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Speaking of devil, WB setup is one of the reasons P4K is pretty awesome. The way you can select and play with it makes everyone a better shooter with no further excuses, rescues your outcome from lazy operators and speaks volumes how the ease of use stands as a valuable add-on when we choose the capture device of (y)our liking, hey @webrunner5 ; ) but first we need to test it before a(ny) online evaluation more prone to become off at distance of a qwerty keyboard : -D

What do you mean?

Lovely family and outcome : ) What glass setup?

Beautiful... : ) Dropped frames?

What build?

Well, some people take this stuff a bit more serious than strictly in a geek perspective : -)

Markku Alén won five times (1975-78, 1981* with the mythical Abarth and again twelve years later in 1987 with the older Integrale's brother) the Portuguese major competition. As matter of fact, our rally follows his native 1000 Lakes where he took 6 triumphs and has the 2nd rank along his WRC victories only a year later. Until then, Portugal ranked first. Without mention where he got his 1st important victory in a world class rally ever, to succeed many others in the following dozen years. He was one of my 1st heroes, so it is very nice to see him around and pretty on the spot, buddy! (E : -) * Someone still keeps the wheel he lost in 1981 when he got his 3rd cup, can you imagine?

LOL I wish this community would pay my bills to match the countless responsibilities I have to fill the cup! Time is short. I will tell you something though. One of these days I'll have posted some paid gig shot with this same unit. Count on it : ) When people will probably be hysteric with some other new release over here. That's my cup of tea, takes years to fulfill... : -)

WOW oh time to remind when... ...kid I was going to the world's famous rally ever: http://www.car-poster-gallery.com/original_raceposter_rallye_portugal_1992_lancia_delta_integrale_poster_12923.html

@mercer I've just read your wondering on 1080p ProRes from this new P4K. It is so good, I don't even feel the need to shoot 4K there, go figure : ) Only private stuff so far, so I'm sorry to not have it for posting online. I don't want you or anyone else now can feel I am patronizing over here but trust me, this is the capture device a camera shooter can be looking for. E : -)

There should be distinct products, of course. My pleasure is checking how close they are. This is truly sweet. Other than that, clickbait and nonsense rule the internet world these days : -D

A 50x difference...? LOL Coming from a writer/author to operate in the indie realm, ML lover no more than me, that's very funny to say the least : ) Sorry mate, I don't want to look like harsh with a forum buddy : D Just sayin' though ; ) It is what it is : -)

I am still astonished with this camera, a game changer not only but also because of the ease of use for sure. Let alone IQ. Impossible to ignore : ) Is there 50x of price difference?

C'mon, I follow your point but... WTH it is BMD! What's your skepticism on them? Why that?

Well, to be a PRO means to earn for a living from an activity as main or secondary ones. There are different crafts within the same industry, several market segments and distinct level of players in this business, obviously, beyond an identical playground. Without mention when jacks-of-all-trades but Master of None... : D E : -)

Yes, you can easily (@webrunner5 ; ) provide your look in-camera. This is not pointless. This doesn't mean you're unable of the same anywhere else, just a different level, reason why this camera is pretty unique of a kind. @loloniek Have you identified @1000 ISO you're going better than with 1250 actually?

People can misunderstand a LOL, no? Hey @BenEricson too, isn't it? Not that a forum post is important. I've always disliked final judgements, you know why? Because who pronounces them gives to the world a sad idea about them. On both. Prejudgements, bad judgements, misconceptions and alike, as well, who is entitled to have them. That LOL is for those who think who had the hint and failed to get it. We are all entitled to have opinion, the point is when reality pops up as a bitch to theirs. When we think we know anything, we can end to be surprised the one we think is the one is actually the other one. In short, it doesn't surprise me this Canon's or any other device may happen to be more cinematic than some mainstream. What does it mean? Next time you shoot, wonder why someone is reacting in a certain way or at least ask, before you think you have the clue the target is. "That which we persist in doing becomes easier for us to do -- not that the nature of the thing is changed, but that our power to do is increased." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson : -)

LOL

Same here : -)

There is a gimbal manufacturer I can't disclose any details for now because of some negotiations to run at this moment. It is able to mount the motor either on left or right for best use along the P4K. 1.2kgs is also one of the lightest gimbals you can find within the 3-4kgs range for payload. Without mention a most affordable price target to match the deal. Anyone interested for further information please feel free to reach me via PM. E : -) 

PotPlayer. OK, not from a blow up : ) So, I've just checked you have a better H.264 outcome there. This doesn't mean you'll be able to reproduce every situation under different shooting circumstances. As you fairly inferred before, let alone motion to see some H.264 to easily break. This means you're unable to use it for family videos or even professionally?! Sure not, this delivery pattern is the mainstream acquisition standard so far. For some reason a operator is mandatory. A camera doesn't shoot per se, no matter how good auto-this auto-that AF included is : D You'll properly set up your tools accordingly the needs. The whole point I stand is: ProRes Proxy is not unusable and can be better than H.264 as we've already seen samples about. Does this mean it will happen all the course? I'd conclude not all the time. You've already added something useful to the debate. I just don't buy that "pretty terrible" remark from yours. Pretty inaccurate to my book to say the least : ) Unfortunately, all my PXY files are private related. I'd obviously tend to avoid it for narrative and documentary stuff for exhibition as my main playground. Never had my doubts on it. 4K follows the task force. Other than that, PXY 1080p will suffice the family job. Nice to discuss it with you in a civil manner BTW, not possible everyday currently as much as ProRes Proxy files to serve as analogy LOL (E : -)

So, you end to confirm H.264 is more prone to introduce chroma artifacts at the end user than ProRes Proxy after all? LOL ; ) I am not kidding about ProRes Proxy at all. Some video capture tasks don't demand for higher than such either professionally or for home videos. Proxy title has nothing to do with the use of proxies, don't compare different stuff, we're not speaking about the same : ) Where's your fairness on that sample you posted now? You will tell me resolution doesn't play a part when you blow up your outcome?! : D Where's the H.264 sample to compare with? Why not some motion tests to stress the H.264 codec and what about to compare with a ProRes PXY file then? ; -) I'd formally say you can add artifacts of any codec out there taking it beyond its own limits. So, we can variably turn any valuable codec in shitty macroblocking as we push it further longer proper usage for. Here you have half-dozen arguments to stand everything already said earlier. Don't rule anything out based on misconceived ideas. Unusable terrifying remarks on ProRes Proxy are anything but pretty much inaccurate. As simple as that. In more than 30 years from a personal note BTW, my family videos never looked so cinematic from PXY files. Not even when I was used to shoot them in Super 8mm film. Today, I have no even need to go higher than 1080p, go figure! E : -)

Thanks for your test : ) Actually I find them much indistinguishable at first sight as much as in the 2nd test I've posted, apart the greenish tint you also find along the 1st test up there going with the H.264. Match my own finds BTW when seems pretty clear to me H.264 4:2:0 is more prone to chroma artifacts than a superior container as ProRes 4:2:2 Proxy really is at equivalent bitrate. Less professional-like look that's what you intend for your home videos? If so, fits the class ; ) When we crop, I find your ProRes Proxy sample slightly softer but in the same way I much prefer DJI M2P to P4P outcome : -) Here are three crops from your triple samples -- ProRes Proxy is the 3rd and 6th of the series: In conclusion, for family and certain professional usage, ProRes Proxy looks like very able to handle. As you fairly pointed out, let alone H.264 to more easier break when motion is involved. Let's not forget H.264 was designed for delivery, not acquisition. Speaking of devil, what setup used for this test?

For our own sake! The fanboyism over this forum has reached some records, lately... : -D

It depends on the job, of course. Not for post work for sure, but events as for instance? It fits the cup if low light, movement and grading are not demanding. For casual use like home videos then matches it perfectly. As much as H.264 if not better from my own experience. Much better in that test up there.