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Panasonic GH6
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14 hours ago, Video Hummus said:Panasonic should release a S5S (lol) with Sony's 12MP sensor in A7SIII but without a mechanical shutter and a internal ND solution. Throw in some kind of internal RAW of some kind and it will be attractive vs A7SIII even without Sony level AF.
With a good telephoto it can take great pictures. But, I agree. Panasonic should make a future video centric camera more like a FX3 than the GH5S.
Great pictures, Pana Leica 50-200mm ?
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9 hours ago, Thpriest said:
Anyone used both the S5 and the Sony A7Siii? My heart says S5 as an upgrade from the GH5 but I have a client who only uses Sony and having a Sony could mean more work. But I've hardly ever seen anything that I like shot on a Sony DSLR (colours and texture). Whilst I'm loath to have 2 systems I'm thinking of maybe just getting an A7iii with a Tamron 28-70 to get work with this particular client (agency with lots of clients) and getting a S5 for my own jobs for my clients (events, weddings etc). Other than the AF on the Sonys (amazing) I'm just not convinced they are better than Panasonic.
I'd be selling all by m43 gear (GH5, GH5S, loads of lenses etc) and would take advantage of being able to discount all VAT.
Any thoughts are helpful!
90% video 10% photo. Lots of run and gun and I like to get everything right in camera for minimal tweaking in post.
I used the A7SIII, the S5 and the S1. I returned the SIII because of the noise reduction, colors, IBIS, MP and sharpness.
I don't need the 120fps 4K 1.1x and the fast AF-C. My S1 and S5 with the S Pro 2.8 have very fast AF and good enough AF-C. And even if Sony has more lenses I prefer the Lumix ones. I had/have the 24-70mm GM, 70-200mm GM and 50mm Zeiss Sony 1.4, the Lumix Pro equivalent lenses are better (sharpness, bokeh and 3D pop).
About the S5, it's a great camera, but the S1 is even better (slightly better IBIS, better EVF, 6K internal next year etc ...) !
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51 minutes ago, TomTheDP said:
It’s a camera that uses strong noise reduction. Not something you’ll see with Arri or RED or anything made for Cinema. Of course it works if you want a super clean image. Not very organic looking though.
I agree, I had the A7III and noise reduction was very strong. I tried the A7SIII one month ago and even if the image is cleaner, there is still a lot of noise reduction. My S5 and S1 keep more details (although noisier).
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26 minutes ago, MrSMW said:
...and a few days later, I'm keeping it after all.
In fact, a pair of them are going to be my main workhorses as I intended.
I have been trying to find a workaround and not just a 'kidding myself' fix, but something genuine.
I looked at both the HC-X1500 camcorder and the bridge camera (for my static manual and occasional but important AF needs) but just know that based on my current 1" sensor Sony camcorder, the footage is going to be shite. And it's still contrast detect, so nah.
Back on to the stage comes a used XT3 body and I already have a Fringer and 17-50mm f2.8 Sigma so for all my static manual focus needs, et voila and for the 1 minute or so on each job when I also need AF, et voila encore.
As I may have said before, I love this camera (the S5) in every way except the weird pulsing in AF mode but otherwise there is something just 'right' about it. That combo of size, weight, ergos, dials, buttons, operation and of course quality of both video and stills files.
Just need some projects to use the bugger on now...
I love the S5 as well. Coming from Sony FF , it's nice to have good IBIS and to get ride of the ugly noise reduction at high ISO. And the 50mm PRO is the best 50mm lens I have ever owned (even better than Sony Zeiss Planar).
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Sony A7S III
In: Cameras
50 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:At the expense of much worse rolling shutter, laughably bad AF in 2020, a downspec EVF, no raw, few native lens options and so on. The L-mount has a ways to go before its a competitive system with the E-mount and it doesn't look like they're ever going to get the AF sorted. Pretty much anything can produce a great image these days, if you need more than just a body, Panasonic FF is the worst choice among the big players - far behind Sony, Canon, Nikon and even Fuji.
Cheers
Chris
There is advantages and disadvantages on both cameras (the S5 will get the 5.9k raw update too), in the end it's about user preference. As an hybrid shooter, I much prefer the S5.
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Sony A7S III
In: Cameras
18 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:@Dave Maze I think S5 puts out a better image for half the price in a prettier body. Now I wanna see your face drool all over that beauty. 🙂
Camera 1 is Alexa, right! I betcha! Well, you guys watch yourself and guess.:)
No doubt about the better image, better IBIS too.
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Slightly less good dynamic range than S1H and S1.
https://www.cined.com/panasonic-lumix-s5-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/ -
Sony A7S III
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Interesting test about the R5/R6/A7SIII/S5 dynamic range ... -
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21 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:
From another comparison video, the ibis of the s5 was way better the a7iii.
Yes we must wait for Andrew's review.
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"IBIS is on part with the Sony A7III" ...
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10 minutes ago, hyalinejim said:
They're all relatively wide shots, so not too taxing for IBIS. As long as you're using it to steady handheld shots, like here, I'm sure it'll be fine. But Wong's videos show that it's just not a substitute for a gimbal in the same way that a GH5 or S1 might be - if you really need to do a walking shot but don't have a gimbal.
I'm impressed by the highlight retention in the market scene - mixed light, low light and garish light sources that tend to blow out are all handled nicely and it looks very natural.
Me too, I really like the dynamic range of these Panasonic FF cameras. About the IBIS, Gerald Undone used a 50mm without walking on his video and the footage looked jerky.
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10 minutes ago, Trankilstef said:
I really think the image is pretty solid. Maybe the best 2000$ camera for video on the market right now :
IBIS looks pretty good on this video ... Better than the Gerald Undone's test.
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15 minutes ago, Davos said:
No 4K 60 10 bit. No All-I. Instant show stoppers for me. This is before you get to the AF which just doesn't cut it these days. Plus the IBIS doesn't look great, given they're targetting this at vloggers with flippy screen and size, another miss.
I agree with Gerald Undone's assessment that it's a strange combo - will ultimately support anamorphic but no 4K 60 10 bit and All-I?Missed opportunity all round. Strange choices by Pannasonic. As an aside the leaked specs didn't match up.
Based on the video, the S5 IBIS is worse than the S1H but seems good enough. The A7III is helpless though ...
I would like to see a comparison between the GH5/S5.
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5 hours ago, dgvro said:
Sorry, I forgot to explicitly say I don't mean anything to do with lens OIS whatsoever. Just IBIS - just in-body.
And I don't buy into the rated X.X Stops specs stuff since that just doesn't tell much of a tale at all for video, as I discovered with my XT4, it certainly has a bunch of "Stops of stabilisation", but their quantised and robotic way of moving the sensor ruins many of my video shots.
So I'm still sort of wondering - is the S5 better than the S1/H in this regard and were those any better than the GH5?
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10 hours ago, SteveV4D said:
I'd hold off on buying a used S1 now. Something tells me there will be a few more on the market soon and this will drive the price down further.
S5 has the same dust and water proof resistance as the S1, its just not as capable in freezing cold conditions according to reviews.
Whilst improved AF is coming to the S1, I doubt it will be to the standards of the S5, as the camera hardware was designed for this improved AF, whereas the AF is just getting some software improvements.
Is the IBIS better on the S1. I've seen different and conflicting reports on that, some say the same, others say not as good.
S5 will by the end of the year output 5.9k, albeit via a crap HDMI port.
If I bought either the S1 or S5, neither would be A cameras. More B or C depending on needs. So the limitations aren't a big deal. I would need to see how the overheating performs in real world cases before deciding. If it does manage 30 mins and can quickly record afterwards, then its not a deal breaker for me.
Yes I would like to see a comparison between the S5 and the GH5 IBIS.
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3 minutes ago, Lux Shots said:
It's better than the GH5. The GH5 had 5 stops with Dual I.S. 2, while the S1/S1R and S1H had 6.5 stops with Dual I.S. 2.
Take a look at my video testing the IBIS with the S1H and Panasonic 24-105 f/4.
Certainly not, I have the GH5, the A7III and I had the S1. The GH5 still has the edge for stabilization. Maybe the S1H is better for IBIS, but not the S1. The A7III IBIS is the worst by a large margin.
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53 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:
@Andrew Reid do you still have your s1/s1h would you be able to compare ibis on the s5 and the s1/s1h? As Gerald says its not as good, and newsshooter says its the same.
I was very interested by the S5, not so much now because of the IBIS ...
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4 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:
So 60p is a 1.5 crop after all. Not good. 30 min clip limit. Not good. Micro HDMI. Not good. Lower resolution screen and EVF not good.
Small size is nice for me, 10 bit 60p is a step up and AF whilst not on Canon or Sony level showing improvements. Vlog is included. Well done Panasonic. Time to stop charging extra for it. Some great specs in a small size. Future Fireware update adds DCI 4K.. thats good. But why wait...
Hard to know what I think of this camera. Like the other fullframe mirrorless, it has some great features mixed with some notable misses.
Not sure whether its worth the upgrade to fullframe or not. I may hold off for now and see if a GH6 is announced by March next year.
And the IBIS is worse compared to the S1 ...
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3 minutes ago, Mustafa Dogan said:
As an S1 owner, I feel punked because of this S5. I mean even the V-log L upgrade which S1 buyers had to pay, is now included for free. S5 has practically every feature of S1 in a lighter and smaller body plus a better full articulation. Only the EVF and LCD is substantially better in S1. Honestly, if I had known that just after a year this S5 was to be announced, I wouldn't have bought my S1.
For me, the bigger and way more important announcement is that the 1.8 compact primes are finally coming. I hope they will be smaller than Sony's FE primes. At least not larger.
My S1 will most probably going to be listed to be sold next week. If the S5 comes out good, the used market value of S1 will drop significantly this fall.
I think the S5 has only 5 stop IBIS without dual IS and worse electronic viewfinder compared to the S1. I was ready to buy the S5 but if the IBIS is not as good, I will stay with my GH5 for now ...
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3 minutes ago, hyalinejim said:
What time is the announcement tomorrow?
Can we expect an in depth preview from Mr Reid?
If the S5 is really a mini S1 with the same IBIS, I will buy this camera day one.
4k dci vs normal 4k
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I remember Andrew and a german site said DCI 4K was slighlty softer than UHD on the NX1 (and GH5) because the size of the sensor used on DCI 4K was a bit smaller than UHD. However, the rolling shutter must be a tiny bit better on the DCI 4K, again because of the size of the sensor used with DCI 4K.