Danyyyel

Review in german, perhaps someone could summerise it for us. From what I understood from the translation is that IBIS worked really great for video and the most important no overheating in very hot condition. 

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2 minutes ago, jonpais said:

motion cadence looks horrendous.

It did not occur to you that it was a guy with zero video shooting knowledge like the 180 degree rule etc, who just posted a master piece like below. Event the cat shooters would be ashamed of that. 

This channel has a whole series of test, some I would call torture test of the focus, low light etc. This is in video and photo mode. For me this is beyond the level I think I would use it. I don't know how other MILC autofocus work but for me it is quite impressive.

On 9/9/2018 at 1:05 PM, PannySVHS said:

Gee, I was always impressed by the HD image of the D750, later very impressed by the quality of the the 850s video in 4K. With Nikons new babies we get all that FF glory and Nikon colors and robust codec in external 10bit now and some new LOG format.

All that with IBIS and many mirrorless goodies in FF size. I´m super exited! Exited to see what you guys gonna do with it!
 

As a Nikon user it is a dream come true. So impatient to get a z6, the Nikon image was already so good, now getting all the goodies like great video autofocus, ibis etc will make it a killer system. I hope they rapidly get some apsc version and not leave it to the higher end version.

Nikon said the Z6 will do full sensor readout while z7 will do line skipping in full frame. It doesn't ,ean the z7 will be bad in video, in fact everything point out it will be very good, but things like rolling shutter might be better on z6, because it is much faster to read 25 megapixel than 45 ones.

On 9/4/2018 at 3:22 PM, Andrew Reid said:

The music video footage is pristine. But was it shot in APS-C or full frame mode?

If full frame from 46MP, then I am amazed. It's flawless. Not a hint of aliasing and even better than the D850.

Same question for the guy who posted the N-LOG clip for download in ProRes format. Was that full frame or APS-C?

What settings Jeff?

I wouldn't even consider the z7 for hybrid or video shooters. I would go for the Z6, even Nikon stated that the Z6 was more appropriate for video.

Amazing autofocus AF in low light in my opinion, well above my own personal use. I think for video it should be the same as photo as they share the same system.

Yep I would like to see it tested, it could act a bit like an inbuilt HDR mode with the flat profile enabled. More so as N log can only be used at ISO 800, which will need some serious NDs.

2 hours ago, Castorp said:

Nikon Z looks the best out of the new offerings to me. I think the lenses are perfect too. 

The faster primes will be 2000$ or more I bet. How is it good to launch with lenses costing more than two grand?

F1.8 is fast enough. More importantly it keeps the lens somewhat small. 

As usual it seems many lust for bragging rights rather than practicality. 

Yes all these people criticism about  the lens lineup, while most of them are using second hand vintage lens on their camera and so many are complaining because they can't adapt their existing lens to XYZ camera. If they were that rich to buy 1.5 - 2k primes, I think it should not have been a problem to re buy all lens line up. If someone can tell me the advantage in film making between a 1.8 and 1.4/1.2 lens, I am really curious. Perhaps they have fun shooting 90% of the time there subject out of focus.

5 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Do you want to be banned? Heading the right way.

You're an irritant.

What does 10bit HDMI have anything to do with anything?

I am talking about the superb internal Nikon colour and codec.

I couldn't give a crap about hooking up an HDMI recorder just for 10bit, you can barely tell the difference in quality anyway.

I have a lot of interesting lenses to use on it. Nikon F mount ones. Sigma ones. PL. There will be adapters to all sorts.

You are a jealous Canon fanboy and an idiot of the first order.

Let's vote on it. Should MdB get the boot? He's obviously trolling now. Every day. I am sick of reading this shit and it cluttering up every thread!

Don't you have a way to let him post but be invisible to every one. He would still think that he is posting and no one would be responding, a troll worst nightmare. The guy doesn't contribute anything to this forum, he says he has zero interest in the Nikon but continuously post on them.

3 hours ago, IronFilm said:

The D750 is a big leap ahead camera from the D600

 

The D850 is still a rather new camera, which until lately  was struggling to be kept in stock in many stores due to high demand for it. 

And the Z7 is a drastically new camera platform! You can't fault them for keeping a few things constant in the change over. 

 

Nikon stuck with their core lens mount longer than anybody else on the planet!

And now Z mount will develop into being their next main core lens mount which they'll keep on supporting from now until infinity and  beyond.

 

Agreed. 

But the Canon is waaaaaaaaay further away from perfection. 
While the Nikon is edging the closest to "perfection", almost almost there?

Holy crap!

That news totally flew over my head that the Mavic 2 Pro has 10bit internal!! ?

I do believe that is even better than the Phantom 4 Pro can do? Thus surely the next Phantom will get 10bit as well. 

 

That guy is a troll, don't loose your time on him, as you already seen he has zero knowledge or knowingly spouting non sense to get some attention. Someone calling Nikon D850 sensor old tech, says it all. He says he has zero interest in the Nikon but continuously comment on them.

As for the Mavic pro 2, it has a sensor at least 8 times smaller than the all these MILC and has 4 rotor than must be the largest/loudest camera fan in the world.

1 hour ago, MdB said:

Three native lenses champ. A slow zoom and two expensive f/1.8 primes. Astonishing. Talking adapted? What a joke. Get a clue. 

Bahahaha yeah except Nikon are locking down the mount and protocols. 

Got a bit more of a clue then some mindless fanboy spouting his mouth off. 

Great and still only useful for F mount fanboys... which is what I said to begin with. Not going to build up a base of F mount lenses just to mount on a camera that is flavour of the month with some small ‘spec’ advantage. The ‘system’ has ZERO enticing about it (again unless you’re already a die-hard Nikon fanboy, in which case it will be the ‘best’ anyway). 

As for all that for $2k. I wouldn’t care if it was $500 I still have no use for it. If you gave me one for free I’d sell it to fund something useful. 

I’m pretty sure there has never been a more pointless turd of a camera...

You get a clue, every reviewer has said that the AF works the same as on native Fmount camera, it is even weather sealed. Now the AF system is quite different in use than traditional Nikon system, so some who have only used it for 1 hour might have got it wrong, but if it failed or had quirks, it affected both system. Dpreview even makes the bold claim (at least until the Canon eosR) that the z7 had the best video AF period. Or perhaps if you spent a week with the camera you could tell us your experience !!!

At least two people have tested  sigma art lens with the adapter and it worked as good as on traditional Fmount camera. I am realistic, given the history of Nikon and Canon, I don't expect them to share their new lens mount as they cover all the range and contrary to Sony and M4/3 (M4/3 is by nature open) they had some catch up to do, so they willingly open theirs. I personally don't care because I can use a ton of the lens we have in the Fmount range and I guess it will be the same for a lot of Nikon users. In fact I am grateful that gave that choice so I don't have to change system overnight and don't feel pressured at all to invest thousands to renew my lens collection. It give me time to upgrade at my rhythm and need as time goes by and I see where the Z or F mount evolve. They also published their lens roadmap, and 90% of peoples need will be filled in one year.

As a Nikon user, I have been very critical about the video side of Nikon cameras even if image wise it was very good, the rest was bad compared to the competion. In the mean time I bought a canon 7d then a gh2 until I got my D750. I have even been tempted by the A73 at the start of the year even if I dislike Sony zombie colors. But credit where credit is due, Nikon has done a great job for video, it is still the only FF camera with 10 bit 422 LOG capable until now. If tomorrow Panasonic brings out a FF gh5 with super AF, I would recommend it over the Z6 for about the same price, I will recommend it to anyone who is not tied to any legacy lens system. By the way, I don't give a shit about your need, its a forum, a place for people to share but not spout nonsence about low info people that live only on sound bite and don't take 5 minutes to do some research and share something constructive to the group.

2 hours ago, IronFilm said:

And even when the a7mk4 does arrive next year (or maybe even 2020) then I'd not at all be surprised if it still lacking 10bit. 

 

I think Sony has no way than to go 10 bit and even internal by 2020. With Nikon and now Canon offering it, it would be crazy for them not to. I think the next step by 2020 will be 4k 60p and 10 bit internal for FF MILC cameras. If else it would be suicide, I don't see anyone now moving from Nikon moving to them. Canon I am not sure with the a bit underwhelming EOS R spec. But either way, no more free lunch for them in the FF MILC market.

1 hour ago, Trek of Joy said:

The a74 is still likely over 1.5+ years away and I'd be surprised if they did 10-bit. But I doubt we see a new model less than 2 years apart. We'll see what the a7s3 brings, if it lacks 10-bit, the line in the sand between the Alpha's and the FS will not change anytime soon.

The real shocker is Fuji bringing 10-bit 4k60p to the XT3, rumored to be recorded internally. If that shares the same sensor with the new Sony APS-c cam and Sony goes toe-to-toe with features, either could be a really great option.

I'm not buying anything until all of the new models are in the wild and I have a chance to rent them.

Cheers

Chris

Yep, video is becoming at the age of maturity in the DSLR/MILC market cameras and spec won't move that much as in photography. It will only be incremental , but the cameras will be so good that if you can't do nice video with them, it is your fault and not the camera. Until Pana lauch its FF camera, this round I would give to Nikon in the FF MILC and if rummors turn out true about Fuji, the Fuji for the Apsc MILC.

21 hours ago, MdB said:

Same can be said about the complaints pegged at Canon. 

They needed to so they didn’t shut down the whole division. 

Zeees are just a mirrorless body for F mount users. Same as the R. Nobody expected anything more surely? That’s all the fanboys needed. The compelling thing for RF other than the EVF is the lenses, makes one want to actually buy some new lenses, not just adapt them. Nikon Zeee bodies have arguably better specs, but there is nothing enticing about their mediocre lens lineup. Canon on the other hand have made all four lenses really indispensable and a huge part of buying into the new format. For Canon that in itself is a much more useful thing to do. 

What is mediocre about 80 lens line up + 100 more third party and if you want you can adapt almost any other lens brand because it has the smallest flange. Before talking such nonsence people should take 5 second and inform themselves so as not to look like a fool.

And tell me what should have the fanboys have wanted that much more than great body and sealing, great/best evf, FF DX 4k, 120 fps fhd, IBIS, great video AF and 10 bit/nlong with my Ninja flame. All of that for $ 2000? Tell me another camera that does that much for this price nowwwwwwwwwwwww, and not some mythical camera that will come in the future and at this price. Because lets be clear the A73 just came out 6 month ago and I don't think it will be upgraded to A74 for at least a year.

1 hour ago, Shield3 said:

I just can't buy a FF 1080 only camera in almost 2019.  Just can't.  Would way rather get the A7S III when it's released.  1.2-1.3x crop I could have dealt with.  At launch shooting UHD, the widest you can go natively (without adapters) is 24mm @ F/4 x 1.67 - effectively 40mm @ F/6.7 in FF terms.  Blech.

Just asking, do you have some kind of aversion to Nikon. I mean nearly everything you are asking for is on the z6 for about same price as the eos R.

5 hours ago, Yurolov said:

The focus pull at the end is creamy, and no breathing. Looks super nice. Much to recommend this camera. 

They said that all their new lens where design with video in mind. There are only haters that just want to spread all type of fud about Nikon and video. They have put speed setting for the AF in video where you can speed it up or down, this with 10 bit, ibis, Nlog etc. make for a very powerful package for video shooters. They even added a pin in their tripod mount, might seem mundane but try using a dslr or Mirrorless camera a whole day for pro work and you would see how anoying and distracting when your camera is always spinning. If even this they thought about, then they really took video very very seriously.

Face detect AF speed in video, and some people are calling the z7 a dud for video.

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

@Danyyyel I wasn't just talking about resolution; and no, just any lens from the past twenty years is not good enough for 4K video. I've reviewed one or two lenses in my day, and they all have their individual character. And some are sharper than others.

 

MTF and lens resolution are not the end all be all of what makes a good lens or if it has some charater or not. What it is, is a quantifiable measure that can give you a hint that it is good or bad, it is the same as a car that can do 0-60 in less than4 second, you know it must be very fast.

In this video, the guy said he used the image right out of the camera without any grading because he wanted to show how the camera worked out of the box. The first time I saw it, I thought that it looked too normal, I meant good but too natural for a music video.

1 minute ago, jonpais said:

Please explain. 

It is self explanatory, nearly any 10-20 year lens are at least good enough to resolve a 8 megapixel image (4k video). But those lens will show their true potential in still photography because you have much higher megapixel, is that hard to understand?

10 hours ago, jonpais said:

Skin tones are all over the map, from green to yellow to magenta.

Yes, if you watch the video you will see that he used different picture profil, and in the case of the Nlog, he clearly could have underexposed by 1 or 2 stop and prevent the white building from clipping in the background. It Italy in summer and she is in the shadows with a whte building behind. It looks quite good to capture that much DR.

9 hours ago, jonpais said:

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I think Nikon should release some f/8 primes too!   

Forget the computer-generated MTF charts: none of the videos released yet convince me the new S line lenses are in any way superior to what I'm seeing with the Sony G or Voigtlanders.

You are looking for sharpness in a video, you mean 4k video at best which is 8 megapixel while the z7 can do 45 megapixel...

The video above on vimeo, thats why I live by Nikon colours

saw another video saying z7

The video above on vimeo, thats why I live by Nikon colours

1 hour ago, Cinegain said:

And those fanatic people would be right, so who cares about how they're being viewed. Specs and value wise Sony do leap the traditional approach from the likes of Canon and Nikon (mind you I don't own a Sony and probably won't be getting one in the foreseeable future). Even Fujifilm is getting ahead in the game. Panasonic fans can still make some great cases for the specs and handling of their cameras... but know FF is a different audience or perhaps people respect the points they make about the MFT system being awesome. ?

Tell me how is Sony fanboys right at least for Nikon, oh yes that mystical Sony camera that will have better body, build/sealing, viewfinder, LCD, 10 bit, etc, etc. Everyone is making as if Nikon z7 is the only camera that Nikon has announced. While the z6 has what every reviewer are saying is better ergonomic, build, viewfinder, LCD and 10 bit out, which really makes LOG not just a marketing gimmick for the same price as a A7iii. That same camera which was herald as a game changer in terms of value to money in the FF photo video hybrid camera only six month ago. The only point of contention for now is about autofocus, DPreview goes as far as saying that the Z7 has the best video autofocus in all Dslr/MILC. OH, yes it does not has eye auto focus, I heard even if face detect works extremely well.

People on here remind me like those that are still parroting that coal, nuclear or even gas is cheaper than renewable energy because they watch news or analysis 10 years ago and they did not take 5 min to google and see that the cost was divided by ten during this time. Today, perhaps not for long until Canon (very unlikely) and Panasonic release their rumored FF MILC, have the best (might not be in everything) package for a full frame Mirror less camera video/hybrid camera in the z6.

An auto focus in video

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3 hours ago, Deadcode said:

Some footage from the Nikon Z7

The ISO test in the end is interesting. Okay, static camera, boring scene, but check the white wall at the far end. Above ISO3200 all of the detail are gone.... The noise reduction is very heavy but... the noise levels are high. Ok, this is the higher MP model.

Okay, the 120 fps sample is crap with lot of noise but it's indoors and probably high iso.

We will see how the Z6 can perform.

What do you think?

*sorry if it's already posted

You are basing your analysis on youtube video, a littlepremature no, I see youtube eating up the detail long before its codec would do.

Battery life test, more than 2 hours 4k 25 fps continuous.

So found a bunch of video in Italian that come from a blog or magazine. So one very good news, and one not so good. The good news is that the 120 fps looks good resolution wise and that slowmo video shows how good the video autofocus is. I mean at normal speed it would be impossible to see any miss. The bad news is rolling shutter, Dpreview already stated that the DX mode was good but full frame one a little bit less. More test would be good to judge it and cannot compare without side by side test.