Marcio Kabke Pinheiro

Thanks for the site / forum / content, Andrew. Even as an amateur, EOSHD is one of the responsibles for falling in love with video.

About the GX9: I second the opinion for a straight comparison with the GX80/85 - almost all sites compare it to the GX8, which I think it is downright silly (the GX9 is not a GX8 sucessor). Especially about resolution / low light performance / crop differences / color science - I have a GX85 and still thinking if it is worth to upgrade.

Looking back I owe everyone a big thank-you for using the forum and taking an interest in the blog, it is amazing what it has turned into with so little effort on my part  I think this place must be the only website on the entire internet without adverts. Long may it continue like that.
Got a GX9 arriving tomorrow... about time I did a review of something cheap with the big shift to high-end stuff. Let me know what you'd like to see in the review of it.

Such a pity that the LX100 resisted all efforts to join the party.

Shameless plug but that is one of the benefits of my controller in that it makes the operation of different Panasonic cameras identical and you could operate two of them at once in the scenario you are looking at.  
This is from my original post to demonstrate the hack.
It shows the output of my G7 and GX80 using Cinelike D pointed at the same charts in contrasty lighting.
If there is a difference then it isn't glaringly obvious. 
 

As someone less than politely pointed out on the other thread, I appear to have been a bit of a lazy arse in the almost 12 months since I tripped over and found the Cinelike d thing.
You may recall it happened because I was researching making a hardware controller and after several iterations, here it finally is.

And yes, it does look rather like a calculator doesn't it?
The different iterations (including an Android app at one point!) have been in pursuit of making something small, standalone, self powered, fast connecting, push buttons and with an integrated screen at a lowish cost and, well, here we are.
Here is the finished spec and features :
Compatible with all Panasonic Lumix cameras that can be controlled by wifi Integrated USB rechargeable battery Full colour screen 20 keys with 3 bank switch keys giving 60 direct switch operations of functions Control of Aperture, ISO, Shutter Speed, White Balance, Colour Profile, Contrast, Saturation, Sharpness and Noise Reduction. Automatic unlocking of Cinelike D and Cinelike V on GX80/85, LX10/15 and TZ10 Control of manual focus in fine and coarse steps  Control of One Shot AF Control of Record Stop/Start Store and Recall 8 focus points 4 selectable transition speeds between focus points Store and Recall 8 setup presets (each consisting of Aperture, ISO, Shutter Speed, White Balance, Colour Profile, Contrast, Saturation, Sharpness and Noise Reduction) Presets are stored in non-volatile memory so are available in any session. Boot time to camera connection and control under 2 seconds. Wifi control range tested to 20m. Optional accessories :
Interface module to support Nintendo Nunchuck controller for manual focus control (native lenses and adapted lenses with smart adapters) and zoom (integrated lens cameras and power zoom lenses only) Wireless interface module to sync remote record and stop on supported Tascam, Zoom and SoundDevices audio recorders.  The controller fits a regular cheap cellphone to threaded adapter holder so as well as being used handheld it can be mounted to anything you have a need for with the right attachment so could be on a cage or a gimbal or whatever.

I'm going to be doing some more testing of it in anger in the next couple of weeks and I'll put up a video of it in action then.
So, I have been a bit less lazy than first imagined
By the by, the controller has both wifi and bluetooth so it begs the question would anyone be interested in a version of it for the Pocket 4K ??

Maybe you can use it with a counterweight to help balancing, if your gimbal can handle the weight of the camera+counterweight.

Moment, which makes lenses for smartphones, sell a counterweight with this purpose: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/11/21/16686030/moment-lens-dji-osmi-gimbal-official-counterweight-iphone-8-plus

What a contraption.

https://***URL removed***/news/1929459569/the-yongnuo-yn43-is-a-micro-four-thirds-smartphone-clip-on-camera-with-canon-lens-mount

Our @Mattias Burling already gave the firmware a spin.

That Eterna colors are really beautiful.
 
 

Right, after battering away at this thing all day from numerous different angles, I now remember why I put it on the back burner in the first place !
When you try and put cinelike d or v on it, it responds in exactly the opposite way you want it to and puts a ton of contrast into the image with a saturation boost just for good measure. 
The histogram looks like a truck has driven right through the middle of it and pushed everything to the shadows and highlights.
And not a small truck either.
A big fat one.
Possibly with a sidecar attached as well.
On both sides.
Trying to correct this in camera with exposure compensation and highlight/shadow curves made a difference but still nothing even approaching usable.
One interesting thing (well, interesting is all relative but after hours of fucking about with this you take your pleasure where you can) is that there is the expected colour response difference between the cinelike d and cinelike v so it knows what its supposed to be doing but this is also accompanied by a hue change. 
Again, trying to correct this with hue adjustment commands wasn't exactly a roaring success.
What I suspect is going on is the other two cameras that share the same guts, the GH4 and the HVX200, have exposed (if you pardon the pun) controls for hue, levels (i.e. 0-255) and master pedestal and its a combo of these that the LX100 just falls apart on when it receives the cinelike command.
The HVX200 is the only one that has an app (iOS only which makes it trickier though not impossible to harvest commands from) that can access those functions remotely so there is no chance of me finding anyone with that combo to have a look it. The camera I do have that has these functions is the FZ2000 but its all done in camera rather than via the app so no chance of harvesting the commands that way either.
So, sadly, no cinelike for the LX100.
Which is all the more reason to give EOS HD pro colour a whirl on it

I might have another tinker with it over the next few days regarding what happens when I was trying to put cinelike d on it.
Its been sat on the naughty step for a few months because I never got back round to trying to probe it a bit more.

Always thought this way about my LX100 - a lens with a free camera.

Have to use it back to tinker a little bit with photo quality - always have the impression that the lens is a bit soft.

Unfortunately the video quality is now lagging behing the GX85 - G9 - G85 - GH5; the noise levels are from the GH4 generation. If it could be updated to the GX85 level, would be amazing.

You could compare camera+lenses sizes (some of them) in the same Camerasize site. 

- Go to  https://camerasize.com/compact/
- In the menu bar at the right of the combo box which you choose the cameras, click on the last icon (camera+lens)
- Choose a camera and click the "+" button
- The camera body will appear in top view, and over it there is a link "click to add a lens"
- Choose the lens that you want
- Add a 2nd camera body and repeat the process.

You can copy the generated URL that your browser will show in the URL bar when you have the comparison you desired and share it, like this:

https://camerasize.com/compact/#698.613,698.366,ha,t
 

Congrats for working with The Damned, too. Great band.

"The camera achieves HD Tier 1 because of the sensor size, while smaller than the preferred 1” size, is greater than the minimum-acceptable 2⁄3” size. The wording of R.118 is not completely consistent on this because testing is required whatever the sensor size, but the camera passes the tests anyway."

Huh?

Large camera. Wide lens mount. So I suppose it’s possible if that’s your thing...

Dialogue in Panasonic headquarters meeting:
(Manager) Well, Cinelike-D and Cinelike-V should stay available only for our bigger body cameras...
(Engineer) Ahn...there is a problem...
(Manager) What?
(Engineer) A guy in a site was messing with our wifi transmission protocol and discovered a way to enable it in our smaller cameras.
(Manager) Oh, fuck. Where?
(Engineer) Looks like a Canon site by their name, EOSHD. @BTM_Pix is the handle of the guy.
(Manager) Can't we disable it with a firmware update?
(Engineer) We can...but since we usually only release updates to fix errors in our smaller cameras, and not to improve them like that Fujifilm assholes, probably will not be a good idea.
(Manager) How did that happened?
(Engineer) An internship guy was assigned to handle the wifi protocols and...
(Manager) Amazing job, geniuses. Now we have to enable it to not look selfish...

The engineer was moved to Panasonic's washer division.

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New firmware v1.1
[Cinelike D] and [Cinelike V] have been added to [Photo Style].
[Flash Mode] can now be set to [Forced Flash Off] for the built-in flash.


http://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/fts/dl/gx9.html

Dialogue in Panasonic headquarters meeting:
(Manager) Well, Cinelike-D and Cinelike-V should stay available only for our bigger body cameras...
(Engineer) Ahn...there is a problem...
(Manager) What?
(Engineer) A guy in a site was messing with our wifi transmission protocol and discovered a way to enable it in our smaller cameras.
(Manager) Oh, fuck. Where?
(Engineer) Looks like a Canon site by their name, EOSHD. @BTM_Pix is the handle of the guy.
(Manager) Can't we disable it with a firmware update?
(Engineer) We can...but since we usually only release updates to fix errors in our smaller cameras, and not to improve them like that Fujifilm assholes, probably will not be a good idea.
(Manager) How did that happened?
(Engineer) An internship guy was assigned to handle the wifi protocols and...
(Manager) Amazing job, geniuses. Now we have to enable it to not look selfish...

The engineer was moved to Panasonic's washer division.

=================================================================
 
New firmware v1.1
[Cinelike D] and [Cinelike V] have been added to [Photo Style].
[Flash Mode] can now be set to [Forced Flash Off] for the built-in flash.


http://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/fts/dl/gx9.html

Dialogue in Panasonic headquarters meeting:
(Manager) Well, Cinelike-D and Cinelike-V should stay available only for our bigger body cameras...
(Engineer) Ahn...there is a problem...
(Manager) What?
(Engineer) A guy in a site was messing with our wifi transmission protocol and discovered a way to enable it in our smaller cameras.
(Manager) Oh, fuck. Where?
(Engineer) Looks like a Canon site by their name, EOSHD. @BTM_Pix is the handle of the guy.
(Manager) Can't we disable it with a firmware update?
(Engineer) We can...but since we usually only release updates to fix errors in our smaller cameras, and not to improve them like that Fujifilm assholes, probably will not be a good idea.
(Manager) How did that happened?
(Engineer) An internship guy was assigned to handle the wifi protocols and...
(Manager) Amazing job, geniuses. Now we have to enable it to not look selfish...

The engineer was moved to Panasonic's washer division.

=================================================================
 
New firmware v1.1
[Cinelike D] and [Cinelike V] have been added to [Photo Style].
[Flash Mode] can now be set to [Forced Flash Off] for the built-in flash.


http://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/fts/dl/gx9.html

Dialogue in Panasonic headquarters meeting:
(Manager) Well, Cinelike-D and Cinelike-V should stay available only for our bigger body cameras...
(Engineer) Ahn...there is a problem...
(Manager) What?
(Engineer) A guy in a site was messing with our wifi transmission protocol and discovered a way to enable it in our smaller cameras.
(Manager) Oh, fuck. Where?
(Engineer) Looks like a Canon site by their name, EOSHD. @BTM_Pix is the handle of the guy.
(Manager) Can't we disable it with a firmware update?
(Engineer) We can...but since we usually only release updates to fix errors in our smaller cameras, and not to improve them like that Fujifilm assholes, probably will not be a good idea.
(Manager) How did that happened?
(Engineer) An internship guy was assigned to handle the wifi protocols and...
(Manager) Amazing job, geniuses. Now we have to enable it to not look selfish...

The engineer was moved to Panasonic's washer division.

=================================================================
 
New firmware v1.1
[Cinelike D] and [Cinelike V] have been added to [Photo Style].
[Flash Mode] can now be set to [Forced Flash Off] for the built-in flash.


http://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/fts/dl/gx9.html

Data for digital cameras come from CIPA 2017
http://www.cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201712_e.pdf
Actually they show the entire digital camera market at 800 billion yen or about US$8bn (but that is at shipping values which would be lower than retail.)
Mirrorless is 220 billion yen or US$2bn. Yes its growing but I do think it is really about splitting up the digital camera pie which is why Canon/Nikon is interested in mirrorless. Arguably Canon/Nikon/ Panasonic/Sony/Ollympus/Fuji are just fighting over a US$2bn market.
Total number of interchangeable lens cameras sold in 2017 = 11m (CIPA). Total number of smartphones sold in 2017 1,536m = a multiple of 140x!!
https://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3859963
The cold reality is that Samsung is not in the digital camera market because they are in the smartphone market - and the cold reality is that Panasonic/Canon/Nikon/Sony/Olympus are in the digital camera market because they are not in the smartphone market.

I'll bite.
CIPA says almost 3.3 million mirrorless cameras were shipped in 2014, in 2017 its was about 4.1 million. Its been growing over the last few years, but not exactly setting the world on fire. This year is trending pretty far behind last year - mirrorless may very well have peaked in 2017 as the overall market continues to contract. If CaNikon goes FF like many rumors indicate - we're still talking lower volume/higher margin bodies at the upper end of the enthusiast scale. 
I'd love to be wrong, but there just doesn't seem to be a business case for a unknown camera brand to start producing ILC's. CaNikon going mirrorless is different than Samsung trying to resurrect the NX line. The big 2 have a massive advantage in terms of brand recognition, retail penetration and user bases to draw customers from, and over 100 million lenses produced by each to build upon with mirrorless offerings. If given the choice between a $3000 body from Samsung and the same from Sony, Canon or Nikon - few will opt for Samsung. 
And when you read Samsung's financial reports, their imaging and sensor production is focused on mobile and automotive applications. Backup cameras are pretty much standard equipment these days, and features that are becoming so popular like self-driving, lane warnings, surround view, night vision and so on mean the demand for multiple cameras in cars is rising sharply. If you can sell 250,000 ILC's - which would be about half of what Olympus forecasted for 2017, and probably far more than what Samsung actually could move - after extensive marketing, R&D and so on - or you can sell a few million to Toyota, a few million more to GM, a few million more to VW and so on, its easy to see what direction Samsung is going.
I've been to 55 countries on 6 continents over the last couple years, every city I visit, I find stores carrying cameras - from specialty camera shops, to electronics stores, to department stores and CaNikon still dominate. Outside of Japan smaller brands like Fuji, Panasonic and Olympus were few and far between. Samsung was an afterthought to the buying public when they actually had a presence, re-entering would be an uphill battle requiring a massive capital expenditure for marketing. And then you have existing users/reviewers asking a logical question - how long until they pull the plug again? Despite Samsung being a tech Goliath, retailers aren't going to suddenly stock Samsung ILC's alongside CaNikon because they say please - that will cost large amount of cash. Again, not much of a business case for making a move back into ILC's.
Just my $0.02
Chris

I dont see it myself. The numbers dont really add up. The digital camera market (ILC/compacts) is a US$10bn a year market of which Canon/Nikon/Sony hold 85%. If Samsung re-entered the market and we heroically optimistically assumed they gained a 10% share - it would only amount to US$1bn a year - less than 0.5% of Samsungs US$200bn+ annual sales. Compare that to the US$500bn a year smartphone industry.
However there are, I think, two 'possibilities that could bring Samsung back into the market.
First, Samsung and Nikon are almost a 'perfect' fit. Samsung key competencies are electronics and Nikon's core competency is photography - ideal when cameras are turning into electronic products. Samsung brings image sensors, image processing, lcds etc and Nikon brings lenses, brand, market share and distribution. Furthermore, Nikon is ultimately going to be seriously disadvantaged long term relying on Sony for sensors (Sony being a major and growing competitor in cameras). So a joint venture/strategic partnership between the two makes a lot of sense (assuming that Samsung is interested in the digital camera to showcase its tech.)
Second, and related to this, Samsung could quite easily acquire Nikon. Samsung is a US$300bn market cap company and Nikon is a US$6bn market cap. company. So acquiring Nikon is chicken feed to Samsung. So if Samsung wants to reenter the market, it makes a lot of sense to buy into the market rather than try to recreate their market share from scratch.
But even the Nikon/Samsung tie up in one form or another I see as pretty unlikely because Samsung really hasnt shown a lot of ambition in the image sensor market (despite some press reports to the contrary.) Take the flagship S9/S9+ as an example. It continues to use both Samsung and Sony image sensors (and people dont seem able to tell the difference.)
https://***URL removed***/news/0634864640/tech-insights-teardown-confirms-galaxy-s9-uses-samsung-and-sony-image-sensors
So if Samsung cant be bothered to showcase their image sensor tech in their flagship smartphones, I dont think they are likely to do it in digital cameras.

New account, 3 posts...hope that it will not be a 4k movie of Rick Astley (or some DNG from a NX1 Raw).

Probably not - still have the half of the price factor.

For size comparisons, it is in Camerasize already.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#782,727