ac6000cw

Not mine, but there are a few 1080p 8-bit and 10-bit clips here, which might help a bit - https://www.youtube.com/user/LexTNeville/videos

Also on 'Optyczne.pl' there is a 1080p resolution test movie (I don't know if any of it is 10-bit) - https://www.optyczne.pl/59.4-Inne_testy-OM_System_OM-1_-_test_trybu_filmowego_Jakość_obrazu.html - and some downloadable 1080p samples here - https://www.optyczne.pl/59.5-Inne_testy-OM_System_OM-1_-_test_trybu_filmowego_Podsumowanie_i_filmy_przykładowe.html

21 hours ago, hoodlum said:

It looks like the new OM body coming this fall will be a replacement for the E-M1X. I would expect to see some additional updates to video that could also come down to the OM-1. 

Out of interest, where did you read that?

The rumor stuff I've seen is talking about an OM-5 in September/October, which appears to be positioned in the E-M5 iii market segment i.e. smaller, lighter and down-spec'd from the OM-1 but probably using the same sensor.

The large body E-M1X always seemed to be an aberration to me, the opposite of the traditional 'small camera body' Olympus ethos, probably driven partly by engineering necessity to get enough cooling for the dual processing chips they needed to improve autofocus performance. It's interesting (from a user demand/popularity point of view) that the used prices in the UK of E-M1X are now lower than for the E-M1 iii, despite it being a more expensive and capable camera originally.

On 7/13/2022 at 11:04 AM, kye said:

Thanks...  and...  ah, crap.

That's exactly what I did!

Looks like I'll have to start again with a config from movie mode, and try to remember what I had set.  On the plus side, I haven't used this camera all that much, or the GH5 for that matter, so I'll have very little button memory to stuff up!

Also remember that if you initiate video recording, with the mode dial in any photo mode it ignores the exposure settings and records in 'full auto' exposure. You can force shutter priority in this situation by using the 'flicker reduction' setting in the menus to force 1/50, 1/60, 1/100 or 1/120 shutter speed, but that's all.  I assume (but don't know for sure) this situation carries over into any custom presets derived/generated from photo mode. To get full exposure control for video you have to use 'creative movie' mode on the dial.

Only exception to the above is '4k photo' mode, which records 4k video but uses the current photo exposure settings (as it's regarded as a photo mode).

As an aside, my Olympus E-M1 ii does basically the same thing, except that it doesn't have the same 'flicker reduction' workaround, so you have to switch to 'movie' mode to get shutter priority for video (which is annoying when switching between video and stills frequently).

17 hours ago, SandKa said:

Panasonic G85 is also a very nice budget option - to compete in price with Canon 6D and 5Dmk2. Panasonic G9 would be a strong rival to Canon 5DmkIII. Video quality and IBIS are very nice features but wouldn't old FF sensor from Canon still beat Panasonic m43 completely in photography department?

As a budget used option, I'd also consider a used Olympus E-M1 mk2 - decent, full sensor width, 4k up to 30p, excellent DCI 4k at 24p (only), phase-detect AF, superb IBIS (probably only beaten by the newer Oly/OMDS cameras), pro-level build quality and weather sealing, mic and headphone jacks, dual SD card slots and great battery life. It also feels good in the hand. I think the 'Flat' picture profile provides better video quality than the normal profiles (there's OM-Log400 available as well).

The E-M5 mk3 is essentially the same camera in a smaller, lighter body (but no headphone jack and only one card slot), but is more expensive used. E-M1 mk3 has better AF, an AF joystick and auto-ISO capability in manual video mode, but is rather more expensive used.

I own the G85, G9 and E-M1 mk2 - G9 has the best video quality (including 10-bit support) and the best EVF, but the E-M1 mk2 is a great all-round package at the current used prices.

6 hours ago, ac6000cw said:

The full OM-1 (written) review is on dpreview now - https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/om-system-om-1-review

Interesting that UHD 8-bit video looks about the same as on E-M1 iii, but 10-bit HLG/OMlog400 is noticeably more detailed.

...also GH6 images are now available in the 'Video Stills Comparison' tool - this is OM-1 UHD 10-bit versus GH6 UHD and OM-1 UHD 8-bit versus GH6 UHD (it doesn't say if the GH6 images are 8 or 10-bit video)

The full OM-1 (written) review is on dpreview now - https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/om-system-om-1-review

Interesting that UHD 8-bit video looks about the same as on E-M1 iii, but 10-bit HLG/OMlog400 is noticeably more detailed.

1 hour ago, Geoffrey said:

I feel nervous about using glue on the hardware!

The only problem I can think of is if you come to sell the Tascam removing the Velco tape might leave some marks on the base (assuming that's where the powerbank might go) if you are unlucky or careless.

If the base of the Tascam is steel (but it might not be - check with a magnet) then you could put self-adhesive magnetic pads or tape on the power bank and attach it magnetically.

1 hour ago, Geoffrey said:

I have looked at holders but the problem I have is what to attach one to as I already have a couple of mics (on a bar) and a wireless receiver on top of the camera (and the Tascam below)

Put a cage on/around the S5 to give you more attachment points (or even just an L-backet) maybe?

9 hours ago, Geoffrey said:

There was a question upthread about a USB power block for the S5 and though I don't need it for that, something like it would be very useful for my battery hungry Tascam DR-70D. I have looked into a 10,000 mAh Anker job at £35 which I think will do the job fine but the issue is how to mount it with other things I already have to deal with. In many ways it would ideally go sort of attached to the front of the Tascam or even under it, next to the tripod mount, but beyond resorting to superglue, I cannot think of any way to do this. What I don't need is any more arms or brackets or whatever as I have nowhere for them to go without things getting silly (and I go handheld quite a bit). Any ideas? The Anker is small (about the size of a playing card) and light (180g)

 Velcro i.e. the self-adhesive hook/loop tape version - one side stuck to the Tascam, the other on the powerbank, or maybe velcro cable ties?

If it's mobile phone shaped, then there are phone holders for cars and tripods that might be usable?

7 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Feels like there is a LOT of Sony about the OM-1. Feels like a buy-out by proxy!

43rumors ran a "Interesting speculation: Is the new OM-1 nearly entirely made from Sony parts?" story recently, based on speculation from a Russian blogger, so you're not the only one to have noticed some similarities 🙂

Given that OMDS isn't really a head-on competitor to Sony, it wouldn't surprise me too much to find there's more Sony content in the OM-1 than OMDS would want to own up to (and personally it's far more important to me what the OM-1 does rather what's inside it that matters).

From the OM-1 manual :

On 4/17/2022 at 5:59 PM, Mark Romero 2 said:

I am still totally thinking of getting a GH6. I could sell my Oly E-M1 MK II and my three sony aps-c cameras to help offset the cost a bit. But the thing is, E-M1 MK II just works. I don't ask a lot of it (just 8-bit natural profile at 30fps) using the 14-42mm kit zoom lens and it gets the job done.

It's the perfect PhD camera (Press Here, Dummy!)

I think if I got the GH6 I would spend too much time overcomplicating things 🙂

(My bold)

I agree.

Even though I really like my G9 and in absolute video quality it easily beats the E-M1 ii, the overall package of good ergonomics, superb natural-looking stabilization and decent video quality makes the Oly a good handheld 'just point it at the subject and press record' camera. I bought my used E-M1 ii during lockdown mostly to have a play with (never having owned an Oly camera before) and it's definitely grown on me - I can understand why people like them.

13 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

It's really not. Once you figure out how it works, and work towards its strength, it's very reliable.

I agree (based on experience with my G9).

While I'm sure the best from Sony and Canon would handle some use cases better, it works perfectly well for my use cases (and better than my PDAF-equiped E-M1 ii in some situations, like wildlife video with long lenses).

14 hours ago, Mark Romero 2 said:

Yup. At to me, it is a shame that in the E-M1 MK II, Olympus didn't include DCI 4K at 23.98fps, only at 24fps (maybe at 30fps too, can't remember).

It's only 24p on E-M1 ii/iii. At least on the OM-1 I think DCI, UHD & FHD are all available at 23.98/24/25/30/50/60p which is a major improvement.

14 hours ago, Mark Romero 2 said:

As for the OM-1, why don't they allow 10-bit video in the other picture profiles besides OM LOG and HLG??? 

I agree...Oly/OMDS has a good looking Natural profile, so why not make it even more useful by having a 10-bit version available?

19 hours ago, hoodlum said:

Optyczne posted a detailed video review of the OM-1. 
 

https://www.optyczne.pl/59.1-Inne_testy-OM_System_OM-1_-_test_trybu_filmowego_Wstęp.html

The video resolution test chart results don't look very impressive for a 2022, $2000 camera - I was hoping the OM-1 would be at least as good as a GH5 or G9 in that respect. As the review says "OMDS engineers have something to work on in the near future"

19 hours ago, projectwoofer said:

To me, EIS sometimes worked and sometimes I was getting that strange movement that you also get with post stab in DR when for example there’s something in the foreground with a blurred background. In such a case I would just not use stab in DR but the EIS would already be baked in the footage. But as I said, a more scientific test is a bit difficult.

What does the 'strange movement' look like?

I think the problem with discussing the pros and cons of this is that everyone has different 'use cases' and sensitivity to the artefacts stabilization can introduce sometimes.

I'm biased towards maximum stability and minimum wide-angle warping artefacts, which I think E-stabilization on my G9 helps with, and for my use cases (I mostly shoot video of wildlife and transport subjects) I don't notice any significant E-stabilization artefacts. I also use 'IS Lock' a lot - when shooting handheld with 300mm+ lenses I need all the stabilization I can get 🙂

On 3/14/2022 at 6:27 PM, projectwoofer said:

Yeap, shutter button fan here! As for stabilization on the S5 I'm very happy with IBIS when doing light camera movements and IS Boost when staying still. I'm not using any stabilized lenses, most are vintage manual lenses anyway. I'm not sure about the E-Stabilization though. Anyone used that? I think it mainly helps with longer lenses but even then, wouldn't a DR post stabilization better? Or maybe the E-Stab in camera does it better because it also uses gyro data?

No experience with the S5, but on the G9 I normally have the E-Stabilization on all the time (with native m4/3 lenses) - for me, the extra stability and reduced 'warping' effects with wide-angle lenses outweigh the small extra crop and marginal reduction in resolution. AFAIK yes it does use the gyro data. As Kye pointed out recently on another thread, you can still get motion blur due to camera movement, as the E-Stabilization part can't do anything about that, but I think Panasonic use a combination of lens, sensor shift and electronic stabilization (when E-stab is enabled), which should minimise that problem in theory.

Why not try it and see what you think?

(I also use stabilization in post - Mercalli v5 in my case - but every software stabilizer I've ever tried or used can be 'broken' by some material - I think it's far better to stabilize in camera as much as possible).

The user manual for the OM-1 is available now - https://cs.olympus-imaging.jp/en/support/imsg/digicamera/download/manual/om/man_om1_e.pdf

There are a couple of (as far as I can tell) SOOC downloadable video files at the bottom of this page on Photography Blog - https://www.photographyblog.com/previews/om_system_om_1_photos

They are 10-bit HEVC, 4k 59.94fps so will be either OM-log 400 or HLG (AFAIK those are the only options on OM-1 when using HEVC).

File data from Mediainfo from one of them:

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1 hour ago, John Matthews said:

IMO, although I've never really used any of these cameras, wouldn't the biggest competitor to the GH6 be the GH5s, not the OM-1? If you're willing to pass on great PDAF (and really, I doubt the GH6 is that bad), it would seem the GH5s or even the BMPCC 4k are good alternatives. The OM-1 would seem to be the run and gun, smallish body that can do everything whereas the GH6 is more for thought out, prepared stuff. I'm sure it could also do run and gun too in the right hands, just maybe not as well as the OM-1.

The GH5s doesn't have IBIS (and it's got a different, lower pixel count/larger pixel area sensor versus the GH5/GH5ii/G9)

I think you could say the OM-1 is a stills camera with good video capability and the GH6 is a video camera with good stills capability - both very, very capable but designed to appeal to different market areas/users. (The G9 versus GH5ii is a similar situation in the m43 world).

1 hour ago, MrSMW said:

For me, the OM-1 is my preference…

Positives = more compact, lighter, better AF, probably a better hybrid.

That's my view too (for the same reasons).

They are both the same price at the moment in the UK, so it's very much head-to-head marketing on price, but in reality they are appealing to different areas of the market.

It looks like Panasonic are being aggressive with the GH6 launch pricing/offers versus the OM-1 - in the UK Wex are listing the GH6 body-only at 1999 GBP (with a free 128GB CF Express type B card) versus the OM-1 at the same price (with a free extra battery).

1 hour ago, jgharding said:

I've often stayed in for long periods in the far south east. It is quite hard to get anything done haha

Really it's just decent DR that is a need, whether that is LOG or HLG. Is the issue the colour response of said LOG profile?

You might want to have a quick look at the 'video performance' part of the dpreview 'initial review' video. Also (according to that mini review) if you use H.265/HEVC to get 10-bit recording, the only picture profiles available are 'OM log 400' or HLG. I think H.264/AVC is limited to 8-bit recording.

4 minutes ago, Martin Kuipers said:

The 12-35mm pairs great with my em5iii. Ibis works just as good as the Olympus 12-40mm, autofocus is fast and silent to so no problems there. Its either ibis or lens IS, but I read that Olympus ibis is better / just as good as panasonic sync IS.
 

Manuel focus fly by wire is not so great, very erratic. The panasonic/leice 15mm for example seems to be more linear and pleasing. Also keep in mind that weather sealing is not perfect. For that you unfortunately need Olympus on Olympus or panasonic on panasonic. 

Just to add to that, the Pana 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 and 12-60mm f3.5-5.6 lenses work fine on my E-M1 ii (using IBIS).

One thing I have noticed when using C-AF in video (with my E-M1 ii, hopefully OM-1 behaves better) is that if a lens is well stopped down (e.g. f16)  it can sometimes rack focus a little (presumably to check it's still in focus), so it's best to use lenses with low focus breathing. I don't notice the change in focus when this happens (due to high DOF at f16), but the focus breathing is noticeable with some lenses e.g. the Pana 14-42mm 'pancake' power zoom lens is particularly bad for this.

2 hours ago, John Matthews said:

I just replied to Andrew's tweet: "I'll go the opposite direction and it will be sold out by the shipping date."

Here's what @Mattias Burling just said: "I visited my local camera shop. The owner was surprised at the high interest in the OM1 among his regulars, that are mostly still using pro DSLRs. The low price was what made them consider it. I haven’t read a single article about it so I don’t know. It’s just what he told me."

The Olympus/OM Systems UK rep myself and several other potential customers were talking to yesterday said Oly/OM had already sold all of the first (March) shipment into the UK of OM-1 bodies (and most of the body+lens kits).

I suspect a lot of those are sales to existing Oly owners upgrading (as you would expect) but hopefully this bodes well for future sales.