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Hey Kye, it´s the brittle HD 50p on a 25p timeline, coming from my Panasonic LX15 compact camera. @kye 8bit 25mbps 420 prowess, with super high shutters:)The 4K mode from this camera is very nice as shown in the examples by a talented visual artist, which I posted in another thread. Compared to that, HD 50p is missing some hues for sure. But 4K grades pretty nicely. I had not been giving it enough work one year ago. But with a day off, I found my colour grading workflow and built some curves and powergrades for this lil marvel to get some beautiful colours out of it. Compared to the GX85 it is more tricky to grade. GX85 can be done in one node. This camera though needs some massaging. But it deserves it well, because it can holp up to the GX85 if graded with some efforts. These grades can be applied on future footage of course. A bit of a tricky camera to handle, slippery, flimsy, but with patience it turns out to be a true little marvel indeed. At first I didnt like it at all. But inspired by the beautiful examples filmed with this camera, I gave it a real chance the last week and with open eyes and mind I recognized this camera has a lot to offer. One could complain that sensor estate for UHD is 2/3 inch sensor size only. But then there are not so many 2/3 inch sensor 4K cameras out there, with a 36 to 108mm lens to fit in your pocket.

Btw, I found the thread with best buys of og cams @kye🙂 So here is some S16 sensor size pocket love:) Love this little camera. Yesterday I was roaming the lil streets of a calm and humble neighborhood and collected some bits and sights. I then saw this trailer and figured, maybe I can get a small montage around this kewl 80ies vibe vacation waggon. Would not have been possible with my Sony F3.:) Anyway, here is some S16 deep focus pocket video:

Now that! LX100 in 10bit and a lens with a clutch mechanism for MF with a mechanical like feel and operation just like the Oly 12mm. Olympus Pen EP5, OMD10 MKIII, GX85, GF1 are my favorite MFT designs. Exactely! Have bragged about that a dozen times, GH10bit in a GX body! GX7 or GX85 like, not the big ole GX8:)

Last shot looks like a Knights and Swords film from the 50ies in these dream day for night scenes. @gt3rs Motion blur give a good anticipation of the action. I bet it looks awesome in motion!

Hah, tasty post and read! Thank you, kye! Maybe I will give it try with the hack for the G3. But maybes are wait-bes.:) @kye We should still pull off a challenge of these small auto beasts. Darn, the GF3 is small. Thinking about getting a GM5 for the nice sensor, design, the legendary GF1 style back wheel and G6 quality manual video. That´s a maybe:)

Yeah right "yeah right S1 video AF for sports". Nor about posting about sports pictures. I posted my good deal of stuff. Posted photos and a test video this month. Maybe you post some cool video for a change instead of grabs all the time. I didnt write about "S1 video AF for sports", but about general use for photos pulled from video. So, "yeah right", 10bit 420 24Mpix is not too bad for amateur use or in a pinch. Nice examples of your cameras AF for sports. Professional work. I gave it a like. I posted some photos with my GX85 two days ago in another thread. No sports, no AF. 🙂

I won´t feed the spec hungry beast, that this thread is. But one thing I wanna say: For fine art stuff in my home it would be perfectly fine for me to do a large print from good 2K or HD source. 4K Alexa 35, yes please! Actually I got some cool old footage from my G6 I have always been wanting to do some stills from. I guess I´ll just do that. Not joking. Cheapest cam to fullfill video for photo wants would be a used S1 with its opengate FF goodness. 24 Mpix, 30p, 10bit 420, just like big juicy HQ 10bit Jpegs. So, gotta get outta here, freaking specs race is exhausting.:)

You got some pretty spiffy video output from that all auto skinny codec monster that the GF3 is:) I checked, if the G3 was to be hacked for fully manual operation. Unfortunately no, just bumping the bitrate. But since Ptools and its documentation just look so chaotic to me, I wouldnt bother. Would have loved my super cheaply acquired G3 to be turned into a GH2 like HD machine. All auto, yikes! 🙂 We should do a GF1,2,3, GX1, G3 all auto challenge. Throw some all LX3 or 5 or some CCD bridge camera magic into the mix and we should have something going! @kye @QuickHitRecord

@Evgeniy85 I got a LX15 myself but was a bit underwhelmed by its output compared to a G6, G7 or GX85. After revising the example from above I might give it a try again. I had posted it here before. I was amazed back then when I found it and I still am. The material just looks like some of the best footage I have seen from a GX85 or G7. Sensor estate in 4K on this cam is 2/3 inch only, so quarter the area of MFT. Same relation like MFT to FF. But since MFT is faring pretty good in that regard this camera should compare well to mft 8bit cams as well. It does pretty good going by the example above. Here is another one by the same artist, Rec709 8bit 420 glory, 2/3 inch prowess :)

So, some photography with my beloved GX85 and the beautiful Zeiss Tevidon 25mm 1.4. It was pretty tricky doing pictures during this beautiful street fest. Small EVF, heat, loud but cool music, MF with very small focus throw, 200.000 people, dancing all over the place and the overwhelming presence of all auto smartphone computers.:) But the pleasure was all mine that day!:)

That´s what I´m thinking when I process the Raw files from my GX85, though a few pixels more in the x and y axis, not that many though:) @kye Video is nice on the GX85, but not up to par with the beautiful image coming from the RAW files, though supposely "only" 12bit. Gimme 10bit GH5 like HD and VLog in this body! Back to my acquired og beauties. The 12MP sensor is a tricky beast, I had it in its GF1 alteration and I loved it for flashlight photography but the limited dynamic range gave me problems outside. When I got the G6 some years later it felt like another dimension of image quality. The GF1 had fugly Jpegs btw, so one had to dig into Raw. Mybe I should revise my GF1 Raw files again with a different processing workflow. The second camera has the approved 16MP sensor which supposely works in the G5,G6/7/85, GH3/4, GX1/7, GX85 and some GF cameras from the GF5 on.:)

For me it is very different. I just started doing photographs again and i just love my Tevidons and my GX85 for that. But I had an almost greater pleasure taking pictures with one of two of my newly acquired MFT cameras. No ibis. So small, so direct and simple and loved the ancient pre GH4 menu system. I had just bought a Lumix G1 and G3, both for 25EUR, shipping included. I tested the G3 and cannot wait to test that old 12MPix sensor of the G1 again, which should be the same as in the GF1, a camera which is one of the prettiest ever to me. Btw the G1 is red:) I love MFT. Will get an Oly EM10 III one day. For video, I am thinking about a GH5 II, for the great organic texture it seems to be known for. I don´t enjoy my S1, though it earned me some money. S5II looks appealing, just like Mft does in general and the latter even moreso with my newly acquired OG G cameras.:) The G3 is like brandnew. G1 is sticky. I hope it´s from honey.:)

Would love to see some of that C500+Odyssey goodness. @FHDcrew Right, Z6 becoming an old school cam, though still with a sensor performing some of the best lowlight / dynamic range and image quality. Instead of the 50d I'd reccommend the EosM, instead of a GH1 one might wanna get a G6.

Ah, found this thread again.:) I just got two gems for photography. Couldn´t resist. Mft in its 12 and 16MP sensor alterations. I think the former is the first mft camera ever. Price was low as 12MP feel to some people these days. Not to me though:)

Your D-mount gopro is very well remembered:) @kye No, I didn't mean the glorious and only thread of an Eoshd challenge with over 20 cool video entries. Though it is not glorious at all that we haven't gotten to do another challenge ever since despite all the cameras we are debating.😳 I meant the thread where we were presenting our best buys, great deals and thrills of used gear. Would like to post my latest mft beauties there. Hint: photo only:)

Darn, gotta do that awesome tele hack of yours. @BTM_Pix Some day..:) I am happy that I finally had gotten around to test my og Bmpcc and that i got to post it in the bmmcc thread. Anyway, that tele adapter is compelling. Your stuff is always topnotch. Would love some of this beauty as moving images. But not trying to be pushy here of course.:) Btw, anyone remembering where that thread was about great used gear? It was full of great stuff we had a chance to snap for silly low prices. I just got two mft classics for careless photo fun, so dirt cheap, i have to post it in the cool original thread. cheers

My two cents. (five cents for the jar box for phrase dropping:) I don´t see anything impressive image wise. OG post from 0.57 to 1.02 looks gruesome, other shots still just fine compared to well shot 8bit 709 HD on Lumix and other old hybrid cameras. Above example shows very nice locations and light and sufficient framing and shot design, though not far off from being generic imho. So, well done by the creator. Nothing less but nothing more neither. This is the so called film look without a costly plugin. It was shot on an almost 7 years old pocket camera, a Lumix LX15 in Rec709. To my eyes this is very beautiful and a nice achievement for out of your pocket cinema verité:

I would give up everything for a GX85 with Bmmcc features in 2.5K plus Gh4 battery and mic in. Now, after reading your considerations I am rethinking. So I would keep the Ibis. Hey, i gave up 4k, mambo jambo and all that. Quite an admission.:)

Andrew posted on his twitter that Iphone 6s was really something colorwise and after that it became that color went downhills. You can check his og post yourself. Loved the look of "Tangerine". That was shot on an even older iphone model 4, i think. Motioncam app looks nice. Storage and other aspects are "a bit" of a hassle though.

Oh, you meant your irony and Mikes. I got that now. I am a slow thinker, just like with irony.:)

Hey, Emanuel, I like your point of view. Still, it is not easy for me to get the tender hints of irony in some posts. Often the "pointe" to me is not massively relieving, nor the delight or joy about it. Not in my reception. Might be easier for others or even pure pleasure of literature. I am under the impression that some conversations are so akwardly based on misunderstandings. @Emanuel I did some short clips in my leisure time, accidently in 720p, assuming I had my camera on 4K as usually, as I don´t like its look in HD. I was also thinking I had the Ibis on. I was wrong both times. But guess what, clips were pretty steady and the image still sufficient and even kinda pretty. I think I would exchange IBIS for a 9ms sensor readout. Could be that the readout in 720 on the GX85 is faster than FHD. 10Mbps are still a bit terrifying though. 🙂

It is not easy for me to like a forum post when the nice parts are mixed with some akward personal call outs. Some of the assumptions about one and another sound like there is a desire for misunderstanding eachother. Makes me leave the thread and topic behind. Certain advises and especially some so called advises are better off by being sent as private personal message. Some hassles can be light enterainment, but the border of becoming unbearable is close enough.

C300II gets it right, but then not completely so with its mush under certain lowlight conditions. @kye Which exact conditions that would be, I´ve always been wondering about ever since though. They srcewed that one up more than called for.:) Cine 4K seems allright. Or recording externally like with the Cinealta F3 but then you could get a F3 instead, the F3 being much cheaper and providing an HD image just as beautiful without the mush. Too bad no 2K just HD. No 4K is fine with me. Like with the BMMCC, to get back on topic. That one should have had 2K I must complain!:)

Emphasis on the latter. I like the color response in grading of the FX3. I just don´t like the feeling not to know, when the mambo-mushy-jambo kicks in. Same thing with the C300II fi. Great camera, colour and image, but that digital pipeline does some of the weirdest stuff under certain conditions of lowlight, maybe except the C4K mode. FX3 looks mushy in lowlight compared to the S series. But one firmware update can make this camera a real contender, which even Greig Fraser could possibly film a blockbuster or masterpiece with.🙂 cheers

It is a bit of a different lensing and approach than the one I am interested in @kye 🙂 Thank you for the warning. Anyway, I don´t wanna distract from the topic of this thread, of course.:) So back to topic. If Sony was only to give the FX3 and the ZV E1 an option to turn off the gruesome noise reduction, it would make it a compelling option for me to consider. But just knowing there is some mambo jambo kicking in at a certain point makes it so much less attractive to me than my S1, despite FF 4K 60p-120p vs S35 60p. I like the colors and image people are able to achieve with the FX3 and sofore showing off the potential image of the ZV E1. Common Sony, give us zero noise reduction and you gonna make some good extra money by that decision alone. Would share the crown with your fX6 for lowlight queen then. Maybe that´s what you are hesitant about, dear Sony.🙂