much at all.
I think I paid 250 dollars for the Canon body and 100 for the iPhone.

Yes, for sure! The 1n is reassuringly heavy and solid. It has an incredibly loud shutter sound which can be a good thing or not. And I forgot to mention it's one of the very few Canon EOS film SLRs with 100% or thereabouts viewfinder coverage.

In my experience, I don't mind lack of DR as long as the highlights look nice and graduated as they go from detail to no detail. If that line is harsh with unnatural colors, it looks very inorganic and unpleasant. Detail in the shadows is essential for me.

I don't agree with everything you said here, but I think what you're describing is exactly the spirit of this thread. Be it an FZ47 or a Canon t2i... a GH2 or an iPhone... beautiful images can be made with discarded or unassuming cameras. Some of them even have a look that is equally as interesting as old film or something very high end. I've posted these a bunch of times, but I love what the RX10ii can capture in sLog2 with Monochrome color...

Or this shot from the D5500 and an old Tokina 24-40mm zoom lens...

Now I'm not saying they're great images or anything, but I think they show that these old neglected crappy cameras can produce something interesting... good, bad or otherwise. 

I find that photos and video are very different and I don't prize either from a smartphone.  My friend only takes stills and the really good ones get printed and framed and put on his wall.  He's shot many more photos with his phone than with his ancient Canon DSLR (IIRC it's a 40D?) and yet he's never taken a single photo with his phone worthy of being printed.
In terms of video, you seem to love your smartphones but I find the images thin and uninspiring.  They have large resolutions and frame rates but I feel they lack all the things required to give them feeling, which is why I shoot in the first place. 
In terms of overthinking things, that's what this forum is for, mostly.  Hardly anyone comes on and says "I shoot this what do I need" gets some technical info and then says "thanks, I've got it all working now, bye....".  There are a few, but all the rest of us are really just here, overthinking everything!

Absolutely.  I'm not sure this really ever gets discussed here - the effect that the setup has on how well you use it and how creative you are when actually shooting and making directing / composition / lighting / etc choices.  
I know that the GH5 felt way nicer to use than the XC10 and for me I think a big part of that was how the images feel in post and the 10-bit codec - holding the camera and knowing that when you hit record you're making files you will enjoy editing in post certainly contributes a lot to my experience while shooting.
Camera size is one of these things - not only does it change how you use it and how you feel about using it but it also changes how the people around you feel about the situation.  Filming in public with a huge camera makes people wary and distracted and on set will make them take you more seriously (warranted or not) and the opposite is true of small cameras.

I see a S1H, S1, S5 or GH5/6 as a cinema camera such as those from blackmagic. Great image, ergonomics, built quality and battery.
Best AF in video for those who need it, no. Best image quality and codec, image stabilisation and camera bodies, yes, Panasonic. S5 going for only 300eur higher than a R7, offering a true cinema image and best in class low light latitude. Plus pixel to pixel S35 4K 24-60p, besides full frame downsampled 4k 24-30p.
For Canon AF fans with 10bit love and good 4k up to 30p, the R7 looks fine.

It was/is a pretty popular camera on here.
You might want to consider putting my Cinelike D hack on it for a bit more flexibility.
 

If you want more GX85 nerdery and discussions then look no further.....

General use.
I have a S1, that I love, but it's so big and heavy it hasn't been out of its bag for the last few months, so I wanted something that I can just pick up and go with. The particular motivation for doing it now is that I'm going on holiday (first time in three years) in a few weeks and the thought of lugging the S1 around was causing me considerable trepidation. With this I can put the camera and my three native lenses (25 1.7, 17 1.8 and 14 2.5), plus my Mavic Mini 2 in my messenger bag and still have room for sun cream (and my Crane 2S maybe)!
In fact, after initial testing, I think I'm probably going to sell the S1. I was thinking I would need to hold on to it as I've been asked to do a music video in a couple of months, but I think the GX80 will handle it nicely - in that scenario I'll be speedboosting my set of Super Takumars.
A few weeks ago i tried out a FZ2000 for a couple of weeks, but it failed to impress. What's the point of a super zoom when the long end is unusably soft? Also the colours didn't do it for me, but this little chap's rendition is not a million miles away from the S1's.
Last night I was using Standard and Natural, both dialled back. Over the weekend I'll be giving @BTM_Pix's bit of wizardry a try to see how Cinelike D fares.

After various test made with A7SIII, I was not satisfied so I traded in to buy XF605, very similar to my old camera HPX170, more comfortable. Changing lens to have 3x zoom or similar, and the risk of dust into the sensor of A7SIII, make me think is not well designed for my generic use.

update 0.1:
since it doesn't come with mic or mic stand, there were a big ugly hole on the right side handle, so I used some soft  silicone rubber that left from some old project, cut it with razor and voila! a rubber cover, not pretty but it works and I don't need to worry dust and rain water will get inside handle anymore.
Here are some screen shot fresh comes out of it, RGB444 on PIXE5, 180° shutter and ISO800, SLOG of course, 5600k WB, just transferd it to R709 and a tiny touch to exposure. The dynamic range and color science is truly amazing! Indeed it is a reason that F3 was called 'baby alexa'

How often do I mention that I'm interested in another camera? And then how often do I buy said cameras?
Even though I know the camera in and out, and could probably shoot with it now without any exposure aids, and even a blacked out LiveView, I still feel like I am scratching the surface with what the final output could look like.
Other than maybe the FP, I don't know if I could get a purer image without spending a lot more. At that point, I may as well just rent cameras.

Right, now I remember! That was the build and settings that worked best. I just might pickup a 5D3 again at some point for nostalgic reasons and to experiment with ML RAW again. Good to know the workflow in post is simplified a bit too..
Absolutely. I actually also simulate the film workflow with my Leica M9 as the playback is totally useless on the super low res display, no live view and it only takes small size SD cards that I fill to the max with only 24/36 pics available. Changes everything. I did a pro portrait shoot recently with this M9 setup and the R6, end result was well 36 shots on the Leica vs +400 on the Canon. There were great shots on both cameras but the clients favourite was by far the Leica ones (and I did not tell them which came from which camera). There was just more work/effort put into the composition, direction etc.. was an interesting experiment!

Buy one of these choices. They seem to make equally sense to your variantes of wants. Or, if money allows, all of them.😂 Sorry, usually i am not up to cute remarks, but your last post, in context to your og post, made me laugh. Still laughing. This thread will go on forever.😊

It's a Premiere this time in the region (north of country) where I was born and raised... Y'all Invited!
https://www.avanca.com/
https://filmfreeway.com/avancaff

 
Shot on Blackmagic Pocket 6K camera series (G1).
 
Proudly Co-Produced in Japan by this EOSHD fellow of yours,
- EAG
 
 
 

I've made some more research and discovered that Fujifilm's video AF may not be as good (with regard to reliability) as I was thinking. It seems like it still needs some refinement or requires too much playing with the af settings (as shown on one of Philip Bloom's videos). Sony a7 III or Canon R would be a better choice but there aren't any good deals on them right now (to be within my constrained budget). There is a good offer for a Fuji X-T4 - 1000 EUR body only but I'm considering to back out a little and maybe start with some cheaper Canon DSLRs with which I'd have to rely on MF only with my Carl Zeiss 50mm f1.4 and not be disappointed by the faulty AF of Fujifilm. Which one would you choose - Canon 5d mark II or III ML Raw (MF with 50mm Carl Zeiss f1.4) or 5d mark IV (DPAF with Canon 50mm f1.8) in cropped 4k? Maybe give Fujifilm a chance but buy a cheaper X-T30, or wait for reviews of the new Canons i.e. r10 and r7?

Nah, the stable Nightly Build is 1080p Full Frame 14bit 16:9 Raw. It shoots continuous with proper live view. Playback was wonky when I tried it back in '17 so I never tried it again. It has exposure meters including a Raw Histogram with an Over Exposure Warning including which channels are clipping. It has peaking and "Magic Zoom" ... punch in while recording. Everything is stable and I've never had any hiccups.
Only the Experimental Builds have a crop and a wonky Live View.