Brian Williams

I’m pretty happy with my setup. Bought a MagSafe magnet off of amazon for $12, glued it to the T5, and then found a short usb-c 20Gbps for $7. Super secure and inconspicuous.

5 hours ago, markr041 said:

I am confused - you say there is C4K RAW video, but the aspect ratio of your video is hardly that - is RAW only available with this truncated AR?

The biggest problem, aside from the fact of a low frame rate, is the dynamic range - the face has conspicuous blow-outs for example. I do not see how this kind of video could be matched with any competent mirrorless camera shooting 4K.

I can see why this is fun; I had it using magic lantern on an EOS M - shooting RAW with a $300 camera! But, it sucks.

I mean, ok. I said it could shoot C4K, which it can, I just chose a different aspect ratio for this particular video.

It can shoot raw up to 60fps, I choose 24fps, I don't consider either a low frame rate.

The face is blown out I guess at some point, I need to go back to find it, but likely user error, I overexposed.

I also owned the EOS M to use the magic lantern hack, and that DID suck, bc you didn't get a realtime preview, or if you did it was insanely cropped, and the Dr sucked. This looks much better than that, we can agree to disagree, and it has optical stabilization, focus peaking, realtime preview, 4K, 60p.

I'm not claiming this is somehow better than a modern mirrorless, but very few modern mirrorless shoot raw, hell most are just now getting to 10bit. This looks better than the videos I get when using the stock video app. And I'm fucking poor and can't afford a modern mirrorless, so yeah, I have this (relatively cheap) phone that all of a sudden can shoot raw, I'm going to enjoy it.

Just now, kye said:

No worries!

A little bit of excess enthusiasm is the least of our issues!!

What are you planning on using the RAW for?  or is it just a recent discovery?

Just a recent discovery. I think I still had an iPhone the last time I even thought about raw video on a phone, and there wasn’t a useable app anywhere at the time (esp. not on the iPhone, I assume there probably never will be). The closest I got was the iPhone 13 Pro with ProRes, but after dropping close to $2k for the 1TB version so that it could hold all that ProRes, I started to think it wasn’t worth the money, for what I was doing at least (which is filming my kids basically).

So I was kind of floored yesterday when I just happened to discover Motioncam, especially the fact that I could dust off my old T5 ssd and plug it into the phone to record straight to the ssd. Such a cheaper setup, and I’m getting 4K raw. I kind of thought I was giving up on mobile filmmaking when I went over to android, but I guess not!

I’m super late to this game, but I just discovered Motioncam- raw test from my Pixel 7 Pro, straight into 500gb T5 ssd

12 minutes ago, kye said:

@Brian Williams On the contrary..  Lots of interest, as expressed in this thread!

Smartphone sensors have enormous potential if we could just get all the ridiculous over-processing out of the way to get to the image.  I've developed a powergrade that matches my iPhone to my GX85 to suit the work I do, but RAW would be the far easier option, that's for sure!

Ugh, sorry, I should’ve known there was an existing thread!

Maybe this has been discussed before, (Or maybe people don't care about such things at this point in technology), but I just discovered this app for my Pixel 7 Pro called Motioncam Pro that can do C4K raw CDNG, and to an external SSD at that.

Again, maybe this app has been around for awhile and I'm late to the game, and I know its just a tiny sensor, but for someone broke like me, who can no longer afford my old GAS lifestyle, this is a pretty fun and cheap way to get back into the grueling fun of raw video.

The app can even export gyro data for use in Gyroflow, for stabilization.

Nothing too exciting here-

The R10 does shoot 10bit. No log though.

Overall, maybe I'm just spoiled, I don't tend to get all that excited by cell phone footage. Ultra wide depth of field, the digital stabilization only works in good lighting conditions (also the reason why I'm am never all that happy with every 360 camera I've owned). I know lot of people think shallow depth of field is overated, and they'll list a bunch of classic movies that were shot on super 16 back in the 60's that have deep DOF, but I think it's magical, and those movies they always list are classics because of their stories, not their cinematography. They're classics in spite of their cinematography

I have the S22 Ultra which also has an 8K setting, but I've only used it like once because it didn't look very good to me when I was pixel peeping, and I assumed they were just upscaling from 4K; I'll have to give it another try.

I use FilmicPro though most of the time, which gives you log and 580Mbps bitrate, but alas "only" 4K.

19 hours ago, Django said:

So nobody here purchased the camera? I'm so close to pulling trigger. With the metabones it seems like a killer hybrid:

 

I don't know, I've gotten my hopes up too many times the past few years about Fuji's latest and greatest, X-T4 (I've owned all of the X-T series models) was a big disappointment to me, I thought the X-T3 was actually a better camera. And this new one, from the reviews I've read so far, seem to indicate the same culprits- AF that isn't as reliable as Fuji makes it out to be, and stabilization that is jerky and only really useful for static shots.

Also, not really loving anything in particular in the above video.

7 hours ago, herein2020 said:

dead L mount alliance

Dead?

9 hours ago, herein2020 said:

What made you take back the R7?

I realized I couldn't really afford it at the moment, that's really the only reason I returned it. Just like the GH6 I had right before it that also got returned for same reason. It sounds like GAS, but those two really are the only cameras I've bought in the past year, been camera-less for a year, it's hard, I needed a taste.

If those two cameras had a baby... Well the first baby might end up with Panny's AF and Canon's rolling shutter, but if they had a second baby with Panny's stabilization and ProRes specs with Canon's AF... and then maybe it turns out the father isn't really the GH6 but in fact an S1 and the baby got his sensor... man, to dream.

7 hours ago, hyalinejim said:

I didn't say that!

Haha... "I heard from someone that hyalinejin said that herein2020 said... that your camera sucks!"

I don't know how I ended up with a quote within a quote.

On 8/20/2022 at 10:40 AM, hyalinejim said:

On 8/20/2022 at 9:47 AM, herein2020 said:

To me out of the cameras I have worked with, I would say the S5 is its closest competitor and the S5 outperforms it in low light, has a FF sensor, and higher quality body at $100USD less. 

Wait a second- just to argue something that is completely uneccesary here, the R7 is $1500 and the S5 is $1700. That math doesn't equal $100 less! Where are you getting your S5's, let me in on this deal, I need a new camera and you guys just sucked the excitement out of me about the R7 (which I did actually own a few weeks ago for a whole few days. I was surprised by how much I liked the IBIS with the IS kit lens, and I'm coming from an Panny/Olympus background... but damn you guys ruined this for me, I came here to convince myself to give the R7 another try and now you have me scraping around for an S5. And as a former S1 owner who knows now he shouldn't have sold that S1, theres some serious pride swallowing going on here for me to even consider a lowly S5, the camera I turned my nose up at when it first came out as I tucked my S1 into bed with me).

On 6/9/2022 at 10:03 AM, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

My wild guess is that a future firmware update will bring waveforms and anamorphic modes.

Maybe, but they could have done waveforms for the X-T3 or the X-T4, so I wouldn’t hold my breath.

Anyone else have a context-less pdf to share?

just kidding, I read sonyalpharumors too.

1 hour ago, MrSMW said:

I think we have a higher class of Trolls here.

And less of them.

But seriously, DP Review comments sections are an utter bitch-fest of misinformation.

IMO 😜

Also- and I realize I may be completely wrong here- do any stores have the camera yet? And even if one does, I can’t imagine it’s finalized firmware right?

Not that I am now defending this camera, everything the troll describes sounds as I would expect.

4 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

I just really don't see any advantage to APSC cameras anymore. MFT I can see for birding, sports stuff. FF cameras have gotten so cheap I see no use for the sensor size now.  A Sony A7 body is just as small, and their mirrorless lenses are amazingly small and light for FF. 

Well it seems the bigger the sensor gets, the shittier the IBIS gets. Panasonic and OM have the best, while Sony has probably the worst (for video). I understand that for some people, for the things they do with their cameras, that doesn't matter, but to someone like myself, its a big advantage.

I was really tempted when I saw this announcement the other day, but after reading a handful of reviews, I realized I was experiencing the X-T4 all over again, just with 6K ProRes this time. Same iffy AF, same sticky IBIS, basically all the things Andrew mentioned. I think I’ll stick with my GH6, if I have to rely on manual focus, I might as well go with the camera that offers better stabilization.

OM-1, GH6, in 2022, both overpriced for what the competition is offering these days. My phone is shooting ProRes at this point, it’s not exactly a killer feature anymore, esp with how good hevc is these days.

I think I first contracted G.A.S. before I discovered EOSHD, but not long before, and this site helped guide me through it quite nicely. I’m now mostly recovered, only falling off the wagon every now and then, but overall I’ve defeated the disease (I couldn’t care less about the A7iv). But I learned a lot, things I don’t think I’d know now if it weren’t for this site, things like 10-bit, Magic Lantern, All-I, why Panasonic is so amazing when all of my friends think it’s just a TV manufacturer from the 80’s. Lots of important stuff. I think I probably bought just about every camera that Andrew recommended (at least those which I could afford), and none disappointed. When he says he’s lost his creative desire, I read that as he just had a painful breakup with a woman. If true, I can’t take that pain away, but I can say it will pass. Maybe EOSHD will survive, maybe it will be sold. Either way it will never be the same, and I guess that’s ok, what’s important is that is was what it was, and that means a lot to a lot of people. Best wishes for the future.

On 9/14/2021 at 10:33 PM, BenEricson said:

Like other have said above, they need less processing, not more. We don’t need fake depth of field, we need the option to remove noise reduction, skin processing, and HDR features. That being said, I obviously haven’t used the camera. I’m sure it’ll be fun. Just something I’ve noticed over the years. It’ll always still look like a phone, it just gets slightly better.

I would say we do need fake depth of field, bc that is maybe the biggest difference in look between a video show on a phone and one shot on a mirrorless, aside from low light capabilities.

I’m not sure iPhone footage is know for having high noise reduction applied (Samsung for sure, Apple not so much). If you shoot with Filmic Pro, there’s no noise reduction, definitely nothing being done to skin, and you can shoot 10bit SDR if you don’t want HDR.

Even now, it does still look like a phone. But a few more iterations and I bet you it won’t.

On 9/14/2021 at 10:38 PM, Eric Calabros said:

And by the way, adding Prores to codec options of a phone, is not innovation. While I understand the decision, its sign of a big failure of this industry that couldn't finally implement a solution optimized for mobile devices. We have super powerful SoCs consuming only 3 watts in a hour, but have to use an ancient codec designed for ancient ASICs. 

You don’t have to use an “ancient” codec, you can continue to use the 10bit HEVC, which is definitely not ancient, and the next best thing after ProRes.

17 minutes ago, Brian Williams said:

I agree with that for the existing portrait mode for photos, especially around hair, they haven’t nailed it yet. But that video Apple showed today, to me it looked WAY better than what we’ve seen so far, for video or photos. Could just be selective footage they showed though.

also, the original BMPCC had what, basically a 1” inch sensor and shot ProRes. So a 1/2” sensor on a phone shooting ProRes isn’t hilarious to me, especially when it’s got decent portrait mode that potentially makes the footage look like it was shot on a much bigger camera.

I sold my mirrorless camera last year and replaced it with the IP12ProMax, and I can imagine going back to a “big” camera. I’m excited for each of these small steps.

Should be “and I CAN’T imagine going back to a ‘big’ camera”

28 minutes ago, BenEricson said:

I’m hyped to try it, but I can’t stand portrait mode. It’s really nice in theory, but always looks funky and fake. 

I personally love phone footage because it feels candid and fun, fake depth of field may just feel processed and funky. Also, capturing huge ProRes with a tiny tiny sensor is hilarious.
 

I agree with that for the existing portrait mode for photos, especially around hair, they haven’t nailed it yet. But that video Apple showed today, to me it looked WAY better than what we’ve seen so far, for video or photos. Could just be selective footage they showed though.

also, the original BMPCC had what, basically a 1” inch sensor and shot ProRes. So a 1/2” sensor on a phone shooting ProRes isn’t hilarious to me, especially when it’s got decent portrait mode that potentially makes the footage look like it was shot on a much bigger camera.

I sold my mirrorless camera last year and replaced it with the IP12ProMax, and I can imagine going back to a “big” camera. I’m excited for each of these small steps.